F&F Chitchat a hocht, an feirmeoir bocht

whelan2 · 27-07-2017 01:37PM

ganmo wrote: »

Of the tens of thousands of farms how many have employees that aren't family.

Or how many have employees who also stay on site that are not family

Buford T. Justice XIX · 27-07-2017 01:39PM

Panjandrums wrote: »

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So now you want to argue that one suspected and highly improbable case on one farm is indicative of widespread welfare problems on farms across the country?

Really?

I will concede that worker welfare problems on farms are of the same scale as in work as a whole.

Like I said in the other thread, if there is a problem then the OP should report it. If, and again it's a big if, the problem exists in any way resembling the OPs reporting it, nobody here or in the Agriculture industry as a whole will have one word or ounce of sympathy for the farmer in question and will be anxious that he be prosecuted to the full length of applicable laws.

But, as I said before, the thread seems to be intended as an anti-farmer thread as indicated by the OPs last post on that thread claiming it is a tax scam by the farmer.

There is improbable and there is pure fantasy. Tbh, all that thread needs now is a dragon or two.

kollegeknight · 27-07-2017 01:43PM

Panjandrums wrote: »

You are suggesting that with the tens of thousands of farms across the country, there's no isssues with mistreatment of workers, correct?

I have one worker who's output isn't as good as the others but I let him off because his singing is so rhythmic that i can get 20% more cotton picked in a day.

Hard Knocks · 27-07-2017 03:28PM

whelan2 wrote: »

Hard Knocks wrote: »

Last cow is 8 days served to the CH.
When is soonest we can scan & have definite results

28 days after serving

Wow that's short

kowtow · 27-07-2017 03:38PM

pedigree 6 wrote: »

I heard someone say their wife drove a tesla from Dublin to Wexford and when she got on the motorway in Dublin she didn't have to touch the steering wheel or the pedals all the way
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My wife has been driving that way for years. It's less of a problem now that the neighbors know to watch out for her.

Water John · 27-07-2017 04:29PM

The wages of the workers whilst there in the meat factories might be more worth looking into, from what I've heard.

And you're now, dead meat, Kowtow, if she sees your post.

Mac Taylor · 27-07-2017 05:42PM

Panjandrums wrote: »

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Would you like to offer some proof? :eek:

As many have said before very easy to make sweeping comments behind a computer.......I prefer to deal in facts and figures. Obviously as this is a public forum PM me the specifics (names and addresses and proof) and I will have no issue reporting it to the appropriate authorities for you.

Look forward to your reply

orm0nd · 27-07-2017 10:24PM

Mac Taylor wrote: »

Would you like to offer some proof? :eek:

As many have said before very easy to make sweeping comments behind a computer.......I prefer to deal in facts and figures. Obviously as this is a public forum PM me the specifics (names and addresses and proof) and I will have no issue reporting it to the appropriate authorities for you.

Look forward to your reply

2 pages in the sunday findo about 5 or 6 years ago .

Mac Taylor · 27-07-2017 11:17PM

orm0nd wrote: »

2 pages in the sunday findo about 5 or 6 years ago .

Fair enough, I can't find the link but I'll take your word for it and hope the appropriate action was taken. My point is more about the general sweeping statement of the original poster.

Panjandrums · 27-07-2017 11:31PM

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Mac Taylor · 27-07-2017 11:48PM

Panjandrums wrote: »

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I agree not quite the smoking gun. Leave off on the generalisations and we'll all get along fine:D

Panjandrums · 27-07-2017 11:55PM

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kollegeknight · 28-07-2017 06:18AM

Panjandrums wrote: »

A conversation/debate wouldn't get far, if you had to back every up with a decision from a judge or an newspaper article.

I don't see where it says the low paid jobs are on farms.

The only Brazilians I encountered while living in Ennis were house cleaners. That doesn't mean all Brazilians were exploited by home owners.

emaherx · 28-07-2017 07:34AM

Panjandrums wrote: »

There's a poster over in the Kildare fourm saying how he knows a farmer taking advantage of French students by making them sleep in a shed and not feeding them enough so the students have to resort to calf rations and berries from the ditch.

Some are saying it's bs, but I'd say similar is happening all over the country.

These "French students" must have forgotten their iPhones. You can be sure they would have plastered this all over their social media by now if it were true.

If it were undocumented economic migrants just happy to be better off than where they came from the story might be somewhat believable, but social media connected privileged exchange students...... Nah

_Brian · 28-07-2017 08:00AM

What's the point of this conversation??
That a small minority of farmers are mean cnuts and treat workers poorly, I've worked on hundreds of farms and can indeed confirm this, but they are a small minority.

Do I believe that French students are living in haysheds eating calf nuts being treated as slaves all round the country - No, that's just ridiculous, on this forum alone there are farming folk representing every county, if it were widespread someone would have seen these poor dejected soules.

carrollsno1 · 28-07-2017 08:32AM

_Brian wrote: »

What's the point of this conversation??
That a small minority of farmers are mean cnuts and treat workers poorly, I've worked on hundreds of farms and can indeed confirm this, but they are a small minority.

Do I believe that French students are living in haysheds eating calf nuts being treated as slaves all round the country - No, that's just ridiculous, on this forum alone there are farming folk representing every county, if it were widespread someone would have seen these poor dejected soules.

Them french students might have a fairly high expectation coming here too though. wont go into the details but i remember one student telling me the appalling conditions they were in, now the student that was where i worked was very well looked after you wouldnt get as good a family anywhere else. But then he showed me the pictures of where the other student was staying. Well i can safely say i stayed in accomadation very similar and some accomadation bot even as good as it when i worked in the UK.
The problem with that student though was he was treated like **** just there to paint gates etc.
Like come on your getting cheap laboyr in the middle of the breeding season you should at least treat them with respect let them help out with farming so they can learn sonething at least.

I said · 28-07-2017 08:59AM

_Brian wrote: »

What's the point of this conversation??
That a small minority of farmers are mean cnuts and treat workers poorly, I've worked on hundreds of farms and can indeed confirm this, but they are a small minority.

Do I believe that French students are living in haysheds eating calf nuts being treated as slaves all round the country - No, that's just ridiculous, on this forum alone there are farming folk representing every county, if it were widespread someone would have seen these poor dejected soules.

There are mean cnuts in all walks of life

kollegeknight · 28-07-2017 09:31AM

Small lady has a fever since wed evening. so I'm watching doc mcstuffins for a bit. Head is addled.

Limestone Cowboy · 28-07-2017 11:17AM

kollegeknight wrote: »

I don't see where it says the low paid jobs are on farms.

The only Brazilians I encountered while living in Ennis were house cleaners. That doesn't mean all Brazilians were exploited by home owners.

There used to be a good few Brazilians from gort working on farms around here, I won't say they were exploited but they were working very cheaply.

marathon · 28-07-2017 12:47PM

Bits advice required. I bought in 14 calves 3weeks ago they all off milk and out in a little paddock now I haven't given them any dose for anything since they arrived I normally give calves endospec drench when they going out to give them little boost and then 6 weeks later again. Any suggestions what to give them or am I doing right thing as it is?

whelan2 · 28-07-2017 01:27PM

kollegeknight wrote: »

Small lady has a fever since wed evening. so I'm watching doc mcstuffins for a bit. Head is addled.

Hope she's better soon, weather is very changable

whelan2 · 28-07-2017 01:59PM

http://www.farmersjournal.ie/do-you-know-the-average-age-of-an-irish-female-farmer-296390

Limestone Cowboy · 28-07-2017 02:10PM

marathon wrote: »

Bits advice required. I bought in 14 calves 3weeks ago they all off milk and out in a little paddock now I haven't given them any dose for anything since they arrived I normally give calves endospec drench when they going out to give them little boost and then 6 weeks later again. Any suggestions what to give them or am I doing right thing as it is?

Vet reckoned you'd want to dosing for worms once a month from the start of August onwards when he did the herd health plan a few weeks ago, said not to use any ivermectin products on calves aswell. That's with suckler calves, bucket fed ones would be more prone to worm burdens I'd imagine and probably should have been dosed at this stage. He was recommending that I use levacide on the calves.

Hard Knocks · 28-07-2017 05:25PM

Dosed the Sheep with turbomec & bits on Tuesday to prepare for ram, noticed today turbomec is not for fluke, guess I have to give leafas diamond for fluke.
Was going to dose sucklers & calves tomorrow, last dosed in May.
Would turbomec be enough til housing or should I give Ldiamond too?

Water John · 28-07-2017 05:26PM

Whelan, I'd never be putting you near the word, average.

tanko · 28-07-2017 05:30PM

Hard Knocks wrote: »

Dosed the Sheep with turbomec & bits on Tuesday to prepare for ram, noticed today turbomec is not for fluke, guess I have to give leafas diamond for fluke.
Was going to dose sucklers & calves tomorrow, last dosed in May.
Would turbomec be enough til housing or should I give Ldiamond too?

Is there any point giving turbomec to cows if it doesn't treat fluke?

Bullocks · 28-07-2017 05:58PM

Limestone Cowboy wrote: »

Vet reckoned you'd want to dosing for worms once a month from the start of August onwards when he did the herd health plan a few weeks ago, said not to use any ivermectin products on calves aswell. That's with suckler calves, bucket fed ones would be more prone to worm burdens I'd imagine and probably should have been dosed at this stage. He was recommending that I use levacide on the calves.

Does once a month sound a bit much for dosing ? Would it be better to do an egg count and dose accordingly

Limestone Cowboy · 28-07-2017 07:55PM

Bullocks wrote: »

Does once a month sound a bit much for dosing ? Would it be better to do an egg count and dose accordingly

I'd have thought so, he made out I wasn't doing them often enough anyway and that I didn't need to start doing march/April born calves until August. I'd normally do them in July, September and a fortnight before weaning in November.

whelan2 · 28-07-2017 07:58PM

Limestone Cowboy wrote: »

I'd have thought so, he made out I wasn't doing them often enough anyway and that I didn't need to start doing march/April born calves until August. I'd normally do them in July, September and a fortnight before weaning in November.

Do you buy your dosing from him. Can cattle be overdosed?

patsy_mccabe · 28-07-2017 08:01PM

Limestone Cowboy wrote: »

I'd have thought so, he made out I wasn't doing them often enough anyway and that I didn't need to start doing march/April born calves until August. I'd normally do them in July, September and a fortnight before weaning in November.

That's roughly what I do.

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