Official Conor McGregor thread (part 3) *Updated Warning in 1st Post Re:Boxing match

bono_v · 16-06-2017 05:42PM

Gintonious wrote: »

Can I ask then, what to you, would qualify as Conor doing well against him then? Winning a round? Landing a punch? KO?

I am honestly curious.

Conor landing a single punch would be doing well.
Hats off to Conor he is sorted for life.
But he is not even the best boxer in crumlin in his weight class. He will not land a single glove.

wonderfullife · 16-06-2017 05:44PM

Gintonious wrote: »

Can I ask then, what to you, would qualify as Conor doing well against him then? Winning a round? Landing a punch? KO?

I am honestly curious.

For me personally, winning 2 rounds would be doing well. If Conor gets shut out for a 120-108 loss, it's a failure in my book. 117-111 or 118-110 can be viewed as a success.

If the fight doesn't go the distance then landing any shot that buzzes Floyd AND winning a round.

walshb · 16-06-2017 05:45PM

cletus wrote: »

I know the above question wasn't aimed at me, but IMO, assuming the fight is above board (I do think it will be) and assuming Floyd will look to stop McGregor, losing a unanimous decision having lasted 12 rounds would be considered good

It would be superb. A victory for Conor and an embarrassment for Floyd.

wonderfullife · 16-06-2017 05:45PM

walshb wrote: »

Floyd would hardly agree to allow himself be beaten. But for the sake of the question being asked I had to include that...

Why include it?

I asked in a hypothetical if Conor KO'd Floyd what would you say.

Your answer was great! Freedom of the city and major kudos....

Then you felt the need to add the qualifier hinting if it happened you might suspect Floyd took a dive.

Sad stuff.

cletus · 16-06-2017 05:46PM

walshb wrote: »

Floyd would hardly agree to allow himself be beaten. But for the sake of the question being asked I had to include that...

I'm not sure I follow. There is a chance, however negligible and insignificant, there is a chance that Conor hits him and knocks him out, if only because there are two men throwing punches at each other in a confined space. I don't think it is at all likely, mind.

There is no chance, as far as I can see, that Floyd throws the fight. So to say you would hive Conor kudos unless you thought the fight was fixed makes little sense

walshb · 16-06-2017 05:47PM

wonderfullife wrote: »

Why include it?

I asked in a hypothetical if Conor KO'd Floyd what would you say.

Your answer was great! Freedom of the city and major kudos....

Then you felt the need to add the qualifier hinting if it happened you might suspect Floyd took a dive.

Sad stuff.

It's called giving a full honest answer. If it makes you happy delete it.

walshb · 16-06-2017 05:51PM

cletus wrote: »

I'm not sure I follow. There is a chance, however negligible and insignificant, there is a chance that Conor hits him and knocks him out, if only because there are two men throwing punches at each other in a confined space. I don't think it is at all likely, mind.

There is no chance, as far as I can see, that Floyd throws the fight. So to say you would hive Conor kudos unless you thought the fight was fixed makes little sense

Ok, assuming that Floyd does not throw the fight and Conor knocks him out, it's freedom of the city time.

wonderfullife · 16-06-2017 05:54PM

walshb wrote: »

Ok, assuming that Floyd does not throw the fight and Conor knocks him out, it's freedom of the city time.

Again, it's like talking to a brick wall....

Why would Floyd throw the fight?

He's making close to $250 million on the fight. He has applied for 6 different trademarks of 50-0.

Give a good reason why Floyd would throw the fight or stop saying it.

walshb · 16-06-2017 05:57PM

wonderfullife wrote: »

Again, it's like talking to a brick wall....

Why would Floyd throw the fight?

.

It sure is...

Who said he's throwing the fight?

beakerjoe · 16-06-2017 05:58PM

How long before the mods get involved here.

cletus · 16-06-2017 06:01PM

walshb wrote: »

Ok, assuming that Floyd does not throw the fight and Conor knocks him out, it's freedom of the city time.

. OK I'm not arguing the same thing as wonderfulife. I think, despite being an mma fan more than a boxing fan, that Conor gets the face punched off him.

I also think you would struggle to find any right thinking fight fan who is even semi au fait with boxing that believes Floyd would throw the fight. To put it in your post is a little disingenuous, as I don't think you believe it either. You might as well say "assuming aliens don't abduct Floyd during the fight...". It doesn't add to the discourse, however crazy it may have become. It is only likely to become worse, and we need genuine combat sports fans to keep the keel as even as possible

TherapyBoy · 16-06-2017 06:02PM

The only reason for Floyd throwing the fight is so they can do it again & make another hundred-odd million for a rematch. Would he value another fights-worth of money over his record though? I don't think so.

EagererBeaver · 16-06-2017 06:02PM

Ffs, please stop banging on about people being haters, or trolling, or being salty. It comes across like a fifteen year old girl.

Frank Bullitt · 16-06-2017 06:06PM

wonderfullife wrote: »

For me personally, winning 2 rounds would be doing well. If Conor gets shut out for a 120-108 loss, it's a failure in my book. 117-111 or 118-110 can be viewed as a success.

If the fight doesn't go the distance then landing any shot that buzzes Floyd AND winning a round.

Fair enough then.

Not to sound to pedantic about it, but those are fairly low standards to meet. Strategically, boxers "give-up" rounds to recover, Klitschko did that a lot when he found his rhythm. Mayweather does the same as well.

Not saying that he would be giving them to Conor, but those active recovery rounds are not really a win. A winning round to me would be pushing the tempo and landing real shots, properly.

This is partially the issue I have with this whole thing, Conor could get credit for winning a round or 2, if that is the bar that has been set, the other 11 or 10 rounds will be not taken into account, I can't understand that.

wonderfullife · 16-06-2017 06:11PM

walshb wrote: »

It sure is...

Who said he's throwing the fight?

Ok let's mend our fences Walshb I'll serve you up an easy question

Do you think there's any scenario whatsoever where Floyd Mayweather will throw the fight and allow Conor to win?

If the answer is yes, explain your thinking why Floyd *might* throw the fight.

cletus · 16-06-2017 06:11PM

Gintonious wrote: »

Fair enough then.

Not to sound to pedantic about it, but those are fairly low standards to meet. Strategically, boxers "give-up" rounds to recover, Klitschko did that a lot when he found his rhythm. Mayweather does the same as well.

Not saying that he would be giving them to Conor, but those active recovery rounds are not really a win. A winning round to me would be pushing the tempo and landing real shots, properly.

This is partially the issue I have with this whole thing, Conor could get credit for winning a round or 2, if that is the bar that has been set, the other 11 or 10 rounds will be not taken into account, I can't understand that.

Most boxing fans I've read on here don't see the fight going the distance. If that happens, even if he loses every round, its a credit to McGregor. You could argue that Floyd maybe fought defensively or whatever, but in this fight that should not be the case. Mayweather should finish McGregor, and should look to finish him

MarkY91 · 16-06-2017 06:11PM

Why on earth would the fight be staged?

So mayweather would have spent his whole career working up to 50-0 just to lose on the last hurdle for easy money that will never affect his millionaire lifestyle?

wonderfullife · 16-06-2017 06:18PM

cletus wrote: »

Most boxing fans I've read on here don't see the fight going the distance. If that happens, even if he loses every round, its a credit to McGregor. You could argue that Floyd maybe fought defensively or whatever, but in this fight that should not be the case. Mayweather should finish McGregor, and should look to finish him

Dan Hardy said today there's "no chance" Floyd will finish Conor.

I respect Dan's opinion on most things and he's adamant it goes the distance.

Gamebred · 16-06-2017 06:18PM

For a fight that makes no sense and nobody wants it sure has people debating, job done from the promoters.

walshb · 16-06-2017 06:22PM

wonderfullife wrote: »

Ok let's mend our fences Walshb I'll serve you up an easy question

Do you think there's any scenario whatsoever where Floyd Mayweather will throw the fight and allow Conor to win?

If the answer is yes, explain your thinking why Floyd *might* throw the fight.

Floyd will not throw the fight. I'd be very surprised if he did.

But I never mentioned Floyd throwing the fight.

I mentioned a possible agreement as to how the fight unfolds. You latched onto this as me making out that Floyd could throw the fight.

IMO the only way Conor is competitive is that they agree to make it so.

Could I be wrong? Sure...

Frank Bullitt · 16-06-2017 06:22PM

cletus wrote: »

Most boxing fans I've read on here don't see the fight going the distance. If that happens, even if he loses every round, its a credit to McGregor. You could argue that Floyd maybe fought defensively or whatever, but in this fight that should not be the case. Mayweather should finish McGregor, and should look to finish him

I disagree wholeheartedly. A win is a win, and a full 12 rounds (winning all of them) is just a dominant as stopping your opponent. Simple as.

This is the type of argument that could be used if it goes 12.

"Ah he did well, he went the distance", which is such garbage, if you go the 12 and lose every single one and never showed any signs of winning, how does that warrant any credit to be given?

walshb · 16-06-2017 06:23PM

MarkY91 wrote: »

Why on earth would the fight be staged?

So mayweather would have spent his whole career working up to 50-0 just to lose on the last hurdle for easy money that will never affect his millionaire lifestyle?

Why is staged somehow automatically meaning Floyd losing?

Dtp1979 · 16-06-2017 06:24PM

wonderfullife wrote: »

Ok let's mend our fences Walshb I'll serve you up an easy question

Do you think there's any scenario whatsoever where Floyd Mayweather will throw the fight and allow Conor to win?
.

Floyd puts a fortune for conor to win with crazy good odds

cletus · 16-06-2017 06:27PM

wonderfullife wrote: »

Dan Hardy said today there's "no chance" Floyd will finish Conor.

I respect Dan's opinion on most things and he's adamant it goes the distance.

Yep, saw that, but my point is, from a boxing perspective it shouldn't. Floyd is touted as the best of his generation, one of the best ever. This fight should not go the distance.

If it does, I would consider that an achievement for McGregor

wonderfullife · 16-06-2017 06:27PM

walshb wrote: »

Floyd will not throw the fight. I'd be very surprised if he did.

Ok.

So IF Conor wins, whether by KO or on points, then he won a completely fair fight because you're saying Floyd will not throw it.

See now we made progress

Dtp1979 wrote: »

Floyd puts a fortune for conor to win with crazy good odds

He's getting paid $250 million ish for the fight and the trademarks on 50-0 will be milked for millions in merchandise.

No Vegas bookie is going to be accepting $40 million anonymous bets on Conor at 6/1 or 7/1.

walshb · 16-06-2017 06:29PM

wonderfullife wrote: »

Ok.

So IF Conor wins, whether by KO or on points, then he won a completely fair fight because you're saying Floyd will not throw it.

See now we made progress1.

And he gets freedom of the city...

Burial. · 16-06-2017 06:29PM

Dtp1979 wrote: »

Floyd puts a fortune for conor to win with crazy good odds

Uwutm8? Odds are horrific.

pjohnson · 16-06-2017 06:29PM

Gintonious wrote: »

I disagree wholeheartedly. A win is a win, and a full 12 rounds (winning all of them) is just a dominant as stopping your opponent. Simple as.

This is the type of argument that could be used if it goes 12.

"Ah he did well, he went the distance", which is such garbage, if you go the 12 and lose every single one and never showed any signs of winning, how does that warrant any credit to be given?

Its just getting the excuses/damage limitation in early.

GerryDerpy · 16-06-2017 06:30PM

walshb, you have to appreciate the frustration shown towards your position.

You are posting a lot of knowledge and sensible things, yet your position on a Conor win being somehow staged is losing you credibility.

You have to accept that IF Conor wins then he is a Demi god of sport. As you articulated, his chances are so so low. So then admit that a Conor win would be pure sporting and mental brilliance.

I understand your position regarding hey wait until it happens. But it comes across as though you are setting up your conspiracy theory too early.

For me, I can't understand how Irish sports fans don't admire Conor for being in this position. As a failed near professional athlete, I look at sporting achievements and can in some way see how it is achieved. I can see clear paths to being a great rugby, soccer, GAA player. I can see how they are achievable by people. But Conor is the only one that has left me bewildered. How the hell can someone be so confident and produce on big show nights, in a violent and dangerous few minutes is beyond my comprehension. From doing your sets of weight training, to skill training, to peak nutrition, to putting on the show.

TLDR: you're a sore begrudger if you don't tip the hat to him putting Floyd under pressure during the fight.

wonderfullife · 16-06-2017 06:33PM

cletus wrote: »

Yep, saw that, but my point is, from a boxing perspective it shouldn't. Floyd is touted as the best of his generation, one of the best ever. This fight should not go the distance.

If it does, I would consider that an achievement for McGregor

Yep, I can see that perspective.

But for me, Conor needs to do more than just survive 12 rounds. He has to win at least 2 of the rounds and preferably needs to win 3 or 4 to qualify it as a good performance.

A 120-108 loss is a failure. A familiar failure, of course, Floyd has danced around other opponents to wide-margin victories but I think Conor has to do more.

I can definitely see that corkscrew uppercut, left hook to the body combination landing on Floyd. Conor throws it without an obvious tell and a very quick step to achieve lead-foot-dominance.

Official Conor McGregor thread (part 3) *Updated Warning in 1st Post Re:Boxing match

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