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How do you view Feminism in Ireland?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,853 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    tigger123 wrote: »
    Gender equality and feminism go hand in hand. And its one of many aspects of feminism that I agree with.

    Feminism =\= man hate.

    What megaphone? Twitter?

    basic question but does "equality" mean gender blind? equality in the egalitarian sense? equality of outcome?

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭Middle Man


    Poll Update: Wed 30th Aug 2017 @ 23:00

    How do you perceive Feminism in Ireland? (Total votes: 46)

    19.57% (9 votes) - Promotion of female supremacy;

    34.78% (16 votes) - Misandristic + Disregard for men;

    15.22% (7 votes) - Exclusive and somewhat misandristic;

    10.87% (5 votes) - Female-centric, but somewhat inclusive;

    19.57% (9 votes) - Inclusive, fair and balanced.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭Middle Man


    There will be another poll update tonight so keep the votes coming. A clear voting pattern is emerging, but I don't want to speculate on the results until I'm fairly sure that most people here who intend to vote have actually done so...

    Regards,
    Middle Man


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭Middle Man


    Poll Update: Thur 31st Aug 2017 @ 23:00

    How do you perceive Feminism in Ireland? (Total votes: 58 (+12))

    15.52% (9 votes (=)) - Promotion of female supremacy;

    36.21% (21 votes (+5)) - Misandristic + Disregard for men;

    18.97% (11 votes (+4)) - Exclusive and somewhat misandristic;

    13.79% (8 votes (+3)) - Female-centric, but somewhat inclusive;

    15.52% (9 votes (=)) - Inclusive, fair and balanced.


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,566 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    As far as I can tell, in order to be a feminist, as opposed to an advocate of women's rights (or civil and human rights, as they used to be called), you need to believe that there is a ruling class or patriarchy that is oppressing women and everything bad comes from them.

    Thus, feminists are not content with establishing legal and social rights, they want to fundamentally alter culture, some of them like Julie Bindel want to abolish heterosexuality, and others want to create a world where there is no such thing as gender any more.

    Gender is a presumed construct of the supposed patriarchy, therefore it must be stopped. There is no time to check whether scientific data actually demonstrates biological and physiological differences between male and female humans
    it does
    .


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,107 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    I don't have an issue with it. It's never been something that's bothered me one bit.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭Middle Man


    Arghus wrote: »
    I don't have an issue with it. It's never been something that's bothered me one bit.
    I'm thinking of creating a separate poll regarding the relevance of the feminism issue to individual men by way of belief or experience - I do admit that I left out a very important option in my last poll - 'No Opinion / Don't Know'. I hope that a secondary poll (separate thread) will rectify the problem - it might be posted along with tonight's update.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭Middle Man


    A new secondary poll to address the aforementioned issues is now live:

    How relevant to you is the controversy over feminism?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭Middle Man


    Poll Update: Fri 1st Sep 2017 @ 23:00

    How do you perceive Feminism in Ireland? (Total votes: 78 (+20))

    14.10% (11 votes (+2)) - Promotion of female supremacy;

    39.74% (31 votes (+10)) - Misandristic + Disregard for men;

    16.67% (13 votes (+2)) - Exclusive and somewhat misandristic;

    14.10% (11 votes (+3)) - Female-centric, but somewhat inclusive;

    15.38% (12 votes (+3)) - Inclusive, fair and balanced.


    Regarding the secondary poll ‘How relevant to you is the controversy over feminism?’, two of the options therein will be included for the final calculations of this poll after both polls conclude:

    2 votes (new) - Neither concerned nor interested - has no real effect on me;

    0 votes (new) - Not Sure.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,971 ✭✭✭iptba


    Middle Man wrote: »
    Poll Update: Fri 1st Sep 2017 @ 23:00

    How do you perceive Feminism in Ireland? (Total votes: 78 (+20))

    14.10% (11 votes (+2)) - Promotion of female supremacy;

    39.74% (31 votes (+10)) - Misandristic + Disregard for men;

    16.67% (13 votes (+2)) - Exclusive and somewhat misandristic;

    14.10% (11 votes (+3)) - Female-centric, but somewhat inclusive;

    15.38% (12 votes (+3)) - Inclusive, fair and balanced.


    Regarding the secondary poll ‘How relevant to you is the controversy over feminism?’, two of the options therein will be included for the final calculations of this poll after both polls conclude:

    2 votes (new) - Neither concerned nor interested - has no real effect on me;

    0 votes (new) - Not Sure.

    Just to point out that I didn't vote in this poll but did vote for one of the options in the other poll that wasn't options 5 or 6. There might be others like me.
    1. Very concerned as I've been intimately affected (bad relationship etc.)
    2. Quite concerned as I've been affected somewhat (in family, public etc.)
    3. Not greatly affected but concerned for the future (for me and others)
    4. Not very concerned, but nonetheless interested (curiosity/research etc.)
    5. Neither concerned nor interested - has no real effect on me
    6. Not sure


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭Middle Man


    iptba wrote: »
    Just to point out that I didn't vote in this poll but did vote for one of the options in the other poll that wasn't options 5 or 6. There might be others like me.
    Ok, I'll take note of that.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭Middle Man


    Poll Update: Sat 2nd Sep 2017 @ 23:00

    How do you perceive Feminism in Ireland? (Total votes: 82 (+4))

    13.41% (11 votes (=)) - Promotion of female supremacy;

    39.02% (32 votes (+1)) - Misandristic + Disregard for men;

    15.85% (13 votes (=)) - Exclusive and somewhat misandristic;

    17.07% (14 votes (+3)) - Female-centric, but somewhat inclusive;

    14.63% (12 votes (=)) - Inclusive, fair and balanced.


    Regarding the secondary poll ‘How relevant to you is the controversy over feminism?’, two of the options therein will be included for the final calculations of this poll after both polls conclude:

    2 votes (=) - Neither concerned nor interested - has no real effect on me;

    0 votes (=) - Not sure.

    Note: At least one person has voted on the secondary poll, but not this one - there has been feedback from a couple of users relating to the complexity of the options and how it mightn’t fit all opinions - this I have noted and will consider in future polls. If anyone else would like to make observations regarding this poll, please feel free.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭Middle Man


    Poll Update: Sun 3rd Sep 2017 @ 23:00

    How do you perceive Feminism in Ireland? (Total votes: 88 (+6))

    12.50% (11 votes (=)) - Promotion of female supremacy;

    38.64% (34 votes (+2)) - Misandristic + Disregard for men;

    15.91% (14 votes (+1)) - Exclusive and somewhat misandristic;

    17.05% (15 votes (+1)) - Female-centric, but somewhat inclusive;

    15.91% (14 votes (+2)) - Inclusive, fair and balanced.


    Regarding the secondary poll ‘How relevant to you is the controversy over feminism?’, two of the options therein will be included for the final calculations of this poll after both polls conclude:

    13 votes (+11) - Neither concerned nor interested - has no real effect on me;

    0 votes (=) - Not sure.

    Note: At least one person has voted on the secondary poll, but not this one - there has been feedback from a couple of users relating to the complexity of the options and how it mightn’t fit all opinions - this I have noted and will consider in future polls. If anyone else would like to make observations regarding the poll, please feel free.

    Due to the surge of interest in the secondary poll, the results for all the options therein are published as follows:

    How relevant to you is the controversy over feminism? (Total votes: 31 (new))

    6.45% (2 votes (new)) - Very concerned as I’ve been intimately affected (bad relationship etc.);

    25.81% (8 votes (new)) - Quite concerned as I’ve been affected somewhat (in family, public etc.);

    19.35% (6 votes (new)) - Not greatly affected, but concerned for the future (for me and others);

    6.45% (2 votes (new)) - Not very concerned, but nonetheless interested (curiosity/research etc.);

    41.94% (13 votes (+11)) - Neither concerned nor interested - has no real effect on me;

    0.00% (0 votes (=)) - Not sure.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 82 ✭✭MickDoyle1979


    Feminism has no raison d'etre except in countries especially in the Mid East where women are treated as Western women once were in medieval Europe.

    There are no barriers to women in the West. None

    Radical feminists today are mostly fanatical misandrists - psychologically damaged types who are jealous of beauty because they are overlooked in the dating game.

    Being morbidly overweight having blue hair glasses and tattoos and wearing bag like clothes means that the macho confident fit men with lantern jaws six packs and perfect bums will never be theirs.

    This is why they invented rape culture and fat shaming and other nonsense to attack healthy heterosexuality. Beauties like Taylor Swift are attacked for having a perfection angry hateful misfits will never reach. Men like Leonardo Di Caprio who have looks wealth and all the beautiful women they desire are "toxic."

    Male feminists are generally geeks and dorks who were never good at sports and were unapologetically rejected by attractive women.
    They therefore want to sneak their way into the pants of blue haired harpies because nobody else will have them.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭Middle Man


    A reminder regarding the purpose of this poll - below is the original post:

    How do men here view feminism in Ireland? I'm posting a poll on this subject, because it's clear that there are significant differences across the forum regarding the perception of feminism and misandry. I think that running an opinion poll would be a useful exercise for all so that each of us are aware of where things stand at this point in time. I have my own view, but for this thread I will just submit my answer and see how things proceed.

    PS. Feminism as in what's promoted through organisations and the media etc.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭Middle Man


    Poll Update: Mon 4th Sep 2017 @ 23:00

    How do you perceive Feminism in Ireland? (Total votes: 93 (+5))

    11.83% (11 votes (=)) - Promotion of female supremacy;

    38.71% (36 votes (+2)) - Misandristic + Disregard for men;

    16.13% (15 votes (+1)) - Exclusive and somewhat misandristic;

    16.13% (15 votes (=)) - Female-centric, but somewhat inclusive;

    17.20% (16 votes (+2)) - Inclusive, fair and balanced.


    Regarding the secondary poll ‘How relevant to you is the controversy over feminism?’, two of the options therein will be included for the final calculations of this poll after both polls conclude:

    21 votes (+8) - Neither concerned nor interested - has no real effect on me;

    0 votes (=) - Not sure.

    Note: At least one person has voted on the secondary poll, but not this one - there has been feedback from a couple of users relating to the complexity of the options and how it mightn’t fit all opinions - this I have noted and will consider in future polls. If anyone else would like to make constructive observations regarding the poll, please feel free. Due to the surge of interest in the secondary poll, the results for all the options therein are published as follows:

    How relevant to you is the controversy over feminism? (Total votes: 43 (+12))

    4.65% (2 votes (=)) - Very concerned as I’ve been intimately affected (bad relationship etc.);

    18.60% (8 votes (=)) - Quite concerned as I’ve been affected somewhat (in family, public etc.);

    20.93% (9 votes (+3)) - Not greatly affected, but concerned for the future (for me and others);

    6.98% (3 votes (+1)) - Not very concerned, but nonetheless interested (curiosity/research etc.);

    48.84% (21 votes (+8)) - Neither concerned nor interested - has no real effect on me;

    0.00% (0 votes (=)) - Not sure.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭Middle Man


    Poll Update: Tue 5th Sep 2017 @ 23:00

    How do you perceive Feminism in Ireland? (Total votes: 95 (+2))

    12.63% (12 votes (+1)) - Promotion of female supremacy;

    37.89% (36 votes (=)) - Misandristic + Disregard for men;

    16.84% (16 votes (+1)) - Exclusive and somewhat misandristic;

    15.79% (15 votes (=)) - Female-centric, but somewhat inclusive;

    16.84% (16 votes (=)) - Inclusive, fair and balanced.


    Regarding the secondary poll ‘How relevant to you is the controversy over feminism?’, two of the options therein will be included for the final calculations of this poll after both polls conclude:

    29 votes (+8) - Neither concerned nor interested - has no real effect on me;

    0 votes (=) - Not sure.

    Note: At least one person has voted on the secondary poll, but not this one - there has been feedback from a couple of users relating to the complexity of the options and how it mightn’t fit all opinions - this I have noted and will consider in future polls. If anyone else would like to make observations regarding the poll, please feel free. Due to the surge of interest in the secondary poll, the results for all the options therein are published as follows:

    How relevant to you is the controversy over feminism? (Total votes: 60 (+17))

    5.00% (3 votes (+1)) - Very concerned as I’ve been intimately affected (bad relationship etc.);

    13.33% (8 votes (=)) - Quite concerned as I’ve been affected somewhat (in family, public etc.);

    23.33% (14 votes (+5)) - Not greatly affected, but concerned for the future (for me and others);

    10.00% (6 votes (+3)) - Not very concerned, but nonetheless interested (curiosity/research etc.);

    48.33% (29 votes (+8)) - Neither concerned nor interested - has no real effect on me;

    0.00% (0 votes (=)) - Not sure.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,971 ✭✭✭iptba


    Thanks for the updates. I don't think you should feel the need to post daily updates now after both polls have been going a few days but suit yourself.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭Middle Man


    iptba wrote: »
    Thanks for the updates. I don't think you should feel the need to post daily updates now after both polls have been going a few days but suit yourself.
    I'll probably post one more update tomorrow night (this poll is going for one week now) and then reduce down to perhaps one per week.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,877 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    Why not simply make the results visible? Or are you just trying to boost your postcount / keep bumping this thread?


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭Middle Man


    Sleepy wrote: »
    Why not simply make the results visible? Or are you just trying to boost your postcount / keep bumping this thread?
    The results are not visible because I selected an option which I misinterpreted - it has been a while since I conducted a poll and I find the setup very restrictive. There will be one update tonight and such will be weekly (Wed) thereafter.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭Middle Man


    Poll Update: Wed 6th Sep 2017 @ 23:00

    How do you perceive Feminism in Ireland? (Total votes: 100 (+5))

    13.00% (13 votes (+1)) - Promotion of female supremacy;

    37.00% (37 votes (+1)) - Misandristic + Disregard for men;

    17.00% (17 votes (+1)) - Exclusive and somewhat misandristic;

    15.00% (15 votes (=)) - Female-centric, but somewhat inclusive;

    18.00% (18 votes (+2)) - Inclusive, fair and balanced.


    Regarding the secondary poll ‘How relevant to you is the controversy over feminism?’, two of the options therein will be included for the final calculations of this poll after both polls conclude:

    29 votes (=) - Neither concerned nor interested - has no real effect on me;

    0 votes (=) - Not sure.

    Note: At least one person has voted on the secondary poll, but not this one - there has been feedback from a couple of users relating to the complexity of the options and how it mightn’t fit all opinions - this I have noted and will consider in future polls. If anyone else would like to make constructive observations regarding the poll, please feel free. Due to the surge of interest in the secondary poll, the results for all the options therein are published as follows:

    How relevant to you is the controversy over feminism? (Total votes: 62 (+2))

    4.84% (3 votes (=)) - Very concerned as I’ve been intimately affected (bad relationship etc.);

    12.90% (8 votes (=)) - Quite concerned as I’ve been affected somewhat (in family, public etc.);

    24.19% (15 votes (+1)) - Not greatly affected, but concerned for the future (for me and others);

    11.29% (7 votes (+1)) - Not very concerned, but nonetheless interested (curiosity/research etc.);

    46.77% (29 votes (=)) - Neither concerned nor interested - has no real effect on me;

    0.00% (0 votes (=)) - Not sure.


    Note: The next poll update will be Wednesday 13th Sept…


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,845 ✭✭✭py2006


    Male feminists are generally geeks and dorks who were never good at sports and were unapologetically rejected by attractive women.
    They therefore want to sneak their way into the pants of blue haired harpies because nobody else will have them.

    Jeepers, thats a bit much now. I would probably tick one or two of those boxes but i sure as HELL am not a male feminist.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,647 ✭✭✭lazybones32


    I see feminism in Ireland as a dangerous ideology and movement.
    Those driving the lobby want money and power as far as i can make out. And they are getting it.

    Feminism has never been about Rights. Many women might call themselves feminist but nearly every woman will have a different definition of what her feminism means, and will reject a sizeable portion of the other aspects of feminism.

    It is bad for the adherent and bad for those on the receiving end of its reforms.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,853 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    py2006 wrote: »
    Jeepers, thats a bit much now. I would probably tick one or two of those boxes but i sure as HELL am not a male feminist.

    its more an attitude, the stereotype is that male feminists are males that cant compete with other men at any level so have little chance of getting laid so they schneak their way into feminists circles as an "ally" . They then join the feminist in trying to take down the men that out compete them.
    If you are a man that knows he has to compete in life and you expect you will slot yourself in somewhere based on hard work and what not then feminism wont appeal to you

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,711 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    silverharp wrote:
    its more an attitude, the stereotype is that male feminists are males that cant compete with other men at any level so have little chance of getting laid so they schneak their way into feminists circles as an "ally" . They then join the feminist in trying to take down the men that out compete them. If you are a man that knows he has to compete in life and you expect you will slot yourself in somewhere based on hard work and what not then feminism wont appeal to you

    Lol. Is that based on anything except your own personal prejudice?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,647 ✭✭✭lazybones32


    silverharp wrote: »
    its more an attitude, the stereotype is that male feminists are males that cant compete with other men at any level so have little chance of getting laid so they schneak their way into feminists circles as an "ally" . They then join the feminist in trying to take down the men that out compete them.
    If you are a man that knows he has to compete in life and you expect you will slot yourself in somewhere based on hard work and what not then feminism wont appeal to you

    That behaviour isn't the reserve of male feminists; guys in the friendzone will try and scupper any other male who comes into contact with his "friend".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,711 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    That behaviour isn't the reserve of male feminists; guys in the friendzone will try and scupper any other male who comes into contact with his "friend".

    It's a random collection of what the poster sees as undesirable characteristics. I don't know any lads who talks about being a feminist because I can't imagine it would ever even come up in the real world. I'd bet silverharp and Mickdoyle don't know any feminists either and I'd bet the farm that they don't know enough to make any kind of generalisations about them. It's just the kind of meaningless guff fantasy that all too often passes as fact. Good to see some posters thought to question that kind of assertion.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭Middle Man


    Poll Update: Wed 13th Sep 2017 @ 23:00

    How do you perceive Feminism in Ireland? (Total votes: 116 (+16))

    12.07% (14 votes (+1)) - Promotion of female supremacy;

    37.93% (44 votes (+7)) - Misandristic + Disregard for men;

    17.24% (20 votes (+3)) - Exclusive and somewhat misandristic;

    16.38% (19 votes (+4)) - Female-centric, but somewhat inclusive;

    16.38% (19 votes (+1)) - Inclusive, fair and balanced.


    Regarding the secondary poll ‘How relevant to you is the controversy over feminism?’, two of the options therein will be included for the final calculations of this poll after both polls conclude:

    32 votes (+3) - Neither concerned nor interested - has no real effect on me;

    2 votes (+2) - Not sure.

    Note: At least one person has voted on the secondary poll, but not this one - there has been feedback from a couple of users relating to the complexity of the options and how it mightn’t fit all opinions - this I have noted and will consider in future polls. If anyone else would like to make observations regarding the poll, please feel free. Due to the surge of interest in the secondary poll, the results for all the options therein are published as follows:

    How relevant to you is the controversy over feminism? (Total votes: 74 (+12))

    4.05% (3 votes (=)) - Very concerned as I’ve been intimately affected (bad relationship etc.);

    13.51% (10 votes (+2)) - Quite concerned as I’ve been affected somewhat (in family, public etc.);

    21.62% (16 votes (+1)) - Not greatly affected, but concerned for the future (for me and others);

    14.86% (11 votes (+4)) - Not very concerned, but nonetheless interested (curiosity/research etc.);

    43.24% (32 votes (+3)) - Neither concerned nor interested - has no real effect on me;

    2.70% (2 votes (+2)) - Not sure.


    Note: The next poll update will be Wednesday 20th Sept…


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  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,566 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    Lol. Is that based on anything except your own personal prejudice?

    There are lots of articles on it, usually from female feminists:

    http://www.thecrimson.com/column/femme-fatale/article/2017/3/23/hu-beware-male-feminist/

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/lorynbrantz/17-of-the-worst-types-of-male-feminists?utm_term=.tymQPzR3dM#.ohynKPj9vk

    https://everydayfeminism.com/2016/08/reasons-to-beware-feminist-men/

    http://splinternews.com/meet-the-woke-misogynist-1793859082

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/snl-womens-march-pick-up-line_us_58bbb968e4b0d2821b4eafdc

    https://thoughtcatalog.com/christine-stockton/2015/08/thingsfeministmenhavesaidtome-and-the-problem-with-allies/

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/oct/19/why-i-wont-date-another-male-feminist

    These are all garnered from a google search of "male feminist" and "the problem with male feminists". In relation to the former, it was hard to find a positive result praising or encouraging male feminists. In relation to the latter search, there were a number of other articles about different problems with male feminists, but the narrative that they are only doing it to try to get laid seems to be the most common recurring theme.

    Maybe my google searches are geared to give me those results, but it seems like there is a common theme that male feminists are a joke and are only doing it to curry favour with female feminists.


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