Summer transfer thread 17/18 season (NEYMAR TALK IN OTHER THREAD)

TitianGerm · 01-08-2017 09:18AM

M!Ck^ wrote: »

So the big ones this morning:

Inter Milan to make a 35million bid for Mane

"RMC Sport reporter Mohamed Bouhafsi claimed on Twitter that Liverpool had rejected an £89m ($147m) bid from Barcelona for Coutinho."

Serge Aurier to United picking up pace too.

Telegraph saying if Barca don't get Coutinho they will go after Ozil

Liverpool paid 34m for Mane last season. I'd assume that one is just made up to be honest.

greendom · 01-08-2017 09:19AM

Unbelievable arrogance from Barcelona. In light of the Neymar to PSG transfer, los cules want to form an alliance with other clubs to form an anti PSG front.

The club who have done more than their fair share of tapping up getting a bit precious when they are on the receiving end. Defies belief really.

http://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2017/barcelona-are-sounding-out-top-european-sides-to-form-an-anti-psg-front/

Gbear · 01-08-2017 09:25AM

greendom wrote: »

Unbelievable arrogance from Barcelona. In light of the Neymar to PSG transfer, los cules want to form an alliance with other clubs to form an anti PSG front.

The club who have done more than their fair share of tapping up getting a bit precious when they are on the receiving end. Defies belief really.

http://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2017/barcelona-are-sounding-out-top-european-sides-to-form-an-anti-psg-front/

And not only that, but they've been happy to take Qatar's dirty money is well.

Barcelona have become one of the most contemptible sports organisations in the world in recent years.

The mes que un club stuff is a load of self-righteouss bollocks, but they were decent enough up until recently. They've really taken a nose dive in the last 5-10 years.

Giggsy11 · 01-08-2017 09:38AM

Andersonisgod wrote: »

Here's an article by Barney Ronay about Mourinho's fixation with height. https://amp.theguardian.com/football/2017/jul/14/jose-mourinho-tall-story-manchester-united-manager

A tweet below that article also has a picture of the notes of a Mourinho team talk which shows a Celtic team lined out by name and, strangely, with their height above their name.

Lol what an useless article.

It is only really Mourinho out there trying to block out the sky, a manager who these days basically only signs tall people. To date his major first-team buys at United have been Romelu Lukaku (6ft 3in) Zlatan Ibrahimovic (6ft 5in), Paul Pogba (6ft 3in), Victor Lindelof (6ft 2in) and Henrikh Mkhitaryan (5ft 11in). He doesn’t seem to trust Mkhitaryan much. Probably coincidence.

Yeah he didn't trust 5.11 feet tall Mkhitaryan but played 5.9 feet Lingard in his place and also 5.7 feet Mata.

It is only really Mourinho out there trying to block out the sky, a manager who these days basically only signs tall people.

Again wrong. This season all of Conte's and Pep's signings (Except Silva) are above 6 feet.
Last season Conte's signings:
batshuayi - 6.1 feet
Alonso - 6.2 feet
David Luiz - 6.2 feet
Kante 5.6 feet

Conte has signed 8 players and only 1 player is below 6 feet.

Andersonisgod · 01-08-2017 09:51AM

Giggsy11 wrote: »

Lol what an useless article.

Yeah he didn't trust 5.11 feet tall Mkhitaryan but played 5.9 feet Lingard in his place and also 5.7 feet Mata.

Again wrong. This season all of Conte's and Pep's signings (Except Silva) are above 6 feet.
Last season Conte's signings:
batshuayi - 6.1 feet
Alonso - 6.2 feet
David Luiz - 6.2 feet
Kante 5.6 feet

Conte has signed 8 players and only 1 player is below 6 feet.

So basically anything that doesn't confide to your narrow views is automatically "nonsense"?

And yet Conte starts consistently with Azpilicueta at centre back, Moses at right back, Kante in midfield, Hazard and Pedro on the wings and Fabregas as his most used 12th player....

Pep starts with small cb Otamendi, Silva, De Bruyne, Gundogan, Sterling, Bernardo Silva, Gabriel Jesus and Aguero.

The difference in height is plain to see, and that plays its part in the style of football these clubs try to play. 2 want the ball on the ground, 1 does not.

Andersonisgod · 01-08-2017 09:52AM

Gbear wrote: »

And not only that, but they've been happy to take Qatar's dirty money is well.

Barcelona have become one of the most contemptible sports organisations in the world in recent years.

The mes que un club stuff is a load of self-righteouss bollocks, but they were decent enough up until recently. They've really taken a nose dive in the last 5-10 years.

You mean when they became the best club in Europe and upset your status quo?

inforfun · 01-08-2017 10:04AM

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Serge Aurier to United picking up pace too.

Brrr..... whatever about his talent but do you really want that "character" in your dressing room....

Giggsy11 · 01-08-2017 10:05AM

Andersonisgod wrote: »

So basically anything that doesn't confide to your narrow views is automatically "nonsense"?

And yet Conte starts consistently with Azpilicueta at centre back, Moses at right back, Kante in midfield, Hazard and Pedro on the wings and Fabregas as his most used 12th player....

Pep starts with small cb Otamendi, Silva, De Bruyne, Gundogan, Sterling, Bernardo Silva, Gabriel Jesus and Aguero.

The difference in height is plain to see, and that plays its part in the style of football these clubs try to play. 2 want the ball on the ground, 1 does not.

No, what is nonsense is nonsense, which most of the time is your posts.

Moses played as a wing back, yes he is 5.10 and Valencia is 5.11
Defense was
Cahill - 6.4
Luiz - 6.2
Azpi - 5.10
Alonso - 6.2
Kante - 5.6
Matic - 6.4

That's the defensive side. Yeah he used one or two players just under 6 feet, big deal.

ManUtd' most used defense + midfield:
Valencia - 5.11
Rojo - 6.2
Bailly - 6.2
Blind - 5.11
Herrera - 6
Pogba 6.3

hardly anything in that. So yes, you are talking absolute rubbish.

You go on and on about Pedro and all that, ManUtd played Lingard, Mkhitaryan, Rashford who are all under 6 feet. In the attacking 3 behind striker, Mata, Rashford and Mkhitaryan played most mins and all of them are under 6 feet.

Dirty Dingus McGee · 01-08-2017 10:07AM

Andersonisgod wrote: »

You mean when they became the best club in Europe and upset your status quo?

But Barca haven't upset the status quo.

They were always a massive club, they just became a bit more successful in the last 10 years then before that.

01-08-2017 10:08AM

I get not liking Barcelona but this Neymar deal is dodgy as hell

01-08-2017 10:09AM

inforfun wrote: »

Brrr..... whatever about his talent but do you really want that "character" in your dressing room....

He seems a bit of a loose canon alright! But sure **** it, what harm.
Eccentric is sometimes what's needed. As long as he's not as cracked as Balotelli

Andersonisgod · 01-08-2017 10:12AM

Giggsy11 wrote: »

No, what is nonsense is nonsense, which most of the time is your posts.

Moses played as a wing back, yes he is 5.10 and Valencia is 5.11
Defense was
Cahill - 6.4
Luiz - 6.2
Azpi - 5.10
Alonso - 6.2
Kante - 5.6
Matic - 6.4

That's the defensive side. Yeah he used one or two players just under 6 feet, big deal.

ManUtd' most used defense + midfield:
Valencia - 5.11
Rojo - 6.2
Bailly - 6.2
Blind - 5.11
Herrera - 6
Pogba 6.3

hardly anything in that. So yes, you are talking absolute rubbish.

You go on and on about Pedro and all that, ManUtd played Lingard, Mkhitaryan, Rashford who are all under 6 feet. In the attacking 3 behind striker, Mata, Rashford and Mkhitaryan played most mins and all of them are under 6 feet.

And yet...they'd be the biggest team ever to win the league or European Cup. Playing a style of football that's optimal for big men to play. In an era where more top coaches are favouring a more technical game generally associated with smaller players. Thems the facts buddy and facts can't be nonsense no matter how much you might want them to be. Valencia, Lindelof, Smalling, Rojo, Matic, Fellaini, Pogba, Rashford, Martial, Lukaku. Will we see that team this season? Entirely possible. It's land of giants, Jurrasic Park stuff.

pjohnson · 01-08-2017 10:14AM

I love people who become hilariously outraged that people over 6 feet play football AND that sometimes the ball may go slightly off ground level. Its almost like some are horrified that there are multiple ways to play the game.

Shock horror not everyone uses tiki taka bs.

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Andersonisgod · 01-08-2017 10:16AM

pjohnson wrote: »

I love people who become hilariously outraged that people over 6 feet play football AND that sometimes the ball may go slightly off ground level. Its almost like some are horrified that there are multiple ways to play the game.

Shock horror not everyone uses tiki taka bs.

Nobody says that they have to. Yet when somebody says they sign big players, they play a physical game that suits those players it's the fans of that club that get all defensive. Nobody says you have to play tiki taka, but equally don't get all offended when somebody points out that you don't play that way. Easy.

klose · 01-08-2017 10:16AM

Are spurs signing anyone this window at all? Not ideal to be sitting on your hands after a season like they had.

Giggsy11 · 01-08-2017 10:19AM

Andersonisgod wrote: »

And yet...they'd be the biggest team ever to win the league or European Cup. Playing a style of football that's optimal for big men to play. In an era where more top coaches are favouring a more technical game generally associated with smaller players. Thems the facts buddy and facts can't be nonsense no matter how much you might want them to be. Valencia, Lindelof, Smalling, Rojo, Matic, Fellaini, Pogba, Rashford, Martial, Lukaku. Will we see that team this season? Entirely possible. It's land of giants, Jurrasic Park stuff.

Yet Conte and Pep signed all the players who are above 6 feet.

It's not jurassic park, just that your posts are dumb and dumber (not that it's surprising).

Andersonisgod · 01-08-2017 10:20AM

Giggsy11 wrote: »

Yet Conte and Pep signed all the players who are above 6 feet.

It's not jurassic park, just that your posts are dumb and dumber (not that it's surprising).

Prime example of my point in previous post. Look at that!

NIMAN · 01-08-2017 10:21AM

klose wrote: »

Are spurs signing anyone this window at all? Not ideal to be sitting on your hands after a season like they had.

I think they are avoiding getting caught up in the madness tbh

Giggsy11 · 01-08-2017 10:21AM

Andersonisgod wrote: »

Nobody says that they have to. Yet when somebody says they sign big players, they play a physical game that suits those players it's the fans of that club that get all defensive. Nobody says you have to play tiki taka, but equally don't get all offended when somebody points out that you don't play that way. Easy.

If you take head out of Pep's arse you will see all the players signed are technically good, not just hoof merchants. But then, I would be asking too much from you. So not hoping anything positive on that.

GLaDOS · 01-08-2017 10:21AM

****ing hell, who cares?

Giggsy11 · 01-08-2017 10:22AM

Andersonisgod wrote: »

Prime example of my point in previous post. Look at that!

Again have to look at the post that was already proved wrong? Nice try.

How come Conte and Pep are signing players who are above 6 feet when the world football is preferring small technical players?

pjohnson · 01-08-2017 10:22AM

Andersonisgod wrote: »

Nobody says that they have to. Yet when somebody says they sign big players, they play a physical game that suits those players it's the fans of that club that get all defensive. Nobody says you have to play tiki taka, but equally don't get all offended when somebody points out that you don't play that way. Easy.

I hope you will be outraged with Pep's tactics if he tells Ederson to start unleashing this during the season. The ball comes ever so slightly off the grass.

https://twitter.com/GuardiolaTweets/status/891727877804371968

Aside from AIG being triggered I gotta say this is some great f*cking kick tbf. Definitely will lead to goals if hes allowed use that talent serious weapon.

Early days but Ederson seems an improvement on Bravo unfortunately.

BullBlackNova · 01-08-2017 10:24AM

klose wrote: »

Are spurs signing anyone this window at all? Not ideal to be sitting on your hands after a season like they had.

Ross Barkley seems to be their most common link in the gossip columns anyway. It's an odd one.

The squad they had was incapable of competing on more than one front last season and it has now lost its starting right-back. Even if Poch is happy with Trippier as the new RB, you'd think there'd be an interest in back-up/competition.

There seems to be a lot of waiting and seeing - and it's hard to argue against it really. I mean, Son kicked on a lot last season after his first season so maybe Poch thinks he can get the same result from Janssen or Sissoko this time out?

And, on that basis, I guess there's no guarantee that replacing any of those players would actually result an improvement either.

Throw in their financial restrictions (wage bill and the new stadium) and maybe they are happier to sit tight than sign the wrong player?

I know if was a Spurs fan, I'd want a Rb, maybe a CB, a winger/attacker - just to fill out the numbers really.

Their first XI is superb but there's a big drop in quality there to the replacements, I think.

The first team squad listed on Wikipedia has just 22 players in it, including the likes of N'Koudou, Onomah, Carter-Vickers and Winks, all of whom are pretty inexperienced. Even adding in Edwards and Walker-Peters, it's still pretty short overall.

Andersonisgod · 01-08-2017 10:26AM

pjohnson wrote: »

I hope you will be outraged with Pep's tactics if he tells Ederson to start unleashing this during the season. The ball comes ever so slightly off the grass.

https://twitter.com/GuardiolaTweets/status/891727877804371968

Aside from AIG being triggered I gotta say this is some great f*cking kick tbf. Definitely will lead to goals if hes allowed use that talent serious weapon.

Early days but Ederson seems an improvement on Bravo unfortunately.

1 kick in a pre season game vs 90 minutes of repeatedly kicking the ball back to Barcelona in a pre season game is not the same thing. That should be obvious.

pjohnson · 01-08-2017 10:27AM

BullBlackNova wrote: »

http://www.football365.com/news/arsenal-hope-to-sell-seven-but-wages-a-problem

No real surprise in this one, but I wonder if it is going to be a growing phenomenon for PL sides. The money available to even mid-table and lower-end PL teams outstrips most of their European counterparts.

For e.g., Leicester spent pretty big on the likes of Slimani, Musa and Mendy last year with little success for one reason or other. But I can't imagine many of them would see similar wages paid if they were to head back to France, Russia, Portugal, etc

(may be a bad example as I don't know what wages they're on and that Leicester actually earned their higher profile signings by yknow, winning the title! But they popped into my head first.)

I just wonder now will we see dozens or really average footballers stuck in the reserves at PL sides for the coming seasons as nobody can afford to sign them. Or huge loan armies like Chelsea's because nobody wants to pay a fee. Or massive losses in fees from one season to the next as nobody can pay quite the same levels as PL sides.

Jesus thats some amount of deadwood on Arsenals squad. Thats a drain on resources for sure. If he could bin that lot he may release enough funds to try and get Özil tied down at least.

TitianGerm · 01-08-2017 10:30AM

pjohnson wrote: »

Early days but Ederson seems an improvement on Bravo unfortunately.

That wouldn't be hard on fairness. A fecking scarecrow would have stopped more than Bravo last season.

eagle eye · 01-08-2017 10:32AM

Andersonisgod wrote: »

So basically anything that doesn't confide to your narrow views is automatically "nonsense"?

And yet Conte starts consistently with Azpilicueta at centre back, Moses at right back, Kante in midfield, Hazard and Pedro on the wings and Fabregas as his most used 12th player....

Pep starts with small cb Otamendi, Silva, De Bruyne, Gundogan, Sterling, Bernardo Silva, Gabriel Jesus and Aguero.

The difference in height is plain to see, and that plays its part in the style of football these clubs try to play. 2 want the ball on the ground, 1 does not.

And City with all the money they spent finished fourth. Maybe they need to have a look at that.

Andersonisgod · 01-08-2017 10:33AM

eagle eye wrote: »

And City with all the money they spent finished fourth. Maybe they need to have a look at that.

They have had a look at that. That's what this summer has been about. Which, finally, brings us back to transfers!

01-08-2017 10:41AM

emmetkenny wrote: »

Liverpool paid 34m for Mane last season. I'd assume that one is just made up to be honest.

If the bid is true it's a joke of an offer. He's probably worth around 50m in current market.

pjohnson · 01-08-2017 10:42AM

emmetkenny wrote: »

That wouldn't be hard on fairness. A fecking scarecrow would have stopped more than Bravo last season.

Lol very true.

Always somewhat amusing how generally crap Chileans manage to be in the PL when you see how good they are as a National Team.

Summer transfer thread 17/18 season (NEYMAR TALK IN OTHER THREAD)

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