Sexism you have personally experienced or have heard of? READ POST 1

silverharp · 06-07-2017 09:51AM

Sleepy wrote: »

Nevermind that: can you even put together a full festival line-up of female only acts?

I'm sure it's possible if you drudge the bottom of the barrell talent wise to pad out the line-up but even if you book the big solo female artists (Annie Lennox, Florence & The Machine, Lana Del Rey, Lady Ga Ga, Beyoncé, Lorde, Adele etc.) they're likely to have men in their backing bands? Maybe it'd be possible to get them female session musicians to sub in for the weekend but then, would you get great performances? Would there even be enough top class female drummers for hire to go around or would the same few women end up playing with half the line-up?

My suspicion is that any festival that was 100% female, wouldn't be worth attending.

it would keep the crazies out of circulation but yeah it would be a cr@p and poorly attended

In reality no doubt the problem is men that follow a certain desert based religion, but the feminists cant admit that. Public safety for women in Sweden is only going to get worse in the future and it wont be Nils or Erik's fault. Sod them you get what you vote for

lazybones32 · 06-07-2017 10:03AM

silverharp wrote: »

I wonder who will build the stage, lighting etc? :pac:

Or maintain and empty the portapotty? (assuming said feminists can unclench their anuses for more than 2mins)

Sleepy · 06-07-2017 10:11AM

cantdecide wrote: »

Well, the incumbent feminist establishment lobby has been doing much to ensure that your daughter is more likely to attend college than your son. At least if she does a sociology degree she can convert to a primary teaching degree and help teach young boys that they're worth less applause than girls for the same or greater effort and they're full of disgusting stuff like testosterone which explains their bad behaviour... and the circle completes itself from there.

She'll be better raised than that and is currently far more interested in the idea of a career in veterinary or zoology.

Luckily her brother is a born engineer (loves maths, building things and Coder Dojo). He'll have to work hard in college, but I'd have no fear of him not making it there.

seamus · 06-07-2017 01:38PM

Panthro wrote: »

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4668228/Two-women-jailed-sickening-torture-internet-date.html

Nearly killed a vulnerable man?
That'll be 28months in prison.

No where near good enough

I see what you're saying and in general sentencing for women is known to be more lenient. However, here's a not dissimilar case where a guy attacked his ex in her bed, told her he'd kill her and then beat her unconscious.

While her children screamed and cried outside the door.

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2017/0706/888237-robert-maguire-court/

Fncker still only got 2 years, which seems consistent with what these women got (albeit in a different jurisdiction).

If anything it shows that the psychos who engage in such savagery don't get nearly enough jail time, regardless of gender.

Outlaw Pete · 06-07-2017 01:51PM

In fairness, Seamus, for every guy that gets a lenient sentence, there's 50 women getting similar (not an exact stat... but you get my meaning).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usq-IHT5ARc

JRant · 06-07-2017 01:56PM

Sleepy wrote: »

Nevermind that: can you even put together a full festival line-up of female only acts?

I'm sure it's possible if you drudge the bottom of the barrell talent wise to pad out the line-up but even if you book the big solo female artists (Annie Lennox, Florence & The Machine, Lana Del Rey, Lady Ga Ga, Beyoncé, Lorde, Adele etc.) they're likely to have men in their backing bands? Maybe it'd be possible to get them female session musicians to sub in for the weekend but then, would you get great performances? Would there even be enough top class female drummers for hire to go around or would the same few women end up playing with half the line-up?

My suspicion is that any festival that was 100% female, wouldn't be worth attending.

More importantly, who will go to the bar for all these ladies???

gizmo555 · 06-07-2017 04:02PM

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

In fairness, Seamus, for every guy that gets a lenient sentence, there's 50 women getting similar (not an exact stat... but you get my meaning).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usq-IHT5ARc

The poster girl for this in Ireland is Norma Cotter. She and her husband were out on the town drinking in Midleton. He went home earlier than her while she stayed out drinking for a further three hours. When she did get home, Gary Cotter objected to her vomiting in their bedroom and there was an argument about who'd collect their child from his grandparents' house in the morning.

Later, while he slept, Norma shot her husband dead because, as she told her father, "he kept nagging her".

Norma was charged with murder but ultimately convicted of manslaughter. She got a 3 and a half year sentence. The judge reduced the sentence, among other reasons, because she two children to care for - including the son whose father she slaughtered as he slept.

Is there the remotest possibility that if the roles were reversed and Gary Cotter killed his wife and the mother of his child for nagging him, he would have escaped a murder conviction and a life sentence?

JupiterKid · 06-07-2017 05:09PM

The justice system does treat men and women very differently and that can be a problem. Women tend to get more lenient sentences, particularly with respect to crimes perpetrated on their own families and whilst sometimes there is justification for that, in many cases it is just wrong.

Sn@kebite · 07-07-2017 12:50AM

seamus wrote: »

While her children screamed and cried outside the door.

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2017/0706/888237-robert-maguire-court/

Fncker still only got 2 years, which seems consistent with what these women got (albeit in a different jurisdiction).

If anything it shows that the psychos who engage in such savagery don't get nearly enough jail time, regardless of gender.

This looks like a bit of a derail. You can't compare the leniency in the gender sentencing by cases of men getting light sentences. Because it's making it into a case by case issue which gender-based sentencing is most certainly not.

Men often do get light sentences, however it would not be as systematic. The legal system is more based on male rulers passing laws to protect women from men so when women commit crimes which are seen as "male crimes" they are not going to be sentenced the same based on social views of women as damsels and not dangerous etc..

For eg. If we take murder as a crime. While society knows women can commit murder, women are not in general seen as murderers. Whereas men are because men as associated with danger and wickedness. This means when a woman commits murder she is not really 'seen' as an evil killer who killed to assert power and control over a victim. So she will be not treated like a male murderer. It is viewed as a aberration that a female commits said "male crime" so it is often not taken seriously or assumed she was provoked or pushed into it. I.E. women cannot be charged with rape. In Ireland a girl cannot be charged with statutory rape either only a boy can. Which also explains why women only make up 5% of prison inmates, rape and sex abuse is seen as a "man's crime".

However if we look at specific crimes women are more likely to commit (false allegation) in some cases they are not even recognized as crimes or not treated as such. I.E. A woman can falsely accuse a man of rape and he can even commit suicide or deal with psychological trauma while a man can rape a woman and she can commit suicide from the trauma. So they can have devastating consequences but the sentence the woman can get even if maximum sentence will never be as high as what the man can get for rape. even if both parties have committed suicide. So women are benefiting from this because false allegations are seen as a "woman's crime" so has lesser punishment attached to it. If we look a domestic violence a woman can be an abuser and murder her male partner and with no evidence of his abuse state she was emotionally abused by him and get a sentence lowered to involuntary manslaughter. A male cannot do this.

seamus · 07-07-2017 09:21AM

Sn@kebite wrote: »

This looks like a bit of a derail. You can't compare the leniency in the gender sentencing by cases of men getting light sentences.
Because it's making it into a case by case issue which gender-based sentencing is most certainly not.

Right. So I was quoting a post which was a single example of women getting a lenient sentence. And I was showing that it probably wasn't because they were women.

Like you say, it's not a case-by-case issue, but one where you need to look at the stats as a whole.

A single case is not a statistic, so throwing out single examples of women getting off lightly like the one I quoted, or the one about Norma Cotter is nothing really to do with sexism against men.

This is also why I despise certain quarters of feminism turning individual cases (like the guy in court at the moment) into gender issues simply because the victim was a woman and the perp is a man. It's only a gender issue when gender is a factor.

ligerdub · 07-07-2017 09:23AM

seamus wrote:

Like you say, it's not a case-by-case issue, but one where you need to look at the stats as a whole.

Which come to much the same conclusion to be fair.

py2006 · 10-07-2017 07:39PM

Louise O'Neill and Una Mullally will LOVE the new tv series, 'The Mist' based on the Stephen King novella.

In the first 20mins of Ep1 we have mention of white male privilege, a man beating up a woman, classic alpha-male homophobia, a husband going against his wife's wishes and allowing daughter to go to a party, girl gets drugged and raped, immediately not believed by town and of course two (white) cops beating on a black guy. Very, very anti white male sentiment so far.

Lots of cliched, liberal, lefty dialogue is cringe-worthy. As a King fan, I can't recall the novella being like that.

It has been picked up elsewhere to:

In just this first episode alone, we have Eve Copeland (Alyssa Sutherland) being fired from a high school for teaching a sex-ed class with condoms, black soldier Bryan Hunt (Okezie Morro) being manhandled and thrown in jail by white police officers, a pansexual student who isn’t attracted to “gender” but “personality” and is shunned by his dad for wearing makeup, and an entire town that doesn’t believe a girl’s been raped since, after all, the accused is a high school quarterback who also happens to be the police chief’s son.

silverharp · 10-07-2017 07:58PM

I had to laugh at this article, the lack of awareness is awe inspiring.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/07/04/shortage-eligible-men-has-left-women-taking-desperate-steps/

Shortage of eligible men has left women taking desperate steps to preserve their fertility, experts say

Laura Donnelly, health editor
4 JULY 2017 • 10:00PM
A dearth of marriagable men has left an “oversupply” of educated women taking desperate steps to preserve their fertility, experts say.

The first global study into egg freezing found that shortages of eligible men were the prime reason why women had attempted to take matters into their own hands.

Experts said “terrifying” demographic shifts had created a “deficit” of educated men and a growing problem of “leftover” professional women, with female graduates vastly outnumbering males in in many countries.

PucaMama · 10-07-2017 08:16PM

py2006 wrote: »

Louise O'Neill and Una Mullally will LOVE the new tv series, 'The Mist' based on the Stephen King novella.

In the first 20mins of Ep1 we have mention of white male privilege, a man beating up a woman, classic alpha-male homophobia, a husband going against his wife's wishes and allowing daughter to go to a party, girl gets drugged and raped, immediately not believed by town and of course two (white) cops beating on a black guy. Very, very anti white male sentiment so far.

Lots of cliched, liberal, lefty dialogue is cringe-worthy. As a King fan, I can't recall the novella being like that.

It has been picked up elsewhere to:

In just this first episode alone, we have Eve Copeland (Alyssa Sutherland) being fired from a high school for teaching a sex-ed class with condoms, black soldier Bryan Hunt (Okezie Morro) being manhandled and thrown in jail by white police officers, a pansexual student who isn’t attracted to “gender” but “personality” and is shunned by his dad for wearing makeup, and an entire town that doesn’t believe a girl’s been raped since, after all, the accused is a high school quarterback who also happens to be the police chief’s son.

No surprises there so. The "remake" of the handmaids tale was ruined in the same way.

kunst nugget · 10-07-2017 08:49PM

maybe

PucaMama wrote: »

No surprises there so. The "remake" of the handmaids tale was ruined in the same way.

I'm struggling to figure out how the Handmaids Tale has been ruined by the series. Its tone is completely faithful to the book.

mzungu · 10-07-2017 08:58PM

PucaMama wrote: »

No surprises there so. The "remake" of the handmaids tale was ruined in the same way.

You reckon? I must say I enjoyed the remake. I think they have been quite even handed in showing how both genders might behave in a post-apocalyptic scenario.

kunst nugget · 10-07-2017 09:23PM

maybe

mzungu wrote: »

You reckon? I must say I enjoyed the remake. I think they have been quite even handed in showing how both genders might behave in a post-apocalyptic scenario.

It's probably the best TV show I've seen in the last five years.

Carlos Orange · 10-07-2017 09:26PM

No

silverharp wrote: »

I had to laugh at this article, the lack of awareness is awe inspiring.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/07/04/shortage-eligible-men-has-left-women-taking-desperate-steps/

I'm seeing a fair few articles about this the last while.
Strangely not so many about the gender in balance in education that causes men to be less educated and problems that might cause.

If I was an Irish women looking to marry I'd be more worried that the gender ratio in Ireland 30-34 is more skewed than it is in China (apostate direction obviously). 13 women for every 12 men makes slim picking for the last women even if she is willing to marry an uneducated oaf.

ligerdub · 10-07-2017 09:30PM

psinno wrote: »

I'm seeing a fair few articles about this the last while.
Strangely not so many about the gender in balance in education that causes men to be less educated and problems that might cause.

If I was an Irish women looking to marry I'd be more worried that the gender ratio in Ireland 30-34 is more skewed than it is in China (apostate direction obviously). 13 women for every 12 men makes slim picking for the last women even if she is willing to marry an uneducated oaf.

Dopey lads are never short of women.

deaddonkey15 · 10-07-2017 10:15PM

silverharp wrote: »

I had to laugh at this article, the lack of awareness is awe inspiring.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/07/04/shortage-eligible-men-has-left-women-taking-desperate-steps/

Last year less than 105,000 male 18-year-olds started university, compared with almost 135,000 females, UCAS figures show, with more women than men on two-thirds of courses.

We don't hear that stat come out too often when there's noise about how we need more women in science and engineering.

Pawwed Rig · 11-07-2017 05:10AM

Story highlighting that homelessness affects men far more than women

https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0711/889266-homeless/

PucaMama · 11-07-2017 06:45AM

kunst nugget wrote: »

mzungu wrote: »

You reckon? I must say I enjoyed the remake. I think they have been quite even handed in showing how both genders might behave in a post-apocalyptic scenario.

It's probably the best TV show I've seen in the last five years.

The handmaids tale is more dystopian than post apocalyptic.

They changed far too much from the book to include certain groups. The book was way better.

kazamo · 11-07-2017 08:32AM

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

Story highlighting that homelessness affects men far more than women

https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0711/889266-homeless/

And the aim of the contributor was to see us aim for similar stats as other European countries where female homelessness is in 20-30% range.
Apparently 70% male homelessness elsewhere is not a problem but 42% female homelessness is.

kunst nugget · 11-07-2017 08:39AM

maybe

PucaMama wrote: »

The handmaids tale is more dystopian than post apocalyptic.

They changed far too much from the book to include certain groups. The book was way better.

I read the book fairly recently and while I thought the book was great, the series is a more well-rounded experience imo. The creation of Gilead is deftly handled in the show. The latter episodes of the series show how men are just as straitjacketed by the paranoia of the new republic as women.

As for certain groups being included, I presume you're talking about lesbians and black people. In Atwood's book any non-white people were expelled from Gilead iirc but the showrunners altered it slightly because they felt in a desperate post fertile world, any woman that can bear a child would be used as a Handmaiden - which makes sense to me. The society is still disgusted by gender traitors like Ofglen, as shown by Aunt Lydia's treatment of her, but they are so desperate to keep producing babies that they will use these women if they are fertile. Tbf, when Atwood first wrote the book over thirty years ago, lesbians marrying and having children as part of everyday society was not a possibility - I think including this in it helps to show how far the pendulum has swung in the opposite direction. The episode with the Mexican Ambassador shows that fertility is a worldwide problem and everyone seems willing to make deals with the devil to try and solve it. Offred's friend, Moira, was a lesbian in the book iirc.

I was skeptical about the series when it was first announced but I think it's been a complete success.

silverharp · 11-07-2017 08:54AM

psinno wrote: »

I'm seeing a fair few articles about this the last while.
Strangely not so many about the gender in balance in education that causes men to be less educated and problems that might cause.

If I was an Irish women looking to marry I'd be more worried that the gender ratio in Ireland 30-34 is more skewed than it is in China (apostate direction obviously). 13 women for every 12 men makes slim picking for the last women even if she is willing to marry an uneducated oaf.

On the face of it 13 to 12 doesn't sound that bad but it would be "worse" for women that are higher earning because they think they are entitled to a high earning man as per the article (well they call it education) whereas in reality men don't see it that way so these women have set a course for cats instead of having a family

ligerdub · 11-07-2017 09:39AM

"The study - 'Women's Homelessness in Europe' "

an unbiased project no doubt.

"It says the true overall picture is likely to be worse as women are less likely to register as homeless for fear of being stigmatised."

Hmmmmmmm, citation needed!

11-07-2017 10:04AM

ligerdub wrote: »

"The study - 'Women's Homelessness in Europe' "

an unbiased project no doubt.

"It says the true overall picture is likely to be worse as women are less likely to register as homeless for fear of being stigmatised."

Hmmmmmmm, citation needed!

Like stigmatised to the point of speaking to the European parliament and being a talking head at every opportunity.

Pawwed Rig · 11-07-2017 10:32AM

kazamo wrote: »

And the aim of the contributor was to see us aim for similar stats as other European countries where female homelessness is in 20-30% range.
Apparently 70% male homelessness elsewhere is not a problem but 42% female homelessness is.

So should we make more men homeless or just house women at the expense of men. Difficult one. Quotas might be an option.

kunst nugget · 11-07-2017 10:37AM

maybe

I remember hearing from someone before that being declared homeless pushed you automatically to the top of the housing list in Dublin. Would this maybe explain why the numbers are a bit skewed in Ireland compared to other EU countries?

seamus · 11-07-2017 10:48AM

ligerdub wrote: »

"It says the true overall picture is likely to be worse as women are less likely to register as homeless for fear of being stigmatised."

Hmmmmmmm, citation needed!

Definitely citation needed there. IMO, toxic masculinity makes it far less likely that men would register as homeless for fear of being stigmatised.

The discrepancies in male -v- female figures are most likely down to children. Women are more likely to have children in their care, so when in need of housing, a woman and her children (or indeed a man and his children) will automatically take priority over everyone else on the list.

And rightly so. The end result being that men are far more likely to be homeless than women.

What I think would be interesting would be study on the response to familial homelessness in relation to the gender of the parents. We often see stories in the rags about a homeless single mother accompanied by pictures. I don't think I've ever seen a story about a homeless single father.

I wonder if the authorities tend to tell single fathers to put the children in care or send them to their mother, but single mothers are automatically placed in emergency accommodation rather than separated from their kids?

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