Season 7 Episode 5 "Eastwatch" - "Non book readers"

Nody · 11-08-2017 10:26PM #1

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castletownman · 14-08-2017 02:13AM

So long Dermot O'Leary

Hulk Hands · 14-08-2017 03:13AM

The whole big Arya arc is to slowly make her as annoying as littlefinger

ciarriaithuaidh · 14-08-2017 03:15AM

Struggling to absorb all that (not the first time) but I think GOT may finally have jumped the shark a bit. Hope I'm wrong.

Daenerys has the power to destroy Cersei but instead agrees to send her Hand on a possible suicide mission to convince Cersei (via Jaime) to agree to a truce if Jon Snow brings back a live "wight" which is a case of another massively high-risk maneouvre. And Gendry goes from - "who the **** knows or cares where he is" - to Smith again, to friend, ally and sidekick of Jon Snow in roughly 5 minutes??

Maybe I'm just suffering from late night crankiness on my part, will see what develops. Littlefinger has been an annoying character a bit, but at least we know matters are coming to a head there in episode 6 I imagine!

Jayop · 14-08-2017 03:18AM

What was on the note that Arya found?

J. Marston · 14-08-2017 03:20AM

I've been one of the biggest defenders of the fast travel but I think there was a little too much in that episode. Pace needs to pick up since we're approaching the end but there is such a thing as going too fast.

Tyrion, for instance, went from the Reach to Dragonstone to King's Landing and back to Dragonstone in that episode.

EagererBeaver · 14-08-2017 03:25AM

Jayop wrote: »

What was on the note that Arya found?

It was the note Cersei forced Sansa to write in begging Robb to swear allegiance to Joffrey

Mr Crispy · 14-08-2017 03:27AM

The lads setting off north at the end of the episode should have been very cool, but it came out of nowhere, with all the players conveniently converging with no real build up. Starting to feel very rushed, although maybe I'm just comparing to the ponderous pace of some of the earlier seasons.

Also thought Bronn and Jaime's escape at the start was a real anti-climax... It was a great cliffhanger last week, but with no real payoff.

Disappointed to see the Tarlys go up in shmoke, as I hoped Sam would one day get the chance to prove himself to the oul lad.

J. Marston · 14-08-2017 03:38AM

Littlefinger think he has it all figured out but I'm hoping Arya catches him with the double bluff.

Arya and Sansa may not get on but I think it'd be stupid if Arya actually believes Sansa betrayed her family willingly.

TITANIUM. · 14-08-2017 03:43AM

I hope Sansa gets it soon. She's really easy to hate.
Actually all the female characters are getting on my nerves lately. Big episode in store next week.

J. Marston · 14-08-2017 03:48AM

TITANIUM. wrote: »

I hope Sansa gets it soon. She's really easy to hate.
Actually all the female characters are getting on my nerves lately. Big episode in store next week.

Really? I think she's been great this season.

Arya was a tool in this episode.

TITANIUM. · 14-08-2017 03:57AM

J. Marston wrote: »

Really? I think she's been great this season.

Arya was a tool in this episode.

Ya she's annoying me as well. Littlefingers going to play her for a fool anyway. Until he gets it of course.

Sansa has always pissed me off. And seeing her power hungry antics every episode is making it worse. Always so quick to push JS to the side. Bring back Ramsey to teach her a lesson or 2.

wp_rathead · 14-08-2017 03:58AM

Ayra came across as a child in this episode (I know she still is)
Telling Sansa she should have killed everyone who talked ill of Jon
Even way she stalked Littlefinger like she did with the cat in Season 1

This is the origin of the letter Littlefinger planted for her:

wp_rathead · 14-08-2017 03:59AM

TITANIUM. wrote: »

Bring back Ramsey to teach her a lesson or 2.

That's just fcuked up lad

TITANIUM. · 14-08-2017 04:04AM

wp_rathead wrote: »

That's just fcuked up lad

Maybe a Bit. But this is GOT after all.
I can't believe more people don't find her as annoying as me. Yes she's had s hard time of it but she's not really necessary anymore. Time to kill her off.

J. Marston · 14-08-2017 04:09AM

I think Sansa will surprise everyone, she won't be betray Jon.

EagererBeaver · 14-08-2017 04:10AM

J. Marston wrote: »

I think Sansa will surprise everyone, she won't be betray Jon.

I agree, she won't betray him.

She might very well **** things up though.

Mr Crispy · 14-08-2017 07:38AM

TITANIUM. wrote: »

Maybe a Bit. But this is GOT after all.
I can't believe more people don't find her as annoying as me. Yes she's had s hard time of it but she's not really necessary anymore. Time to kill her off.

People may well find her annoying, but it doesn't mean they want to see the character raped and tortured again.

Varik · 14-08-2017 07:48AM

So firmly in the hope daenerys get's her head mounted on a spike camp now.

NuMarvel · 14-08-2017 08:42AM

Rahaegar did WHAT?? :eek:

EagererBeaver · 14-08-2017 08:46AM

NuMarvel wrote: »

Rahaegar did WHAT?? :eek:

Raggar*

NinjaTruncs · 14-08-2017 08:46AM

NuMarvel wrote: »

Rahaegar did WHAT?? :eek:

No more Jon Snow I guess.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero · 14-08-2017 08:59AM

Jon, Thoros, Bedric, Sandor Clegane, Tormund, Gendry and Jorah - now that would be some group to follow over the course of a few episodes, unfortunately we're only likely to see them for about 7 seconds together before they teleport back to King's Landing.

NuMarvel · 14-08-2017 09:05AM

So, the pregnancy. Real, or a lie to keep Jaime in line?

Vicxas · 14-08-2017 09:14AM

2 questions.

Rhaegar did what!?

And what was on the note Arya found?

DM_7 · 14-08-2017 09:25AM

Good episode with lots furthered and set up. A huge amount really in the episode.

Gendry returning as a bad ass, hammer wielding bastard was a surprise.

For the first time though, I think it is a pity to see so many stories coming together so fast. While I am liking them I find myself wanting more. The speed also takes away from how good the moments could be.

It would be great to see a slower story of Arya and Littlefinger spying on each other and setting each other up rather than 3 minutes.

Sansa and the north families possibly turning on Jon could be happening in snippets over a few episodes.

Jon meeting the dragon could have happened on a hill with Dany seeing it from a distance rather than the way it happened. It was just weird having her fly the dragon into his face.

Gendry returning is good but could they not have had him in a couple of episodes before going north? It was interesting to see them bond over their fathers yet they were actually enemies yet they would both be dead if the previous kings had their way.

The brotherhood mixing with wildings or a night of booze and stories with the rest of Jons crew before going north?

How about some build up of relationship between Jorah and Jon?

Lack of a Bronn and Tyrion scene on his way out of the city was another moment I wanted to see.

jooksavage · 14-08-2017 09:25AM

Hulk Hands wrote: »

The whole big Arya arc is to slowly make her as annoying as littlefinger

Arya used to be great as the plucky, insolent kid. It worked especially well when paired with Tywin and the Hound. This season she's become an unbearable asshole. Every line Maisie Williams has delivered so far is just dripping with smugness. Not sure if this is the fault of the actress or the direction but it's the only real bummer in an otherwise excellent season.

NuMarvel · 14-08-2017 09:30AM

Vicxas wrote: »

Rhaegar did what!?

I know!!

Vicxas wrote: »

And what was on the note Arya found?

It was the scroll Cersei forced Sansa to send to Robb back in Season 1, asking him to bend the knee to Joffrey after Ned was arrested. Basically, Littlefinger planted it to rise Arya's suspicions of Sansa's intentions.

NuMarvel · 14-08-2017 09:38AM

DM_7 wrote: »

Jon meeting the dragon could have happened on a hill with Dany seeing it from a distance rather than the way it happened. It was just weird having her fly the dragon into his face.

It wouldn't have been out of character for her, especially at that point, to try and intimidate Jon into reconsidering bending the knee. She'd just had her first big win thanks to the dragon, so I wouldn't put it past her to use Drogon to remind Jon that he can claim to be the King in the North all he wants, but she wants to be Queen of all of Westeros and she's got dragons.

CiarraiAbu2 · 14-08-2017 09:40AM

No family get together between Jon, Bran and Ayra. The army of the dead must be the slowest moving thing around compared with everyone one else been able to jump from place to place in minutes.

It's been moving for seven series and still hasn't reached the wall.

CMOTDibbler · 14-08-2017 09:48AM

Varik wrote: »

So firmly in the hope daenerys get's her head mounted on a spike camp now.

I don't understand this viewpoint. Jon beheaded Janos Slynt for refusing an order and hanged a child for 'murder'. Dany executes a treasonous lord who refused to submit or take the black and she's the bad guy?

Season 7 Episode 5 "Eastwatch" - "Non book readers"

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