Summer transfer thread 17/18 season (NEYMAR TALK IN OTHER THREAD)

martyos121 · 17-07-2017 03:03PM

Sure Stoke don't even need him, Bojan has been labelled the "next Messi" for what seems like twenty years at this point.

The Red Lad · 17-07-2017 03:08PM

Aubamayang and Sanches strongly linked to AC Milan they are spending crazy money this year yet still don't understand them bringing in Borini.

beakerjoe · 17-07-2017 03:10PM

The Red Lad wrote: »

Aubamayang and Sanches strongly linked to AC Milan they are spending crazy money this year yet still don't understand them bringing in Borini.

Even if they were strapped for cash I can understand picking him up. Hes Championship level at best

Minderbinder · 17-07-2017 03:18PM

Skylinehead wrote: »

I'd be ok with those events transpiring

#WelcomeLeo

Done deal, easy.

You should send that over to the Evening Herald

Skylinehead · 17-07-2017 03:25PM

Minderbinder wrote: »

You should send that over to the Evening Herald

They'd probably say Lionel Richie is joining Arsenal

Subcomandante Marcos · 17-07-2017 03:37PM

beakerjoe wrote: »

Even if they were strapped for cash I can understand picking him up. Hes Championship level at best

I think the logic there is that they'll be playing a front 3 and he gives backup right across the frontline.

I'd wager his playing will be very limited thanks to having Suso, Bonaventura, Silva, Bacca, Niang and possibly one of Belloti/Morata/Aubamayang to compete with.

Even is Bacca and Niang are out the door I don't see Borini getting near the pitch unless there's a massive injury crisis.

That said, Milan have a history recently of picking up cast offs and getting the best out of them.

Muntari, Boateng, Suso and a few others weren't exactly doing amazingly before Milan picked them up and they all did pretty well at the San Siro.

Trigger · 17-07-2017 05:01PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Or even Red Bull Leipzig.

He played for Red Bull Salzburg before moving to RB Leipzig at the beginning of last season. Mick is saying that he wouldn't be reading too much in to his performances before moving to the Bundesliga as it's huge money to spend on someone with one season in the top leagues.

In fairness he has had a cracking season but do I think he is worth 70m based on what he has done so far. Do I fûck! It's madness for a club with limited finances like Liverpool to be spending that amount on someone that has only being playing one season at the top level. An absolutely huge risk to take.

TitianGerm · 17-07-2017 05:16PM

astradave wrote: »

He played for Red Bull Salzburg before moving to RB Leipzig at the beginning of last season. Mick is saying that he wouldn't be reading too much in to his performances before moving to the Bundesliga as it's huge money to spend on someone with one season in the top leagues.

In fairness he has had a cracking season but do I think he is worth 70m based on what he has done so far. Do I fûck! It's madness for a club with limited finances like Liverpool to be spending that amount on someone that has only being playing one season at the top level. An absolutely huge risk to take.

Well if you compare him to Pogba in his season before he joined United they both come out quite close. Also if Kieta is got for £70m that's £20-£30m less than Pogba fee so might not be such a bad signing.

(The pass completion stat must be wrong for both players).

irishman86 · 17-07-2017 05:31PM

ERG89 wrote: »

Of course he is. The current standard in the league at right back is lower than the standard of Transformer movies.

Back to actual transfer news.
Kondogbia is said to be going on loan to Valencia from Inter. To say he was a massive flop there would be kind to him.

He really isnt, hes only talked about it because hes at Spurs where he is a sub. This will be his first season starting and we shall see how long thats the case

irishman86 · 17-07-2017 05:34PM

beakerjoe wrote: »

Id tend to agree. Walker was called the best RB in the league by some, but I always felt Spurs looked more solid and dangerous with Tripps in the squad.

Who else would get the nod if not him?

Valencia off Man U maybe, Bellerin off Arsenal perhpas but id say Trippier had a better season.

Clyne off Liverpool hasnt lived up to his expectations, Chelsea havent a regular RB, who else is left.

The standard is poor and Tippier is certainly up there, as is Wlaker even if you dont rate them highly.

Clyne is 100% ahead of him as is Bellerin. Valencia in his first season at rb looked better than him. Azp... at Chelsea ahead of him and Moses was brilliant last season. Coleman miles ahead of him. Walker, Cedric etc Im sure there is more

Trigger · 17-07-2017 05:48PM

emmetkenny wrote: »

Well if you compare him to Pogba in his season before he joined United they both come out quite close. Also if Kieta is got for £70m that's £20-£30m less than Pogba fee so might not be such a bad signing.

(The pass completion stat must be wrong for both players).

Im not talking about their stats tbf, I admitted he had a great season. Pogba had 3-4 seasons playing at the top level before he moved on. I'm just saying that it's a huge risk for Liverpool to take on a player that has had one season playing in the Bundesliga.

Also Pogba cost 89m and Keita is going to cost more than 70m this season. Ye are better off waiting it out and trying to get him for the release clause that kicks in next year. Would also give ye a further year to see how he does

TitianGerm · 17-07-2017 05:55PM

astradave wrote: »

Im not talking about their stats tbf, I admitted he had a great season. Pogba had 3-4 seasons playing at the top level before he moved on. I'm just saying that it's a huge risk for Liverpool to take on a player that has had one season playing in the Bundesliga.

Also Pogba cost 89m and Keita is going to cost more than 70m this season. Ye are better off waiting it out and trying to get him for the release clause that kicks in next year. Would also give ye a further year to see how he does

Pogba had a much better midfield playing with him as well though, especially a very experienced Pirlo to help him develop.

The way transfer fees are gone £70m (I think it's €70m Liverpool offered) isn't that high. John Stones and Kyle Walker for £50m show that.

Benzino · 17-07-2017 05:57PM

astradave wrote: »

Also Pogba cost 89m and Keita is going to cost more than 70m this season. Ye are better off waiting it out and trying to get him for the release clause that kicks in next year. Would also give ye a further year to see how he does

The problem with that is another great season and more clubs will be interested.

Andersonisgod · 17-07-2017 06:03PM

Strange that people are doubting Keita. The guy is a gem.

ianob7 · 17-07-2017 06:07PM

Andersonisgod wrote:

Strange that people are doubting Keita. The guy is a gem.

Not strange as not many people follow German football to the degree required in my opinion to qualify this guy as good value at 70 million euro or whatever fee is being bandied about.

ERG89 · 17-07-2017 06:12PM

Andersonisgod wrote:

Strange that people are doubting Keita. The guy is a gem.

I think Liverpool are worried his release clause next year will see more competition offering him a lot more money so are hoping to tie him up now.

17-07-2017 06:22PM

emmetkenny wrote: »

Well if you compare him to Pogba in his season before he joined United they both come out quite close. Also if Kieta is got for £70m that's £20-£30m less than Pogba fee so might not be such a bad signing.

(The pass completion stat must be wrong for both players).

Well that's not really like for like as Pogba was playing in Europe and internationally at a higher level than Keita that season and in a more defensive and tactically oriented league.

He'd be a great signing more than likely but it is a bigger risk and likely a higher percentage of Liverpool's budget than Pogba to United was. With less marketability being an obvious gap closer too.

TitianGerm · 17-07-2017 06:40PM

Liam O wrote: »

Well that's not really like for like as Pogba was playing in Europe and internationally at a higher level than Keita that season and in a more defensive and tactically oriented league.

He'd be a great signing more than likely but it is a bigger risk and likely a higher percentage of Liverpool's budget than Pogba to United was. With less marketability being an obvious gap closer too.

Yes he was playing in Europe but like the stats posted above show both players league performances for the season before they left were very similar. Pogba was playing in a better team than Kieta so Kieta stats are even more impressive.

Look I'm not saying one player is better than the other or either player is worth any sort of fee like was payed or expected to be paid but if Klopp wants Keita then it's be good to see him sign.

Personally I'd like to see him join but I'd prefer to see a CB and LB signed first because we're weakest along the back.

17-07-2017 06:49PM

I really don't get the why Pogba has to be brought into this. (Like he practically is for every midfielder discussion).
On Pogba: He's technically a better player by a mile. And in turn brings massive marketing to boot.

On Kieta:
70 million for potential is a risk and a whole lot of money.
In particular for Liverpool but that's the market that exists now. And I'd agree with the sentiment that if they do wait on him he will go to a big club if his good form continues. Nothing to say he can't get to the level of Pogbas ability.

irishman86 · 17-07-2017 06:54PM

M!Ck^ wrote: »

I really don't get the why Pogba has to be brought into this. (Like he practically is for every midfielder discussion).
On Pogba: He's technically a better player by a mile. And in turn brings massive marketing to boot.

On Kieta:
70 million for potential is a risk and a whole lot of money.
In particular for Liverpool but that's the market that exists now. And I'd agree with the sentiment that if they do wait on him he will go to a big club if his good form continues. Nothing to say he can't get to the level of Pogbas ability.

What Im gleaming from all this is for Liverpool fans they think Kieta is a better player (based on nothing) and that for 70 million he will be a bargain :pac:
For me I think he is a good player but you cant compare him to Pogba outside of the price

eh i dunno · 17-07-2017 06:59PM

Why is no one else looking kieta? I've never seen him play but if he's that good surely a big club would be looking him?

TrustedApple · 17-07-2017 07:02PM

eh i dunno wrote: »

Why is no one else looking kieta? I've never seen him play but if he's that good surely a big club would be looking him?

Shhh to many Liverpool is still a big club

Rayne Wooney · 17-07-2017 07:04PM

So a season in the Austrian league and a decent season in Germany equates to what Pogba has accomplished and is considered value at £70 million compared to 89 million?

I mean come on now.

eagle eye · 17-07-2017 07:07PM

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

So a season in the Austrian league and a decent season in Germany equates to what Pogba has accomplished and is considered value at £70 million compared to 89 million?

I mean come on now.

Well what I read in here is that his season at Liepzig is comparable to Pogba's last season at Juventus. I didn't read anybody saying he is worth the same as Pogba.

TitianGerm · 17-07-2017 07:07PM

eh i dunno wrote: »

Why is no one else looking kieta? I've never seen him play but if he's that good surely a big club would be looking him?

Because everyone else knows they can sign him for €50m next summer, I'd say lots of the big teams are saying why pay the extra €20m now.

If Liverpool don't get him this summer then it's far less likely they'll sign him the following summer if the likes of Dortmund, A Madrid, Barca, Real etc are in for him unless Liverpool go on a very good run in the CL and PL.

Utopia Parkway · 17-07-2017 07:08PM

astradave wrote: »

Im not talking about their stats tbf, I admitted he had a great season. Pogba had 3-4 seasons playing at the top level before he moved on. I'm just saying that it's a huge risk for Liverpool to take on a player that has had one season playing in the Bundesliga.

Also Pogba cost 89m and Keita is going to cost more than 70m this season. Ye are better off waiting it out and trying to get him for the release clause that kicks in next year. Would also give ye a further year to see how he does

I imagine the club are thinking that if he has another good season then despite his lower release clause there will be a whole host of top clubs after him. Plus Liverpool may or may not be in the CL the season after next.

Trigger · 17-07-2017 07:21PM

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

I imagine the club are thinking that if he has another good season then despite his lower release clause there will be a whole host of top clubs after him. Plus Liverpool may or may not be in the CL the season after next.

That's fair enough. I still think it's a massive risk to take from a Finance point of view.

On the other hand the club need to show that they are supporting the manager after he got them into the CL

martyos121 · 17-07-2017 07:55PM

According to SSN just now, PSG are willing to meet Neymar's £195m release clause, wow.

Brendan Flowers · 17-07-2017 08:01PM

There was a fair bit of talk about Inter needing to meet FFP rules before the end of June. But I thought Financial Fair Play had been done away with a few years back. And if not, how come the likes of Man City are able to go on huge spending sprees now without it being mentioned, yet a few years back they were always struggling to meet the FFP rules?

TitianGerm · 17-07-2017 08:18PM

Brendan Flowers wrote: »

There was a fair bit of talk about Inter needing to meet FFP rules before the end of June. But I thought Financial Fair Play had been done away with a few years back. And if not, how come the likes of Man City are able to go on huge spending sprees now without it being mentioned, yet a few years back they were always struggling to meet the FFP rules?

City signed a load of sponsorship deals over the last few years with Abu Dhabi companies I think.

Summer transfer thread 17/18 season (NEYMAR TALK IN OTHER THREAD)

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