Crime rates

thestar wrote: »

Looking at buying a house in a particular area so trying to find out as much as I can about the place. Just looking at crime stats here on the CSO but just curious if you can search for crime stats for a particular area?

Have a chat with a Garda sergeant in the locality

You could try doing a search (e.g. "area" dublin assaulted) or substitute assaulted for robbery or shot and see what sort of results you get.
Not an exact science, but it would give some idea of what is going on in a particular area.

Fun fact, there are (or were) more public order issues in Donnybrook than Finglas. Would you look at the stats for D5 and conclude the Howth road must be an undesirable place to live?

It only takes being murdered once.

Crime and an area will usually be reflected in the house price. If it's lower than a Km or so away, there's a reason for it.

Dr Ben wrote: »

The crime stats are BS just like the breathalyzer stats.

They always like to claim crime is "going down" when its only going up.

Perceptions aren't always reality.

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

Crime has been steadily decreasing but when you look at the stats there are some marked increases in certain crimes. It's a well documented facts that people's perceptions of crime are totally different to what's going on. It really only takes the lawn mower to be pinched for someone to think robberies are rampant.

It's a pretty good week and very little has happened also doesn;t sell many newspapers.

30 years ago it was very unusual for criminals to have 50 plus convictions but now it's common place.

The idea that crime is "going down" is laughable in the extreme.

Another problem we didnt have 30 years ago is the large numbers of foreign criminals committing crime.

About 20% of criminals in the Irish prison system come from outside Ireland.

With all the recent Garda scandals I don't know why anyone would believe the official crime statistics. They are nothing but a work of fiction.

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

30 years ago was 1987 - there we're plenty of scumbags in 1987, even 40 years back or 50 years back the UK at least would have seen plenty of petty criminals with many convictions. Perhaps it was different here 50 years ago, certainly wasn't in the 80s.

As for foreign criminals I really fail to see your point. Should I expect a better sort of rape, assault or burglar from an Irishman. We've a larger number of foreigners so a larger number of crimes. We've also a larger law abiding population.

Unless you're able to back up your claims with more than 'it must be true' I'm afraid I have to continue to believe the overwhelming evidence presented worldwide that the general public always think there is a crime wave.

For ****s and giggles 83,358 indictable crimes committed in 1987. Crimes are now reported differently but in 2014 there were roughly 70K crimes of an equivalent nature, some of those wouldn't be indictable (serious) offenses like the 1987 stats. So we're already 12.5% probably more like 20% down on 1987.

(2014 being the last consolidated stats I could find with 5 minutes and google).

Only 10 years ago we had more Garda stations than we have now.

Just by closing down Garda stations you will see a drop in the amount of recorded crime but that doesnt mean crime is actually down.

But leaving that aside why should we believe any "statistics" released by the Gardai given all the recent scandals ?



http://www.thejournal.ie/breath-test-3304187-Mar2017/

thestar wrote: »

I am surprised though that crime stats for particular areas are not easily attainable on the census website.

The census doesn't have any questions relating to crime.

Even 20 years ago we didn't have East European gangs here roaming the country.

With all the foreign criminals we have now as well as our own scumbags it could can only mean that crime is higher than it was in the past.

Former Garda John Wilson says that Ireland is now a a dumping ground for Eastern European Criminals who have no fear of getting caught.

Heres what he said...

In Ireland we must accept everybody , we must accept every scrounger , every criminal , every murderer , every robber , every rapist and by the way thats not an exaggeration , some very evil people have travelled into this country over the last number of years , any attempt to debate these issues are shut down by our media , nobody wants to engage in any proper debate , when somebody does raise the issue they are labelled racist , for such a well educated people we are very very stupid and dumb in this area

I'm afraid I'm not aware of the heroin scene in Ireland in the 80s, but in the UK it was pretty bad, worse than now as it was seen as a fashionable/rebellious drug, of course for a realy good number of users we'd have to go back to when it was a recognised brand, but now I'm just being nostalgic! :pac:

In 2007 the heroin issue was as bad as it is now. They just used to congregate around Wood Quay instead.

As for gangs of Eastern Europeans, I'm not aware of any such gangs, except the ones working their bollocks off doing the job better than the natives, similar to the Irish in England. Roma - okay well aware of them but the vast majority of the time their biggest crime is begging.

As for being labeled a racist for poor ol' Garda Wilson, surely he of all people appreciates the irony of stereotypes are stereotypes for a reason.

The stats (which you don't believe - fair enough) and the academic literature simply do not bear out you're position, now that's not to say you aren't correct in pointing out there are some serious problems which have become more prominent, including incompetence (at best) by members of AGS and more brazen junkies. However I find people are very rarely willing to offer any well thought out solutions.

Dr Ben wrote: »

3 strikes and you're out would be a solution to career criminals along with building more prisons.

I would also get rid of all the current judges and put the victims of crime at the centre of the justice system.

I think you'll find if you look at those two policies both of them have been complete failures, creating more crime and more victims of more serious crimes.

I would suggest watching the BBC Documentary mini-series 'American Justice'. It gives a very good look at some of the unintended consequences of good intentions.

If you're willing to stup up an extra 5% or so in come tax to do what you're suggesting we could use it to make a real impact of the Irish prison system and start tackling some of the issues. I'm not sure you'd like what a modern prison would, and should, look like though which is more like a hospital than a centre of punishment.

Dr Ben wrote: »

The Philippines have the right idea when it comes to a low cost prison model.

You don't have to spend a fortune to create thousands of new prison places.

Guatemala and some of the other Latin American countries just douse you down in petrol and set you on fire there and then, recently enough in Guatemala they did that to a 16 year old girl.

Given that level of 'deterrent', horrible prison conditions taken to the absolute extreme, why do these countries still have crime? Surely by your logic we just cram people in until they can't even lie down and problem solved, and before you answer, poorer country crimes of necessity etc. How do you explain the United States?

The Philippines and the US have exactly the wrong model, repeated the world over, for dealing with crime rates. Norway is what you're looking for:

http://uk.businessinsider.com/why-norways-prison-system-is-so-successful-2014-12?r=US&IR=T

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

Guatemala and some of the other Latin American countries just douse you down in petrol and set you on fire there and then, recently enough in Guatemala they did that to a 16 year old girl.

Given that level of 'deterrent', horrible prison conditions taken to the absolute extreme, why do these countries still have crime? Surely by your logic we just cram people in until they can't even lie down and problem solved, and before you answer, poorer country crimes of necessity etc. How do you explain the United States?

The Philippines and the US have exactly the wrong model, repeated the world over, for dealing with crime rates. Norway is what you're looking for:

http://uk.businessinsider.com/why-norways-prison-system-is-so-successful-2014-12?r=US&IR=T

America has its own racial problems which feed into crime.

That is one of the major down sides of living in a multicultural society.

Certain ethnic groups are predisposed to crime.

Lazy journalists will link the crime to the Garda station that covers the area

Local toerag arrested and taken to Coolock station but that station covers a huge area

Dr Ben wrote: »

Certain ethnic groups are predisposed to crime.

No. Crime is strongly linked to poverty. Poverty is linked to certain social groups. Certain social groups have been consistently discriminated against.

Your racism causes crime.