LGBTQIA+

Panthro · 09-07-2017 12:22AM

It's like watching a round of Countdown.

snowflaker · 09-07-2017 12:22AM

mynamejeff wrote: »

ya every has to be something spiceal these days dont they ?

fcuking snowflakes

why cant gay peopl ebe gay people trans be trans etc etc

it seems to ee the SJW types that make all the noise about this sort of thing , i know lots of gay people who are just happy and dont feel the need to shout about it

grow up folks your insecurities are showing .....................

Are you giving out about the use of labels an acronyms...???

LadyMacBeth_ · 09-07-2017 12:26AM

LGBT covers it, the rest is nonsense.

Pan sexual? Same as bi. Queer? Same as gay/lesbian, it really isn't necessary.

JRant · 09-07-2017 01:01AM

Blackalicious said it best

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MvPnM2Q1nwU

mullyboyee · 09-07-2017 02:11AM

I don't see how the T is related to the LGB sexual orientations?

Disregarding the other add-ons which I've never even heard of.

Although I'm neither in an American college nor do I spend my whole life on the internet so that's excusable.

Noveight · 09-07-2017 02:19AM

mullyboyee wrote: »

I don't see how the T is related to the LGB sexual orientations?

Good point, it's probably easier for these groups to band together under the one rainbow flag as they share similar grievances with society. Rights, recognition, etc.

BlaasForRafa · 09-07-2017 06:59AM

LadyMacBeth_ wrote: »

LGBT covers it, the rest is nonsense.

Pan sexual? Same as bi. Queer? Same as gay/lesbian, it really isn't necessary.

Seems like the expansion in the acronym came at the same time as the rise in intersectionality and the desperate need for some to indentify themselves to a ridiculous extent. If you identify as a black feminist muslim disabled trans person then you've really hit the jackpot in the intersectional stakes.

TheDriver · 09-07-2017 08:04AM

If it includes nearly everything bar 100% heterosexual, then according to Kinsey, vast vast majority of us are included in this.

The Rape of Lucretia · 09-07-2017 08:06AM

The '+' always seems a little sneaky to me : just put the 'P' rather than being coy and discriminating against Paedophiles.

Mod-banned

Wibbs · 09-07-2017 09:20AM

Sonics2k wrote: »

When it comes down to it in combat, you really don't care about the sexuality, gender, sexual orientation or skin colour, you just want to know they have your back.

Depends on the combat involved. When it comes down to it in infantry type combat, basically you want a very fit man in his twenties, sexuality or skin colour unimportant.

uck51js9zml2yt · 09-07-2017 09:33AM

Why cant they just be referred to as people like the rest of us?
What's the agenda in the use of all the letters of the alphabet?

Wibbs · 09-07-2017 09:37AM

TheDriver wrote: »

If it includes nearly everything bar 100% heterosexual, then according to Kinsey, vast vast majority of us are included in this.

Kinsey while a pioneer, was also more than a bit lax with his methodology. His notion that sexuality was a continuum and fluid is more than a little bogus. It was a radical conclusion at the time and certainly helped create more acceptance for non heterosexuals, but more recent research and approaches have questioned this and found it wanting. Rather than the sliding scale Kinsey favoured(which is illogical on even the most scant of enquiry). In basic terms the majority of humans are heterosexual, while a minority are homosexual(with more complexity going on the latter group). There is some overlap, but it's nothing like the sliding scale and fluidity that Kinsey and those who quote him claim.

Wibbs · 09-07-2017 09:39AM

Rylee Quaint Row wrote: »

Why cant they just be referred to as people like the rest of us?

Because again in basic terms, they haven't been treated like "normal people" for most of human history. It makes perfect sense that a) such a group would suffer more from mental illnesses than the background population and b) that once they reached some threshold of acceptance that they would band together and self identify as a particular group within society.

Cantona's Collars · 09-07-2017 09:43AM

Rylee Quaint Row wrote: »

Why cant they just be referred to as people like the rest of us?
What's the agenda in the use of all the letters of the alphabet?

"We want to be classed as equal to straight people, yet we put these stupid labels on ourselves to stand out."

That mentality just annoys me,it's probably a few very vocal and noisy activists who come up with all these names.I'm not a big fan of Al Porter who is loud and proud to the point of tiresome about his sexuality but even he's tired of all this alphabet soup labelling now.
What next,another letter added on for gay/bi/not sure Travellers,Asians,Blacks,Dubs,Culchies?
I don't care,if your name is John or Jane doe and you are a different sexuality than straight then I'll just call you John or Jane,keep your labels for somebody who cares.

Captain Obvious · 09-07-2017 09:47AM

Does the + mean everyone else? Does that not marganilise people who fall within it? It's like saying they aren't really worth a letter and will just be grouped in together.

Cantona's Collars · 09-07-2017 09:50AM

Wibbs wrote: »

Because again in basic terms, they haven't been treated like "normal people" for most of human history. It makes perfect sense that a) such a group would suffer more from mental illnesses than the background population and b) that once they reached some threshold of acceptance that they would band together and self identify as a particular group within society.

And now that they are ( in normal,civilised societies) they want to be treated differently, even on Channel 4's weekend of Gay programming, one contributed was moaning that it's boring these days as people just consider gay people as just people,the character is gone from his lifestyle and "there's no sense of danger". Welcome to normal,everyday humdrum life my good Sir, would you like a letter to go after your name to make you feel special? Get up the yard.

Grayson · 09-07-2017 09:55AM

Wibbs wrote: »

Depends on the combat involved. When it comes down to it in infantry type combat, basically you want a very fit man in his twenties, sexuality or skin colour unimportant.

Say that to the Israelis and watch the women kick your ass

Cantona's Collars · 09-07-2017 10:07AM

Grayson wrote: »

Say that to the Israelis and watch the women kick your ass

In fairness, they have some fine wimmins in their army.
Maybe that's what the IA+ stands for.

Wibbs · 09-07-2017 10:08AM

zerks wrote: »

And now that they are ( in normal,civilised societies) they want to be treated differently, even on Channel 4's weekend of Gay programming, one contributed was moaning that it's boring these days as people just consider gay people as just people,the character is gone from his lifestyle and "there's no sense of danger". Welcome to normal,everyday humdrum life my good Sir, would you like a letter to go after your name to make you feel special? Get up the yard.

Consider the source; the media and media types. They're a source that's almost guaranteed to be whinging/controversial because it keeps them in the public eye. You see that with heterosexual notice boxes in the media too and we wouldn't judge heterosexuals by those muppets would we?

Grayson wrote: »

Say that to the Israelis and watch the women kick your ass

Yeah, and no. There are many examples of women in combat being bloody useful. EG Soviet snipers in WW2, but often they were as much a PR stunt too. The plain fact is when the poo hits the fan in infantry combat the demographic of young fit men will in the vast majority of cases annihilate the opposition of any other demographic.

Grayson · 09-07-2017 10:14AM

zerks wrote: »

"We want to be classed as equal to straight people, yet we put these stupid labels on ourselves to stand out."

That mentality just annoys me,it's probably a few very vocal and noisy activists who come up with all these names.I'm not a big fan of Al Porter who is loud and proud to the point of tiresome about his sexuality but even he's tired of all this alphabet soup labelling now.
What next,another letter added on for gay/bi/not sure Travellers,Asians,Blacks,Dubs,Culchies?
I don't care,if your name is John or Jane doe and you are a different sexuality than straight then I'll just call you John or Jane,keep your labels for somebody who cares.

It's because of GLBT movements that you feel that way. Just over 20 years ago people could still be arrested because they had gay sex in Ireland. It's very recent that they can get married. There was massive discrimination against them. There's still discrimination against them in some quarters (although it's pretty rare).

In the new place I'm working a hungarian guy said that he'd never been to a pride march. He said that if he went to one his family and friends would ask questions and there's always a chance some far right nutjob would beat him up. He's straight and married btw.

In Ireland we're lucky that we don't have those attitudes any more. It may be that the true sign that a movement has made an impact is when people don't care.

Still the marches and stuff are important to remember what it was like and celebrate what it is now.

diomed · 09-07-2017 10:22AM

Is everyone else a CDEFHJKMNOPRSUVWXYZ ?

uck51js9zml2yt · 09-07-2017 10:26AM

diomed wrote: »

Is everyone else a CDEFHJKMNOPRSUVWXYZ ?

you forgot "-"

But seriously. They wanted equality, they got it and now they want to be seen as different. I'm sorry but they alphabet soupers need to grow up and get on with life like the rest of us.
Its the way you show your the same, by living life like the rest of society

Annasopra · 09-07-2017 10:33AM

diomed wrote: »

Is everyone else a CDEFHJKMNOPRSUVWXYZ ?

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Annasopra · 09-07-2017 10:35AM

Rylee Quaint Row wrote: »

you forgot "-"

But seriously. They wanted equality, they got it and now they want to be seen as different. I'm sorry but they alphabet soupers need to grow up and get on with life like the rest of us.
Its the way you show your the same, by living life like the rest of society

Equality isnt about being the same. I am a gay man. I am different. That does not mean I am not equal.

Cantona's Collars · 09-07-2017 10:36AM

Grayson wrote: »

It's because of GLBT movements that you feel that way. Just over 20 years ago people could still be arrested because they had gay sex in Ireland. It's very recent that they can get married. There was massive discrimination against them. There's still discrimination against them in some quarters (although it's pretty rare).

In the new place I'm working a hungarian guy said that he'd never been to a pride march. He said that if he went to one his family and friends would ask questions and there's always a chance some far right nutjob would beat him up. He's straight and married btw.

In Ireland we're lucky that we don't have those attitudes any more. It may be that the true sign that a movement has made an impact is when people don't care.

Still the marches and stuff are important to remember what it was like and celebrate what it is now.

Thankfully we are more tolerant than Eastern Europe/Russia. People here don't care for labels so much.
It seems like everything has to have a label and representative group, not just lgbt. I think for some it's just a means of fulfilling their sense of self importance and get themselves in the public eye.

gizmo81 · 09-07-2017 10:38AM

George Weinberg on homophobia

“I coined the word homophobia to mean it was a phobia about homosexuals,” Dr. Weinberg told Gregory M. Herek, a professor of psychology at the University of California, Davis, in 1998. “It was a fear of homosexuals which seemed to be associated with a fear of contagion, a fear of reducing the things one fought for — home and family. It was a religious fear, and it had led to great brutality, as fear always does.”

Heterosexism:

Heterosexism is a system of attitudes, bias, and discrimination in favor of opposite-sex sexuality and relationships. It can include the presumption that other people are heterosexual or that opposite-sex attractions and relationships are the only norm and therefore superior.

Heteronormativity: (Warner, Rubin, Rich)

Heteronormativity is the belief that people fall into distinct and complementary genders (male and female) with natural roles in life. It assumes that heterosexuality is the only sexual orientation or only norm, and that sexual and marital relations are most (or only) fitting between people of opposite sexes. A "heteronormative" view therefore involves alignment of biological sex, sexuality, gender identity and gender roles. Heteronormativity is often linked to heterosexism and homophobia.

Lisa Duggan Homonormativity:

"A politics that does not contest dominant heteronormative assumptions and institutions, but upholds and sustains them, while promising the possibility of a demobilized gay constituency and a privatized, depoliticized gay culture anchored in domesticity and consumption" )

uck51js9zml2yt · 09-07-2017 10:41AM

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Equality isnt about being the same. I am a gay man. I am different. That does not mean I am not equal.

so what! Your a human being like the rest of us. You wanted the same rights as the rest of society. You wanted marriage, adoption etc. You got it now get on with life like the rest of society and stop telling us how different you are.

Annasopra · 09-07-2017 10:47AM

Rylee Quaint Row wrote: »

so what! Your a human being like the rest of us. You wanted the same rights as the rest of society. You wanted marriage, adoption etc. You got it now get on with life like the rest of society and stop telling us how different you are.

As I just said. Equality is not sameness.

Cantona's Collars · 09-07-2017 10:49AM

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Equality isnt about being the same. I am a gay man. I am different. That does not mean I am not equal.

Do you piss standing up,go to work, pay taxes,buy groceries,watch TV,walk,run,cycle,drive, take the bus?
You aren't different, you are still a man,attracted to other men but still a man.You are as equal as I am to other men no more,no less.We all die in the end which is a great equaliser.

bodice ripper · 09-07-2017 10:52AM

Rylee Quaint Row wrote:

But seriously. They wanted equality, they got it and now they want to be seen as different. I'm sorry but they alphabet soupers need to grow up and get on with life like the rest of us. Its the way you show your the same, by living life like the rest of society

You are doing it too.

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