Summer transfer thread 17/18 season (NEYMAR TALK IN OTHER THREAD)

Muff_Daddy · 02-08-2017 11:21PM

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

My thoughts exactly. If he wants to be seen as better than Messi make it happen at Barcelona. The reason he hasnt stepped out of Messi's shadow is because he hasnt played well enough. He is taking the easy option going to PSG and getting a load of money.

He could still prove himself to be better than Messi at PSG

MisterAnarchy · 02-08-2017 11:39PM

blueser wrote: »

You ARE aware that other clubs have spent big money in this window, not just City, yeah?

I'm guessing that you are a City fan ?
I listed 2 players, I could have listed 20 ,the market is crazy ,I wasn't targeting City ,but they are 2 of the worst deals.
City have now signed 3 of the 4 most expensive defenders ,5 of the 10 most expensive defenders of all time.

Peps record on buying players is pretty poor ,especially defenders,he bought some right donkeys at Barcelona .

thebaz · 03-08-2017 12:03AM

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

So if a league of ireland player gets signed by barca for 200k a week you'd be like nah **** that guy, I could relate to him last week but **** him now?

I wouldn't say **** him , but have zero interest in Neymar and his over-inflated value - and its 865,000 euros a week - if you guys are happy with that and supporting that - I really have grown away from boards along with Super rich Champions league football . Enjoy

Ivefoundgod · 03-08-2017 12:06AM

Headshot wrote: »

Unfortunately your just going off a season, im referring to the stature in the game itself, the history that Barca holds compared to PSG.

PSG will never have that kind of stature, soon their owners will get bored where as Barca will always be Barca fighting for CL's

Don't know how anyone could say its a side ways step, your leaving a giant of the game for PSG, come on like

Theres a huge amount of revisionism going on here. Barca have only recently become regular contenders for the CL, they had extremely bleak periods during the 90s and only really came back to prominence with Rijkards team in 2006 and then with Messi, Xavi, Iniesta etc. who were once in a lifetime talents. Absolutely no doubt Barca have a more storied history than PSG but lets not lose the run of ourselves here, Barca go through down periods like any other team and there are more prestigious and storied teams in Europe than them IMO, AC Milan and Real the obvious ones but i think a large part of that depends on the individuals age.

KERSPLAT! · 03-08-2017 12:07AM

thebaz wrote: »

I wouldn't say **** him , but have zero interest in Neymar and his over-inflated value - and its 865,000 euros a week - if you guys are happy with that and supporting that - I really have grown away from boards along with Super rich Champions league football . Enjoy

What's odds does it make to you whether they earn 20k a week or 800k a week, you aren't paying it. Watch it or don't.

thebaz · 03-08-2017 12:14AM

KERSPLAT! wrote: »

What's odds does it make to you whether they earn 20k a week or 800k a week, you aren't paying it. Watch it or don't.

if you enjoy watching players on 800k a week - you enjoy it - hate seen the game I loved ruined at the top level - thats my ****in problem with it.

eagle eye · 03-08-2017 12:20AM

This thing about Barca being such a big clubs with deep rich history is something new enough. Real have had history for a long time due to all those European Cup wins many years ago. Bayern did the three in a row in the early seventies but Barcelona only got this big club status to the extent it's been at for the last eight or so years because of the longevity and consistency of that homegrown team under Guardiola. They sold it very well, got people interested in their youth academy and then there was the fact that they didn't have a sponsor on their jersey which people loved too.

I remember when PSG were challenging for Champion' league honours with George Weah leading them. There was no sign of Barcelona back then, they were just an average club in Europe most of the time. They won the European Cup back in the early nineties and the next time they won it was under Rijkaard. They won the cup winner's cup a few times but that wasn't so important really, less important than the Europa league is today because there was also the Uefa Cup.

This myth that Barcelona have some great long standing history outside of the two team La Liga is nothing more than just bluster. Their recent history is littered with titles and fair play ot them because they sold it well but it'll be no surprise if they fade away as a European football power in the near future. There is so much money in the game now and so many rich owners that the power can shift and it will and we are seeing this right now.

Look at Milan and what happened to them. They were the Barcelona of the late 80's and early 90's but they fell away. They will be back now with all the money they have and nobody will bat an eyelid but because PSG haven't won a European Cup people are up in arms and complaining about it.

Ivefoundgod · 03-08-2017 12:25AM

eagle eye wrote: »

This thing about Barca being such a big clubs with deep rich history is something new enough. Real have had history for a long time due to all those European Cup wins many years ago. Bayern did the three in a row in the early seventies but Barcelona only got this big club status to the extent it's been at for the last eight or so years because of the longevity and consistency of that homegrown team under Guardiola. They sold it very well, got people interested in their youth academy and then there was the fact that they didn't have a sponsor on their jersey which people loved too.

I remember when PSG were challenging for Champion' league honours with George Weah leading them. There was no sign of Barcelona back then, they were just an average club in Europe most of the time. They won the European Cup back in the early nineties and the next time they won it was under Rijkaard. They won the cup winner's cup a few times but that wasn't so important really, less important than the Europa league is today because there was also the Uefa Cup.

This myth that Barcelona have some great long standing history outside of the two team La Liga is nothing more than just bluster. Their recent history is littered with titles and fair play ot them because they sold it well but it'll be no surprise if they fade away as a European football power in the near future. There is so much money in the game now and so many rich owners that the power can shift and it will and we are seeing this right now.

Look at Milan and what happened to them. They were the Barcelona of the late 80's and early 90's but they fell away. They will be back now with all the money they have and nobody will bat an eyelid but because PSG haven't won a European Cup people are up in arms and complaining about it.

Couldn't agree more, as I said much less eloquently a few posts back. This whole Barca history thing is a modern invention beginning in 2006. They are in no way as big as other European clubs. Only thing I'd disagree on is that AC Milan had a few years in the wilderness but they are second only to Real in terms of European success and IMO would still be amongst the biggest clubs in Europe and consistently challenged in Europe since the 80s, ahead of Barca in terms of history if not in current stature.

ERG89 · 03-08-2017 12:32AM

eagle eye wrote:

Look at Milan and what happened to them. They were the Barcelona of the late 80's and early 90's but they fell away. They will be back now with all the money they have and nobody will bat an eyelid but because PSG haven't won a European Cup people are up in arms and complaining about it.

Milan were in 3 CL finals in 5 years from 2003-2007. Won 2 of them but yeah after the 90's they faded away into obscurity only to return now years later.....:rolleyes:

dfx- · 03-08-2017 02:47AM

eagle eye wrote: »

This thing about Barca being such a big clubs with deep rich history is something new enough. Real have had history for a long time due to all those European Cup wins many years ago. Bayern did the three in a row in the early seventies but Barcelona only got this big club status to the extent it's been at for the last eight or so years because of the longevity and consistency of that homegrown team under Guardiola. They sold it very well, got people interested in their youth academy and then there was the fact that they didn't have a sponsor on their jersey which people loved too.

I remember when PSG were challenging for Champion' league honours with George Weah leading them. There was no sign of Barcelona back then, they were just an average club in Europe most of the time. They won the European Cup back in the early nineties and the next time they won it was under Rijkaard. They won the cup winner's cup a few times but that wasn't so important really, less important than the Europa league is today because there was also the Uefa Cup.

This myth that Barcelona have some great long standing history outside of the two team La Liga is nothing more than just bluster. Their recent history is littered with titles and fair play ot them because they sold it well but it'll be no surprise if they fade away as a European football power in the near future. There is so much money in the game now and so many rich owners that the power can shift and it will and we are seeing this right now.

Look at Milan and what happened to them. They were the Barcelona of the late 80's and early 90's but they fell away. They will be back now with all the money they have and nobody will bat an eyelid but because PSG haven't won a European Cup people are up in arms and complaining about it.

The problem with the criticism of Barcelona within these narrow restrictions is who you're comparing them to. You have to restrict to European trophies, ignore the 27 years competing in the European Cup and three runners up places up to 94 and without recognising the players consistently attracted to playing for an average team in that period pre-Messi (Cruyff, Maradona, Lineker, Romario, Stoichkov, Figo, Rivaldo, Kluivert, Ronaldinho).

PSG have been insignificant in Europe and domestically from 1970 when they were founded up to 2012. The one trophy they did win is the one you're deriding in the Cup Winners Cup. There were several bigger and higher achieving French clubs in Marseille, Lyon and Monaco (arguably Nantes, Bordeaux and St Etienne too).

They just don't compare.

raze_them_all_ · 03-08-2017 03:19AM

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

He probably wins the Balon D'or as thats the way it works whether he deserves it or not. Thats not the point Im making though. He obviously doesnt back himself to become more important to Barca than Messi.

Or he nacls himself so much he thinks he can bring psg their first champs league without the team of barca around him

eagle eye · 03-08-2017 05:03AM

So you clearly missed the other part of my post where I brought up George Weah. PSG reached three European semifinals in a row while he was with them. Weah also won world player of the year and the Ballon d'Or.

Dirty Dingus McGee · 03-08-2017 05:42AM

PSG were only founded in 1970.

Barca had been in existence since 1899 and had appeared in a european cup final before PSG were founded.

Barca have always been a massive club and on a different level to PSG all throughout their history and no amount of revisionism on this thread changes that.

Still playing for PSG is in some ways can be more enticing precisely because of their comparative lack of history compared to Barcelona.No matter what he does at Barca he'll never be able to usurp Messi, he can become PSG's Messi with a champions league win and the icon of the only big club in one of europes great cities and help turn PSG into one of europes very elite clubs.

Although having said that it's probably money that is a the major factor in his decision but there aren't exactly other reasons why PSG wouldn't be an attractive prospect for Neymar.

ThunbergsAreGo · 03-08-2017 06:26AM

Do people that have a problem with the transfer just want no new big clubs?

There isn't a big club closed shop

PSG arguably had as much history as Chelsea or City from a European perspective until recently

raze_them_all_ · 03-08-2017 06:35AM

Psg are trying to be like barca real etc, making a dynasty in own league and going for champs. **** it they are on a timer to do it now. lets see howe it plays out

Dirty Dingus McGee · 03-08-2017 07:46AM

eagle eye wrote: »

This thing about Barca being such a big clubs with deep rich history is something new enough. Real have had history for a long time due to all those European Cup wins many years ago. Bayern did the three in a row in the early seventies but Barcelona only got this big club status to the extent it's been at for the last eight or so years because of the longevity and consistency of that homegrown team under Guardiola. They sold it very well, got people interested in their youth academy and then there was the fact that they didn't have a sponsor on their jersey which people loved too.

I remember when PSG were challenging for Champion' league honours with George Weah leading them. There was no sign of Barcelona back then, they were just an average club in Europe most of the time. They won the European Cup back in the early nineties and the next time they won it was under Rijkaard. They won the cup winner's cup a few times but that wasn't so important really, less important than the Europa league is today because there was also the Uefa Cup.

This myth that Barcelona have some great long standing history outside of the two team La Liga is nothing more than just bluster. Their recent history is littered with titles and fair play ot them because they sold it well but it'll be no surprise if they fade away as a European football power in the near future. There is so much money in the game now and so many rich owners that the power can shift and it will and we are seeing this right now.

Look at Milan and what happened to them. They were the Barcelona of the late 80's and early 90's but they fell away. They will be back now with all the money they have and nobody will bat an eyelid but because PSG haven't won a European Cup people are up in arms and complaining about it.

Baloney.

Barca won the European Cup in 1992 and played in the final in 1994.

George Weah played or PSG from 1992 to 1995.

Dirty Dingus McGee · 03-08-2017 07:47AM

naughtb4 wrote: »

Do people that have a problem with the transfer just want no new big clubs?

There isn't a big club closed shop

PSG arguably had as much history as Chelsea or City from a European perspective until recently

I don't.

I think it's great what they're doing.

But a couple of posters have tried to rewrite history and claim Barca aren't actually as historic a club as they are which of course is nonsense.

ThunbergsAreGo · 03-08-2017 08:22AM

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

I don't.

I think it's great what they're doing.

But a couple of posters have tried to rewrite history and claim Barca aren't actually as historic a club as they are which of course is nonsense.

I get you and to be honest who cares if they are historic?

I can see both sides, they are have been a big club for a while, but their status has increased massively in the last 15 years and would have been seen as a tier two club in global standing. Until 2005 they had less European Cups than Forest.
But there is not doubt they are a club which has history

Giggsy11 · 03-08-2017 08:24AM

Barca celebrated a dodgy guy when they signed him in a dodgy way, making illegal payments and now they call him Judas when he is leaving though main door when the buying club is not making any dodgy payments.

inforfun · 03-08-2017 08:32AM

Their money is dodgy though.

Giggsy11 · 03-08-2017 08:38AM

inforfun wrote: »

Their money is dodgy though.

Selling club is getting full money though, poor Santos probably got 10% of the fee.

inforfun · 03-08-2017 08:44AM

Giggsy11 wrote: »

Selling club is getting full money though, poor Santos probably got 10% of the fee.

You ll need to install a new server to describe everything that is going wrong in South America as it comes to transfers.

Just google Deportivo Maldonado. That is a good start.

03-08-2017 08:45AM

Absolute gold on this thread to catch up on it seems.
The killer blow has been dealt. At least Barca are getting a **** load of money out of it.
Suspect the push for Coutihno is ramped up.

Giggsy11 · 03-08-2017 08:45AM

inforfun wrote: »

You ll need to install a new server to describe everything that is going wrong in South America as it comes to transfers.

Just google Deportivo Maldonado. That is a good start.

That doesn't make what Barca did right. At least they are getting full termination amount.

inforfun · 03-08-2017 08:46AM

Giggsy11 wrote: »

That doesn't make what Barca did right. At least they are getting full termination amount.

Wasnt meant to defend Barcelona.
Just the total chaos over there makes **** that barca pulled a lot easier to pull.

Maybe Neymar should have waited a week with that move out of respect for Chapecoense

Trigger · 03-08-2017 08:59AM

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Absolute gold on this thread to catch up on it seems.
The killer blow has been dealt. At least Barca are getting a **** load of money out of it.
Suspect the push for Coutihno is ramped up.

I read a reports last night that if they don't get Coutinho they will push for Hazard

03-08-2017 09:04AM

astradave wrote: »

I read a reports last night that if they don't get Coutinho they will push for Hazard

With the money available to them they can easily afford 100 mill and still be swimming in what's left.
Ozil has been mentioned too.

Giggsy11 · 03-08-2017 09:04AM

astradave wrote: »

I read a reports last night that if they don't get Coutinho they will push for Hazard

I don't think they will get either of those 2.

Will be interesting to see which player they will sign as anyone is an obvious downgrade from Neymar and also there aren't any world class players with clauses to move.

GavRedKing · 03-08-2017 10:07AM

Hazards injured if he wasnt, I'd be expecting them to pay about 200m for him too.

pjohnson · 03-08-2017 10:09AM

GavRedKing wrote: »

Hazards injured if he wasnt, I'd be expecting them to pay about 200m for him too.

I think every club will be expecting 150 - 200m from Barca now. Except maybe Arsenal if Barca target Özil/Sanchez.

Summer transfer thread 17/18 season (NEYMAR TALK IN OTHER THREAD)

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