Official Conor McGregor thread (part 3) *Updated Warning in 1st Post Re:Boxing match

Gamebred · 14-06-2017 01:07PM

Wasting your time discussing this lads at this stage, all hypothetical talk considering its not even announced believe it when I see it confirmed (not saying it cant happen)

RoryMac · 14-06-2017 01:18PM

Gamebred wrote: »

Wasting your time discussing this lads at this stage, all hypothetical talk considering its not even announced believe it when I see it confirmed (not saying it cant happen)

Gotta say the more this draws on the more I believe its just the 2 guys keeping their media profile up and the fight won't happen.

Time frame to fight on Aug 26th is getting very tight now and with Canelo & GGG taking the Sept date if this isn't announced in the next few days I don't see it ever happening.

If I was a betting man I'd put money on McGregor's next fight being in the UFC and within the next few weeks the UFC announce a press conf, media go wild & it turns out McGregor is fighting either Diaz again or Woodley.

dashoonage · 14-06-2017 01:38PM

Gamebred wrote: »

Wasting your time discussing this lads at this stage, all hypothetical talk considering its not even announced believe it when I see it confirmed (not saying it cant happen)

https://www.instagram.com/p/BVSaEcxgGo-/?taken-by=thenotoriousmma

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dulux99 · 14-06-2017 01:54PM

I feel the longer this drags on, the more educated people are becoming, and the more farcical this match up is actually seeming to everyone. I thought there'd be quite a lot of naive folk who believe McGregor can pull it off, but I don't think I've spoken to one genuine person who believes it. Maybe when it's officially announced and McGregor ramps up his trash-talk that will change.

Imagine telling someone 5 years ago that Floyd Mayweather would be coming out of retirement to fight an Irish fighter making his professional debut! Crazy stuff. I still absolutely hope it doesn't go ahead by the way, as it's making a joke of both Mayweather and McGregor, in a sporting context. Of course financially they'll make a fortune

wonderfullife · 14-06-2017 02:10PM

messinkiapina wrote: »

By right, if team McGregor are taking it seriously, he should have a couple of prep fights against a journeyman bum or two.

Artem said he'll be sparring Conor.

That should cover it.

spix · 14-06-2017 02:22PM

dulux99 wrote: »

I feel the longer this drags on, the more educated people are becoming, and the more farcical this match up is actually seeming to everyone. I thought there'd be quite a lot of naive folk who believe McGregor can pull it off, but I don't think I've spoken to one genuine person who believes it. Maybe when it's officially announced and McGregor ramps up his trash-talk that will change.

Imagine telling someone 5 years ago that Floyd Mayweather would be coming out of retirement to fight an Irish fighter making his professional debut! Crazy stuff. I still absolutely hope it doesn't go ahead by the way, as it's making a joke of both Mayweather and McGregor, in a sporting context. Of course financially they'll make a fortune

You realize mayweather will not be the fighter from years ago. He was on steroids and younger, now he is without steroids and older. He done a live stream of him training yesterday and looked really slow.

dashoonage · 14-06-2017 02:23PM

spix wrote: »

You realize mayweather will not be the fighter from years ago. He was on steroids and younger, now he is without steroids and older. He done a live stream of him training yesterday and looked really slow.

ah ya but sure come on...everybody is on drugs...

red ears · 14-06-2017 02:25PM

dulux99 wrote: »

I feel the longer this drags on, the more educated people are becoming, and the more farcical this match up is actually seeming to everyone. I thought there'd be quite a lot of naive folk who believe McGregor can pull it off, but I don't think I've spoken to one genuine person who believes it. Maybe when it's officially announced and McGregor ramps up his trash-talk that will change

Most people know Conor will most likely get beat but if he can catch him with a big left early on then anything could happen. About 95% likely Floyd wins though.

Morrison J · 14-06-2017 02:42PM

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

There will be very little promotion for this fight, definetley not more than 1 press comfrence. This fight sells itself and in honesty, is probably sold already. The official announcement will send the world media into overdrive itself.

Well there will be a press conference to announce the fight and a press conference on the Thursday of fight week as is standard with boxing so there'll 100% be more than 1 anyway.

The promotion for this fight will be massive. Bigger than anything we've ever seen before. There are people out there who don't watch MMA or boxing that they will want to reach out to through the trashtalk.

Absolutely zero chance they rush it, put it on in two months and let it make less money than its potential.

I reckon this fight might take place on Cinco De Mayo 2018, Floyd's favoured fight day throughout his career which conveniently falls on a Saturday next year. Nearly a full year away.

Too Tough To Die · 14-06-2017 02:43PM

spix wrote: »

You realize mayweather will not be the fighter from years ago. He was on steroids and younger, now he is without steroids and older. He done a live stream of him training yesterday and looked really slow.

Why would he not be on performance enhancing drugs nowadays? After all, isn't that what semi-retirement is for?

Sweet Science · 14-06-2017 02:45PM

red ears wrote: »

Most people know Conor will most likely get beat but if he can catch him with a big left early on then anything could happen. About 95% likely Floyd wins though.

Oh my

dulux99 · 14-06-2017 02:58PM

red ears wrote: »

dulux99 wrote: »

I feel the longer this drags on, the more educated people are becoming, and the more farcical this match up is actually seeming to everyone. I thought there'd be quite a lot of naive folk who believe McGregor can pull it off, but I don't think I've spoken to one genuine person who believes it. Maybe when it's officially announced and McGregor ramps up his trash-talk that will change

Most people know Conor will most likely get beat but if he can catch him with a big left early on then anything could happen. About 95% likely Floyd wins though.

I've tried a couple of times to type a response to this, without sounding like a condescending pr*ck, but I think it's impossible.
If you're a person who genuinely believes Conor has a punchers chance, then I hate to say it, but you really don't understand or appreciate the differences in MMA striking and boxing. McGregor is a spectacular MMA figher unquestionably, but he is not a spectacular boxer.
Look at his fights vs Nate Diaz even, who is a good boxer in his own right...his ability to roll with Conor's punches meant that he didn't get finished. Granted Diaz had a weight advantage in those fights. Floyd is an expert in his craft and has been avoiding punches since he was a toddler. Conor's punches will come from angles that Mayweather has seen a billion times before and he will dodge them in his sleep. Not to mention Conor will be wearing gloves twice as thick as the ones he's used to, and he'll be trying to break through the guard of two big gloves on Floyd's hands. He categorically does not have a punchers chance in this fight.

Fromvert · 14-06-2017 03:11PM

Mellor wrote: »

I think people in general underestimate the difference the round structure makes.
Look at it this way;
An MMA main event is 25work:4rest.
A boxing match is 36work:11rest

The 44% increase is fight time is significant. But so is the 175% increase in rest time and increase in rest frequency. Plus as darced pointed out, no grappling makes it less energy intensive.

Cardio won't be the issue for Conor.

Swinging at air and getting slapped in the face from shots he can't see will eat his cardio pretty quickly. And that's only if it lasts long enough for cardio to come into play!

Outlaw Pete · 14-06-2017 03:23PM

dulux99 wrote: »

Look at his fights vs Nate Diaz even, who is a good boxer in his own right...his ability to roll with Conor's punches meant that he didn't get finished.

Sorry, but how someone boxes in MMA is not necessarily the measure of how they may be capable of boxing in a boxing ring. There are some elements that might give you an idea of their abilities there, for sure, and I would never say otherwise, but there is so much more going on in an mma fighter's head when in the octagon that it would be foolish to suggest that how they boxed during in an mma fight was the level of their boxing capabilities.

For a start, the main thing on Conor's mind when he was fighting Nate was to not get taken down and so that in itself will result in him (and any mma fighter) not punching the way they would were the fight taking place under boxing rules.... where there was no such risk.

There was one point of that rematch though were I did think Conor showed some excellent shoulder movement and ability to roll and dodge punches (at the point where he was pinned to the cage) which I think could be seen to lend itself to the view that he has some natural boxing abilities..... but otherwise though, I think it's naive to think that the boxing skills shown by an mma fighter in the octagon are all that representative of what they might be capable of in the ring.

dulux99 · 14-06-2017 03:35PM

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

dulux99 wrote: »

Look at his fights vs Nate Diaz even, who is a good boxer in his own right...his ability to roll with Conor's punches meant that he didn't get finished.

Sorry, but how someone boxes in MMA is not necessarily the measure of how they may be capable of boxing in a boxing ring. There are some elements that might give you an idea of their abilities there, for sure, and I would never say otherwise, but there is so much more going on in an mma fighter's head when in the octagon that it would be foolish to suggest that how they boxed during in an mma fight was the level of their boxing capabilities.

For a start, the main thing on Conor's mind when he was fighting Nate was to not get taken down and so that in itself will result in him (and any mma fighter) not punching the way they would were the fight taking place under boxing rules.... where there was no such risk.

There was one point of that rematch though were I did think Conor showed some excellent shoulder movement and ability to roll and dodge punches (at the point where he was pinned to the cage) which I think could be seen to lend itself to the view that he has some natural boxing abilities..... but otherwise though, I think it's naive to think that the boxing skills shown by an mma fighter in the octagon are all that representative of what they might be capable of in the ring.

Fair points - I don't disagree with any of that. I feel his exploits in the cage are actually completely irrelevant to how he will do in the Mayweather fight, so we're kind of on the same page there.
I remember in the aftermath of UFC 205, John Kavanagh was being his typical smug self, saying how he chuckled at Alvarez when he said he was training to counteract the 'rock-back' that Conor does. John said that skill could not be learned over 6 or 8 weeks. I find it kind of humorous now that his own fighter is entering a boxing ring, which he has literally never competed in professionally, and barely at amateur, to take on an all time great in the sport. Andy Lee said it best, it's like a top triathlete taking on Michael Phelps.

Sweet Science · 14-06-2017 03:45PM

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Sorry, but how someone boxes in MMA is not necessarily the measure of how they may be capable of boxing in a boxing ring. There are some elements that might give you an idea of their abilities there, for sure, and I would never say otherwise, but there is so much more going on in an mma fighter's head when in the octagon that it would be foolish to suggest that how they boxed during in an mma fight was the level of their boxing capabilities.

For a start, the main thing on Conor's mind when he was fighting Nate was to not get taken down and so that in itself will result in him (and any mma fighter) not punching the way they would were the fight taking place under boxing rules.... where there was no such risk.

There was one point of that rematch though were I did think Conor showed some excellent shoulder movement and ability to roll and dodge punches (at the point where he was pinned to the cage) which I think could be seen to lend itself to the view that he has some natural boxing abilities..... but otherwise though, I think it's naive to think that the boxing skills shown by an mma fighter in the octagon are all that representative of what they might be capable of in the ring.

Fair point . So lets talk about his actual boxing ability . An average amateur boxer from a West Dublin gym . Takes 10 years out of the sport . His 1st fight is against a hall of famer and all time great .

spix · 14-06-2017 03:54PM

Mcgregor can win but he has to stick to what hes good at and get comfortable doing what hes not good at. What he's not good (from what I've seen) is throwing hard punches at close range and keeping his hands high to block punches which he'll need to do when mayweather throws the kind of combos he's has not seen from an mma fighter. In my opinion its all about who can frustrate the other to play into their strengths. I'd say mayweather will be expecting mcgregor to keep his distance at the start and hope mayweather jumps in to get a counter. Mayweather won't do this and then expects mcgregor to throw first when the fans start booing. Mcgregor needs to not do this, just wait and I don't think mayweather will expect that and eventually will have to lead. The x factor is mcgregors reach compared to anyone mayweather has fought. He needs to use that as much as possible but be prepared for all situations and he can pull off an upset.

spix · 14-06-2017 03:56PM

Sweet Science wrote: »

Fair point . So lets talk about his actual boxing ability . An average amateur boxer from a West Dublin gym . Takes 10 years out of the sport . His 1st fight is against a hall of famer and all time great .

Mcgregor has certain skills well above average amatuer boxer from west dublin level. His ability to manage distance, predict his opponents punches and countering are world class. His basic boxing skills are 'average amatuer' whatever that means... but that doesn't matter as long as he doesn't try to use them.

billybonkers · 14-06-2017 04:00PM

This is gas!

dulux99 · 14-06-2017 04:02PM

billybonkers wrote: »

This is gas!

I promised myself I wouldn't get involved...

Gamebred · 14-06-2017 04:04PM

Only reason I've not hit unfollow thread is for comedy reasons pissing myself here reading the breakdowns.

Outlaw Pete · 14-06-2017 04:15PM

dulux99 wrote: »

Andy Lee said it best, it's like a top triathlete taking on Michael Phelps.

I'd say that it's a fairer surmisation than most I've been reading for sure.

Ash.J.Williams · 14-06-2017 04:18PM

4 years ago ...did you think we'd be here discussing this lunacy!

Sweet Science · 14-06-2017 04:21PM

spix wrote: »

Mcgregor has certain skills well above average amatuer boxer from west dublin level. His ability to manage distance, predict his opponents punches and countering are world class. His basic boxing skills are 'average amatuer' whatever that means... but that doesn't matter as long as he doesn't try to use them.

Not sure if you are serious ?

spix · 14-06-2017 04:21PM

Anyone who thinks its absolutely impossible mcgregor could win knows absolutely nothing about fighting. Seriously, do you forget all the so called impossible upsets that have happened in boxing/mma? It's 2 men trying to punch each other in the face, something both are good at in their own ways. If you think its such a farce and promised yourself you wouldn't get involved then why are you here mocking the fight. Every fighter knows anything can happen and thats why oscar de la hoya says this could ruin boxing. He knows anything can happen and if mcgregor does win, fans will become even less interesed in boxing as the mma fighter beat the best in his own sport.

spix · 14-06-2017 04:22PM

Sweet Science wrote: »

Not sure if you are serious ?

100% serious but do you expect someone with the username 'sweet science' to give an mma fighter fair dues?

dashoonage · 14-06-2017 04:24PM

Sweet Science · 14-06-2017 04:27PM

spix wrote: »

100% serious but do you expect someone with the username 'sweet science' to give an mma fighter fair dues?

Fair dues in relation to what ? MMA - abolutely im one of his biggest fans have been to Vegas twice and Boston once wathing him sure .

Burial. · 14-06-2017 04:29PM

I think Andy Murray would beat Rory McIlroy in a round of golf.

yourdeadwright · 14-06-2017 04:30PM

Mellor wrote: »

Lukker- wrote: »

Boom_Bap wrote: »

Just going to throw something out there, will the 3 minute rounds be of benefit to Conor. There have been questions over his endurance over 5 minute rounds so he might be able to put more into a round. Obviously 12 over 5 is a huge difference.
Or is 3 minutes not enough for him to find his groove?

He'll be blowing hard by round 5 IMO. If he's to get TKO'd it'll between 5-8. If he makes it past than I think he'll recover and survive. I also don't think Floyd will be going 100%

I think people in general underestimate the difference the round structure makes.
Look at it this way;
An MMA main event is 25work:4rest.
A boxing match is 36work:11rest

The 44% increase is fight time is significant. But so is the 175% increase in rest time and increase in rest frequency. Plus as darced pointed out, no grappling makes it less energy intensive.

Cardio won't be the issue for Conor.

Using your logic why did he look so gassed in what was basically a boxing match with Diaz,
McGregor gass is a huge question mark ,

Official Conor McGregor thread (part 3) *Updated Warning in 1st Post Re:Boxing match

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