CNN tracks down random reddit meme poster and threatens to release his information

ohnonotgmail · 05-07-2017 11:30AM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Everybody has the right to freedom of speech, troll or not. The media engaging in blackmail of any kind is fundamentally undemocratic and unjournalistic.

i dont think you understand what freedom of speech means. releasing his name would not impinge on that right.

hatrickpatrick · 05-07-2017 11:32AM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

i dont think you understand what freedom of speech means. releasing his name would not impinge on that right.

Telling somebody to "stop speaking or else" goes against the spirit of it, as should be more than obvious.

Had they just doxxed him, I wouldn't be regarding it as a violation of freedom of speech. It's the fact that they're saying "we will refrain from releasing it as long as you change your speech" that makes it a violation.

ohnonotgmail · 05-07-2017 11:33AM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Telling somebody to "stop speaking or else" goes against the spirit of it, as should be more than obvious.

Had they just doxxed him, I wouldn't be regarding it as a violation of freedom of speech. It's the fact that they're saying "we will refrain from releasing it as long as you change your speech" that makes it a violation.

it aint a violation of nothing.

Hank Scorpio · 05-07-2017 11:33AM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

he raised his head above the parapet.

No he didn't.

Hank Scorpio · 05-07-2017 11:34AM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

it aint a violation of nothing.

That so?

https://twitter.com/JulianAssange/status/882480814499536897

Penn · 05-07-2017 11:35AM

https://twitter.com/JYSexton/status/881860850956599297

Grayson · 05-07-2017 11:37AM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Everybody has the right to freedom of speech, troll or not. The media engaging in blackmail of any kind is fundamentally undemocratic and unjournalistic.

Does everyone have the right to anonymous speech? I'm not trolling you when I say that. It's an interesting idea. I think there are times when it can be "in the public interest" (to use a common phrase). There may be other times. If someone is making anonymous threats or statements about a person, does that person have the right to know who's saying it? And does that person then have the right to share that information?

ohnonotgmail · 05-07-2017 11:38AM

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

That so?

https://twitter.com/JulianAssange/status/882480814499536897

CNN made an agreement with him not to release his name in return for him stopping being a little racist troll. He agreed to this. there is no threat in the twitter post from CNN.

Grayson · 05-07-2017 11:38AM

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

That so?

https://twitter.com/JulianAssange/status/882480814499536897

To be fair, by that standard most of 4chan and the members of a lot of sub reddits should be arrested.

hatrickpatrick · 05-07-2017 11:39AM

Grayson wrote: »

Does everyone have the right to anonymous speech? I'm not trolling you when I say that. It's an interesting idea. I think there are times when it can be "in the public interest" (to use a common phrase). There may be other times. If someone is making anonymous threats or statements about a person, does that person have the right to know who's saying it? And does that person then have the right to share that information?

I'd regard doxxing as part and parcel of free speech. My issue here is not with the doxxing - if CNN had merely published the guy's name, I wouldn't regard that as anti-free speech. It's the transactional nature of their communications with him - telling him that he must cease his behaviour or else have his dox released. That's what I take issue with. Applying literally any form of pressure or coercion on somebody to cease their speech is just as bad as outright censoring it.

gitzy16v · 05-07-2017 11:40AM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

CNN made an agreement with him not to release his name in return for him stopping being a little racist troll. He agreed to this. there is no threat in the twitter post from CNN.

No...it was to stop taking the piss out of CNN with silly memes.
The fact he's a racist troll is a happy bonus for them

ohnonotgmail · 05-07-2017 11:42AM

gitzy16v wrote: »

No...it was to stop taking the piss out of CNN with silly memes.
The fact he's a racist troll is a happy bonus for them

clearly you havent read what CNN actually said. Its in the first post. take a little time to read it.

Hank Scorpio · 05-07-2017 11:42AM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

CNN made an agreement with him not to release his name in return for him stopping being a little racist troll. He agreed to this. there is no threat in the twitter post from CNN.

Yeah, an "agreement".

I'm sure he was thrilled by the whole ordeal.

Mr.H · 05-07-2017 11:43AM

lifeandtimes wrote:

They were protecting one of their own becausw he targeted a Jewish employee read the facts

He irony of telling me to read the facts.......

Hey went after him for making the meme. Simple as.

CNN play dirty and between making up stuff about Russia and now making threats to a civilian..... it's time the anti trump brigade climb down from their horse for a moment and just call out people for what they are. If your anti trump that's fine. Keep telling everyone when he is in the wrong. But don't forget others can be wrong too.

CNN are in the wrong here irregardless of how this individual behaves
.

ohnonotgmail · 05-07-2017 11:44AM

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

Yeah, an "agreement".

I'm sure he was thrilled by the whole ordeal.

he was free not to make that agreement. He entered into it because he didnt want the world to know the type of person he really is.

Hank Scorpio · 05-07-2017 11:44AM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

clearly you havent read what CNN actually said. Its in the first post. take a little time to read it.

If there's anything I've learned about the press, it's to take them at face value, especially when it comes to PR issues.

gitzy16v · 05-07-2017 11:45AM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

clearly you havent read what CNN actually said. Its in the first post. take a little time to read it.

Hahaha I'm supposed to believe what CNN says?
They're down with Breitbart for speaking the truth.

Celticfire · 05-07-2017 11:45AM

wes wrote: »

Project Veritas, you have to be joking .

There fake news, and have doctored there "sting" videos in the past:

Project veritas are not a trust worthy source, and use deceptively edited video's to misrepresent what people have said and done. They very much fit the definition of fake news, considering there deliberate deception.

Going by your standards then CNN is also a non trustworthy source of news.

Penn · 05-07-2017 11:45AM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

I'd regard doxxing as part and parcel of free speech. My issue here is not with the doxxing - if CNN had merely published the guy's name, I wouldn't regard that as anti-free speech. It's the transactional nature of their communications with him - telling him that he must cease his behaviour or else have his dox released. That's what I take issue with. Applying literally any form of pressure or coercion on somebody to cease their speech is just as bad as outright censoring it.

You have it the wrong way round. He said he would stop his own behaviour and apologised for what he had done, and then CNN agreed not to release his info based on that.

biko · 05-07-2017 11:45AM

seamus wrote: »

Funny how racists always start crying when people might find out they're racists. It's almost like it's not OK.

Not really sure who you try to call racist - the 15yo redditer* or Wikileaks. Can you elaborate?

seamus wrote: »

Anyway, this is very far from doxxing. He's not being extorted or blackmailed or threatened. If anything they're protecting him by giving him the opportunity to go quietly into the night. Breitbart or the Daily Mail would just publish.

They are not protecting him.

If I went to the trouble to find out your real name seamus, then I posted on boards that I knew - but I am for now withholding your identity. Is that protecting you?
It's not, it's blackmail.

*since we don't know who he is yet I am not sure he is 15 but that's what reddit says

ohnonotgmail · 05-07-2017 11:46AM

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

If there's anything I've learned about the press, it's to take them at face value, especially when it comes to PR issues.

gitzy16v wrote: »

Hahaha I'm supposed to believe what CNN says?
They're down with Breitbart for speaking the truth.

there really isnt any basis for discussion then is there?

Hank Scorpio · 05-07-2017 11:46AM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

he was free not to make that agreement. He entered into it because he didnt want the world to know the type of person he really is.

The type of person he is has nothing got it do with it. It's CNNs way to get back at Trump because they can't get him.

Hank Scorpio · 05-07-2017 11:47AM

Celticfire wrote: »

[YOsUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTdqZnu6Gao[/YOUTUBE]

Going by your standards then CNN is also a non trustworthy source of news.

Don't expect a reply, I posted a similar vid.

05-07-2017 11:47AM

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

That so?

https://twitter.com/JulianAssange/status/882480814499536897

That's something I was wondering about - you can be guaranteed that CNN passed this through their legal department (or at least you'd hope) before releasing the statement.

ohnonotgmail · 05-07-2017 11:48AM

biko wrote: »

Not really sure who you try to call racist - the 15yo redditer or Wikileaks. Can you elaborate?

They are not protecting him.

If I went to the trouble to find out your real name seamus, then I posted on boards that I knew - but I am for now withholding your identity. Is that protecting you?
It's not, it's blackmail.

what makes you think he is 15? In one of his posts he says he left Maryland in 1990. i think that puts him at 26 at least.

gitzy16v · 05-07-2017 11:48AM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

there really isnt any basis for discussion then is there?

I suppose not.
I believe they did it because of the CNN meme.
You believe they did it because he's a racist troll.

Adios amigo.

ohnonotgmail · 05-07-2017 11:49AM

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

The type of person he is has nothing got it do with it. It's CNNs way to get back at Trump because they can't get him.

do you think trump gives a monkey about this guy except for his value as a propaganda tool?

brevity · 05-07-2017 11:49AM

You'd think they might use their resources in a better way.

Trump might be a buffoon but he's the misdirection in this horrible magic trick the GOP and others are playing on the American people. It's time the reporters started working on the bigger fish instead of some shrivelling dick on the internet

hatrickpatrick · 05-07-2017 11:49AM

Penn wrote: »

You have it the wrong way round. He said he would stop his own behaviour and apologised for what he had done, and then CNN agreed not to release his info based on that.

As per CNN's own words, “CNN reserves the right to publish his identity should any of that change”. That's what makes it transactional. If that aspect had been omitted from CNN's communications with him and from their public statements, I wouldn't be accusing them of de facto censorship.

biko · 05-07-2017 11:50AM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

what makes you think he is 15? In one of his posts he says he left Maryland in 1990. i think that puts him at 26 at least.

That's what I read on reddit, of course we could be wrong.
I suppose we'll just have to wait for CNN to publish his name and age...

CNN tracks down random reddit meme poster and threatens to release his information

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