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Summer transfer thread 17/18 season (NEYMAR TALK IN OTHER THREAD)

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  • #2492
    IncognitoMan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,056 ✭✭✭IncognitoMan


    2 completely different players who play in different positions where the attacking position value tends to be a bit higher so yeah Neymar is worth more than Pogba. Doesn't make Pogba bad. Although to be fair, I don't think the poser said that.

    If you didn't see the difference in the Man Utd side last year when Pogba was out, then you didn't watch very much of United. He's the man to build our midfield around for the next 8-10 seasons. In today's market he's clearly worth what was paid. Also there was interest from other clubs, saying United had a free run at him is just wrong.


  • #2493
    irishman86
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,814 ✭✭✭irishman86


    castletownman wrote: »
    In fairness, we haven't really seen whether Neymar is a grab a game by the scruff of the neck type of player at Barca, what with Messi playing just that role for years.

    And he fairly did grab the PSG second leg game by the danglers last year in that comeback win. Was outstanding that night. Maybe it planted the seed that he wants to be the main man.

    So one game, thats it. Like you said Neymar hasnt shown to be a player to grab a game by the scruff of the neck. Pogba has dominated as much as Neymar


  • #2494
    irishman86
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,814 ✭✭✭irishman86


    SM01 wrote: »
    The fact is that those crossbar hitting shots didn't go in so he didn't score them. If me auntie had balls etc etc.

    And yes, Neymar is that type of player. For Barca and Brazil. Look I don't want to put pogba down cause he's a very good player. He's just not at that level yet. Now we can go back and forth and say "he is/ he isn't" but I'm sticking to my guns on this one.

    I dont really care if youre sticking to your guns you arent right. Neymar had a down season last year and was playing for Barcelona a team that hands out 5 nil beatings on the regular but her just ignore that :rolleyes:
    Pogba came into a team in turmoil and himself and Zlatan gave it some shape, its ridiculous that if a player signs for United all of a sudden hes suddenly not a good player anymore


  • #2495
    irishman86
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,814 ✭✭✭irishman86


    Burial. wrote: »
    Yeah but Pogba could have got a billion views for his crossbar challenges. #PogbarChallenge #DabNation #StormzyInnit

    If you think a few more goals would have made him the best midfielder in the league you're either clueless about what makes a midfielder a good player, clueless about Pogba or about the quality of midfielders in the league, or all three.

    De Bruyne hit the woodwork more than Pogba last season, for what it's worth.

    I think he is the best regardless of goals, its idiots who see goals as the only thing worth pointing out is whom I refer to


  • #2496
    Osmosis Jones
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,885 ✭✭✭✭Osmosis Jones


    There's no anti-United bias in saying Neymar's on another level to Pogba, I don't know of very many people at all who would argue otherwise. Neymar's probably one of the top 5 players in the world.


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  • #2497
    Agent Coulson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,272 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    irishman86 wrote: »
    I think he is the best regardless of goals, its idiots who see goals as the only thing worth pointing out is whom I refer to

    It's crossbar hits that count.


  • #2498
    irishman86
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,814 ✭✭✭irishman86


    rob316 wrote: »
    stop it lad your embarrassingly yourself. If the goals went in he'd be the best midfielder hahaha

    You are the one who should be embarrassed because you clearly havent a clue. I suppose Henderson is the best in your eyes :rolleyes: maybe Coutinho :pac::pac:
    The difference between you and I is I dont speak fluent english so I can get away with incorrect words, you have no excuse for the nonsense you have posted
    To clarify the word I intended to use was shots


  • #2499
    Trigger
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    Some transfer news from Ballague, saying that Coutinho is a target now for Barca and they are going to send in a new offer(think he might be a bit late to the party :D )

    https://twitter.com/guillembalague/status/888465075924852736

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  • #2500
    Osmosis Jones
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,885 ✭✭✭✭Osmosis Jones


    astradave wrote: »
    Some transfer news from Ballague, saying that Coutinho is a target now for Barca and they are going to send in a new offer(think he might be a bit late to the party :D )

    https://twitter.com/guillembalague/status/888465075924852736

    Confirmed staying in Liverpool so, Guillem's rumours are the transfer equivalent of the kiss of death.


  • #2501
    Trigger
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    Osmosis Jones wrote: »
    Confirmed staying in Liverpool so, Guillem's rumours are the transfer equivalent of the kiss of death.

    Have a look at some of the replies to his tweet :D it's jut people calling him out on his bull****

    Moderator: Forum Games, Conspiracy Theories, Current Affairs/IMHO



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  • #2502
    Giggsy11
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,521 ✭✭✭Giggsy11


    pjohnson wrote: »
    Hopefully liverpool get that Keita lad. If for nothing else to stop this nonsense if both Liverpool and United had a 70m midfielder.

    Oh please no. Shouldn't worry about what some clueless ****s post on internet, Keita is very good player. Hopefully he stays at Leipzig and extends his contract.


  • #2503
    Dirty Dingus McGee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,631 ✭✭✭Dirty Dingus McGee


    Giggsy11 wrote: »
    He isnt.

    Who'd be ahead of him then?

    I'd pick him in front of every payer in the world apart from Messi,Ronaldo and Suarez right now.


  • #2504
    Giggsy11
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,521 ✭✭✭Giggsy11


    Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »
    Who'd be ahead of him then?

    I'd pick him in front of every payer in the world apart from Messi,Ronaldo and Suarez right now.

    Messi, Ronaldo, Suarez. Modric, Kroos for a start.


  • #2505
    Dirty Dingus McGee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,631 ✭✭✭Dirty Dingus McGee


    Osmosis Jones wrote: »
    There's no anti-United bias in saying Neymar's on another level to Pogba, I don't know of very many people at all who would argue otherwise. Neymar's probably one of the top 5 players in the world.

    Great attackers are more valuable than great midfield players so regardless of how good Pogba may become if Neymar backs up his talent with performances (and I'd be pretty sure he will) he'll always have the edge over the likes of Pogba and that's why his fee in comparision to Pogba's is probably better value for money. Neymars 14/15 and 15/16 seasons are better than anything Pogba has produced so far.


  • #2506
    Giggsy11
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,521 ✭✭✭Giggsy11


    Agent Coulson wrote: »
    Pogba, Lukaku, Mkhitaryan, de Gea, Martial, Rashford :P

    Oh please don't confuse me with likes of yourself. Probably your most intelligent posts, considering your other posts bar isn't that high.


  • #2507
    Burial.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,131 ✭✭✭Burial.


    Giggsy11 wrote: »
    Messi, Ronaldo, Suarez. Modric, Kroos for a start.

    Can't believe the Toni Kroos myth is still going. Great player but top 10 in the world is an insult, top 5 is just batsh*t crazy.


  • #2508
    Lord TSC
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 42,956 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lord TSC


    Lads, cut the Liverpool vs United bull**** out. Cards about to be dished to one or two who crossed the line. Everyone else, drop it and get back to transfer news.


  • #2509
    Trigger
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    Delaney(sorry) reporting that Liverpool are going to go back with a take it or leave it bid if £75m for Keita.

    https://twitter.com/indyfootball/status/888482035974651904

    Moderator: Forum Games, Conspiracy Theories, Current Affairs/IMHO



  • #2510
    Burial.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,131 ✭✭✭Burial.


    Why was Giggsy's and my latest posts about Kroos/top 5 deleted? Nothing to do with Pool/United/mod warning...our latest posts still show them and both of us deleting them ourselves seems a bit unlikely.

    Edit: I mean deleting the last two posts and nothing else before it makes little sense either..


  • #2511
    rob316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,760 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    Best or second best midfielder in the world. Stop it my sides hurt.
    He's not even the best in the league.

    I couldn't give a **** what he cost either or any player for that matter I was simply saying in my original post he was in that 70 to 90m bracket, neymar is worth much more. Forwards generally are, he is easily in the top 5 footballers in the world and has the potential to be the best as messi and Ronaldo decline. He is also the most marketable footballer on the planet.

    Pogba was largely anonymous for United last year when it mattered. I'm not even thinking about goals, I'm talking about him imposing himself on a game. He has lots of potential but your are overrating his current ability simple as.


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  • #2512
    irishman86
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,814 ✭✭✭irishman86


    Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »
    Who'd be ahead of him then?

    I'd pick him in front of every payer in the world apart from Messi,Ronaldo and Suarez right now.

    How about the player who came third in the voting this year for a start :rolleyes:


  • #2513
    irishman86
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,814 ✭✭✭irishman86


    rob316 wrote: »
    Best or second best midfielder in the world. Stop it my sides hurt.
    He's not even the best in the league.

    I couldn't give a **** what he cost either or any player for that matter I was simply saying in my original post he was in that 70 to 90m bracket, neymar is worth much more. Forwards generally are, he is easily in the top 5 footballers in the world and has the potential to be the best as messi and Ronaldo decline. He is also the most marketable footballer on the planet.

    Pogba was largely anonymous for United last year when it mattered. I'm not even thinking about goals, I'm talking about him imposing himself on a game. He has lots of potential but your are overrating his current ability simple as.

    He isnt easily in the top five forwards never mind players.
    Pogba on the other hand is easily in the top five midfielders.
    Its funny how you talk about over rating Pogbas current ability when you and other posters are doing the same. You are hardly saying 13 goals in the league for Barcelona are amazing, unless wait you are just talking nonsense which makes a lot more sense


  • #2514
    rob316
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    irishman86 wrote: »
    He isnt easily in the top five forwards never mind players.
    Pogba on the other hand is easily in the top five midfielders.
    Its funny how you talk about over rating Pogbas current ability when you and other posters are doing the same. You are hardly saying 13 goals in the league for Barcelona are amazing, unless wait you are just talking nonsense which makes a lot more sense

    Not in the top 5. Just stop it seriously. I'm sure if United were in the mix for him you'd have a different opinion.

    Neymar has 185 combined goals and assists in 186 games for Barcelona. Unreal numbers


  • #2515
    irishman86
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,814 ✭✭✭irishman86


    rob316 wrote: »
    Not in the top 5. Just stop it seriously. I'm sure if United were in the mix for him you'd have a different opinion.

    Neymar has 185 combined goals and assists in 186 games for Barcelona. Unreal numbers

    I dont support United :rolleyes: I just have no bias towards them
    A team that scores on average of 4 goals a game with Suarez and Messi, like I said you havent a clue what your talking about.
    Neymar is the best forward from Brazil for example but when you look at his supporting cast you see why Coutinho and William arent exactly top player material
    Like I said hes not top five forward never mind top five player, he may be someday


  • #2516
    bucketybuck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,024 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    rob316 wrote: »
    Neymar has 185 combined goals and assists in 186 games for Barcelona. Unreal numbers

    I'm just shocked to hear that Neymar has played nearly 200 games for Barca already, time really does fly.


  • #2517
    rob316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,760 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    irishman86 wrote: »
    I dont support United :rolleyes: I just have no bias towards them
    A team that scores on average of 4 goals a game with Suarez and Messi, like I said you havent a clue what your talking about.
    Neymar is the best forward from Brazil for example but when you look at his supporting cast you see why Coutinho and William arent exactly top player material
    Like I said hes not top five forward never mind top five player, he may be someday

    This discussion is too stupid for me, I'm bowing out. good luck


  • #2518
    Dirty Dingus McGee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,631 ✭✭✭Dirty Dingus McGee


    irishman86 wrote: »
    How about the player who came third in the voting this year for a start :rolleyes:

    He's up there, but it's arguable whether Griezmann is better than Neymar overall rather than taking a 1 year sample size.


  • #2519
    Trigger
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    bucketybuck wrote: »
    I'm just shocked to hear that Neymar has played nearly 200 games for Barca already, time really does fly.

    105 goals and 80 assists in those games.. mental figures really.

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  • #2520
    irishman86
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,814 ✭✭✭irishman86


    rob316 wrote: »
    This discussion is too stupid for me, I'm bowing out. good luck

    :rolleyes: sure you are


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  • #2521
    Dirty Dingus McGee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,631 ✭✭✭Dirty Dingus McGee


    Neymars rankings in the Ballon D'or in recent years.

    2016: 5th
    2015: 3rd
    2014: 7th
    2013: 5th

    Averages out at 5th over the past 4 years , the years he's been playing in Europe so I'd say it's safe to say he's one of the top 5 players in the world and that putting forward that opinion that he is is perfectly sensible.


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