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2017 UK General Election - 8th June

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  • #2042
    Jayop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,387 ✭✭✭✭Jayop


    WinnyThePoo wrote: »
    My point still stands.

    No need for the passive aggressive reply. Trying to talk down to someone generally doesn't work on boards.

    Your point doesn't stand at all. Varadkar demonizing the north doesn't benefit anyone in the South, rather the opposite. But I guess you put selfish party gains above the good of the people of your country.

    And deliberately misinterpreting someone's posts to make a false point also doesn't go down to the well on Boards.


  • #2043
    CMOTDibbler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,763 ✭✭✭CMOTDibbler


    Leroy42 wrote: »
    Very good idea by May to rush with this.

    Letting a vacuum exist for a few days will only bring more questions, more likelyhood of her being overthrown.

    It is much harder to depose the PM than simply the party leader.

    In the longer term this makes no sense and won't work, the very reason why she went to the vote was she felt she couldn't count on her own party to back her enough, and now she relies and everyone of them and 10 from another party?
    The danger in that strategy is that those in her party who feel that this is the time to replace her (and if not now, when?) could decide to abstain in the vote for PM.

    Not consulting with the parliamentary party before making the decision would be further reason for rejecting her.


  • #2044
    Chips Lovell
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    lawred2 wrote: »
    Well has she sounded out the parliamentary party on a deal with the DUP? I doubt it given her rush to conclude that a deal has been done.

    Only takes a small few to jump ship. Not wanting to be in bed with the DUP is hardly something that could be considered a radical position..

    Surely there are some moderate Tories not happy right now..

    I can't see it being an issue. Sure up until 1974, the UUP was under the conservative whip in Westminster.


  • #2045
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,686 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    Jep Gambardella wrote: »
    I can't see it being an issue. Sure up until 1974, the UUP was under the conservative whip in Westminster.

    Yes, but the UUP are relatively sane compared to the DUP.


  • #2046
    WinnyThePoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,417 ✭✭✭WinnyThePoo


    Jayop wrote: »
    Your point doesn't stand at all. Varadkar demonizing the north doesn't benefit anyone in the South, rather the opposite. But I guess you put selfish party gains above the good of the people of your country.

    And deliberately misinterpreting someone's posts to make a false point also doesn't go down to the well on Boards.

    Where did Varadkar demonise people of the north?

    I'm not a member of fine gael, so no point in labelling me. I am a fan of the republic of Ireland though.


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  • #2047
    Jayop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,387 ✭✭✭✭Jayop


    WinnyThePoo wrote: »
    Where did Varadkar demonise people of the north?

    I'm not a member of fine gael, so no point in labelling me. I am a fan of the republic of Ireland though.

    The last general election. Read some of his tweets.


  • #2048
    WinnyThePoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,417 ✭✭✭WinnyThePoo


    Jayop wrote: »
    The last general election. Read some of his tweets.

    You make claims, you can link them.


  • #2049
    Jayop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,387 ✭✭✭✭Jayop


    WinnyThePoo wrote: »
    You make claims, you can link them.

    Report my post sure.


  • #2050
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,673 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Thing is DUP won't push any of those issues in a coalition government.

    Two policies alone - no special status for Northern Ireland post-Brexit and no concessions to SF on the Assembly issue.

    They will happily ignore everything else.

    So the Tories just ignore what the DUP stand for as long as they don't speak out loud about it?

    Lovely politics there.


  • #2051
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,753 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Jep Gambardella wrote: »
    I can't see it being an issue. Sure up until 1974, the UUP was under the conservative whip in Westminster.

    The UUP for all their ills are snow whites compared to the DUP..

    Plus that was a long time ago and I did say moderates.


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  • #2052
    Gringo180
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,205 ✭✭✭Gringo180


    The sheer irony for the Tories to end the election campaign which they spent for the most part slaughtering Jeremy Corbyn for his alleged links to former N.Irish terrorists by going into coalition with a party founded by former N.Irish terrorists 


  • #2053
    Leroy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,061 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    So the Tories just ignore what the DUP stand for as long as they don't speak out loud about it?

    Lovely politics there.

    Works with Saudi Arabia


  • #2054
    Irishweather
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 260 ✭✭Irishweather


    NIMAN wrote: »
    No Irish nationalist voice in Westminster.

    That's worrying at a time when borders are being discussed.

    DUP have gained the upper hand in the north. They have actual power now.

    I don't think they want a Hard Border.


  • #2055
    CMOTDibbler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,763 ✭✭✭CMOTDibbler


    Jep Gambardella wrote: »
    I can't see it being an issue. Sure up until 1974, the UUP was under the conservative whip in Westminster.
    That's over forty years ago!

    How many political parties have come and gone since then? The UUP are pretty much gone as a political force as it is.


  • #2056
    Irishweather
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 260 ✭✭Irishweather


    devnull wrote: »
    Confidence and Supply is what is being mooted on Sky News.

    What does this infer?


  • #2057
    CMOTDibbler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,763 ✭✭✭CMOTDibbler


    Irishweather wrote: »
    What does this infer?
    Not part of the government, but support it in no-confidence motions and other important votes. A bit like what FF are doing in the Dail at the moment.


  • #2058
    Irishweather
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 260 ✭✭Irishweather


    seamus wrote: »
    Worth noting that the DUP going in as the junior partner / minority partner are pretty much guaranteed to take a hammering at the next elections - council, assembly and general.

    SF might be looking the other way in the expectation that they'll become the majority party in NI politics in the coming months.

    No. RHI election results disproves this. A lot of hardcore DUP voters.


  • #2059
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    For someone to be asked by the queen to form a government, the Queen has to be happy that they have the "Confidence of the House". That, in theory, could be anyone that the House of Commons is happy to be prime minister. With Party politics, it is taken as a given that the winning party's leader therefore has that confidence.

    In this case, the DUP have already given their vote of confidence, so Theresa May has the confidence of the House and the Queen will ask her to form a government.


  • #2060
    Irishweather
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 260 ✭✭Irishweather


    Jep Gambardella wrote: »
    I can't see it being an issue. Sure up until 1974, the UUP was under the conservative whip in Westminster.

    The UUP is a whole different kettle of fish.


  • #2061
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Subpopulus wrote: »
    Almost certainly not. DUP and SF have very strong core votes split along cultural/ethnic lines.
    True, but money trumps everything. People who have lost money feel personally betrayed.

    FF collapsed the Irish economy and you saw (hundreds of) thousands of die-hard FF voters switch sides.

    If the DUP oversee the establishment of a hard border within the Republic, the resultant damage to NI exports will destroy them.


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  • #2062
    robinph
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    seamus wrote: »
    Worth noting that the DUP going in as the junior partner / minority partner are pretty much guaranteed to take a hammering at the next elections - council, assembly and general.

    SF might be looking the other way in the expectation that they'll become the majority party in NI politics in the coming months.

    As far as the UK voters are concerned though the DUP may as well not exist. Nobody knows or cares who they are anywhere outside of NI. The Conservatives will take all the blame for everything that goes wrong themselves, won't be like with the LibDems where they could pass the blame onto the smaller party who then took a hammering in the 2015 election nationally.

    As far as the rest of the UK is concerned it will be the Conservatives in government on their own, with some people with indecipherable accents occasionally appearing on the news a bit more than they used to for the last couple of decades.


  • #2063
    Leroy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,061 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    seamus wrote: »
    True, but money trumps everything.

    FF collapsed the Irish economy and you saw thousands of die-hard FF voters switch sides.

    If the DUP oversee the establishment of a hard border within the Republic, the resultant damage to NI exports will destroy them.

    Why do you think a hard border will destroy exports? IDK, but I would hazard a guess that a large portion of exports go to the UK and the South. A hard border will only result in some additional admin and transit times. Hardly an insurmountable hurdle


  • #2064
    lawred2
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    Leroy42 wrote: »
    Why do you think a hard border will destroy exports? IDK, but I would hazard a guess that a large portion of exports go to the UK and the South. A hard border will only result in some additional admin and transit times. Hardly an insurmountable hurdle

    Import taxes won't help either like


  • #2065
    Leroy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,061 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Of course they won't help, but what is the alternative? It will have a negative effect, no doubt, but it won't destroy them.

    NI is mainly a public sector economy anyway, massively subsidised by Britain. If anything, that will now increase


  • #2066
    Jayop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,387 ✭✭✭✭Jayop


    Leroy42 wrote: »
    Why do you think a hard border will destroy exports? IDK, but I would hazard a guess that a large portion of exports go to the UK and the South. A hard border will only result in some additional admin and transit times. Hardly an insurmountable hurdle

    Levies and duties will be the reason for a hard border. That will impact trade.


  • #2067
    awec
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  • #2068
    ThisRegard
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    WinnyThePoo wrote: »
    Where did Varadkar demonise people of the north?

    I'm not a member of fine gael, so no point in labelling me. I am a fan of the republic of Ireland though.

    It's the new narrative from a certain section lately, try blacken him by labelling him as a Thatcherite partionist.

    Interesting to hear earlier someone from the unionist side of society welcoming Varadkars recent comments on how to approach this whole mess as a group, they don't seem to hold a grudge against him.


  • #2069
    Dyr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    seamus wrote: »
    Worth noting that the DUP going in as the junior partner / minority partner are pretty much guaranteed to take a hammering at the next elections - council, assembly and general.

    SF might be looking the other way in the expectation that they'll become the majority party in NI politics in the coming months.


    A hammering? Not in norn iron


  • #2070
    Leroy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,061 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Jayop wrote: »
    Levies and duties will be the reason for a hard border. That will impact trade.

    Absolutely correct, but the point is by how much. I was replying to a poster that said it would destroy NI, but would it?

    If it is trade with the Uk then it makes no difference. If its trade with EU then maybe the change in Sterling will offset some or all of the costs.

    Trade is not going to stop between Irl and NI simply because of a border


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  • #2071
    Jayop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,387 ✭✭✭✭Jayop


    ThisRegard wrote: »
    It's the new narrative from a certain section lately, try blacken him by labelling him as a Thatcherite partionist.

    Interesting to hear earlier someone from the unionist side of society welcoming Varadkars recent comments on how to approach this whole mess as a group, they don't seem to hold a grudge against him.

    Part one of post - Varadkar is being wrongly labeled a partitionist by people trying to blacken him.

    Part two of post - Unionists welcome comments by Varadkar.


    You don't see how the two could contradict each other?


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