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Woman killed by two bull mastiffs in Galway

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  • #32
    njs030
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    Armchair Andy wrote: »
    Have the 2 dogs be shot?

    No


  • #33
    JohnFalstaff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 906 ✭✭✭JohnFalstaff


    Armchair Andy wrote: »
    Will the 2 dogs be shot?

    Undoubtedly.


  • #34
    qo2cj1dsne8y4k
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    Donal55 wrote: »
    Horrible dogs.
    Horrible human owners


  • #35
    Roger Hassenforder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Roger Hassenforder


    D3V!L wrote: »
    So are golden labs, they're responsible for more attacks on family members than any other dogs. Strangely they don't get any bad press.

    Because families that have dogs will often have a golden lab...

    Anyway, terrible death for the lady, thoughts with the family


  • #36
    Donal55
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭Donal55


    notjustsweet wrote: »
    There's no such thing as a dangerous dogs list.
    There's a restricted breed list which I assume is what you mean.


    1990 dangerous dogs list in the UK


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  • #37
    njs030
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,030 ✭✭✭njs030


    Donal55 wrote: »
    1990 dangerous dogs list in the UK

    What relevance does that have here???


  • #38
    DontThankMe
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    whoopsadoodles wrote: »
    Where can I find the dangerous dog list?

    http://www.dspca.ie/index.jsp?a=80&n=216&p=153


  • #39
    njs030
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    DontThankMe wrote: »
    http://www.dspca.ie/index.jsp?a=80&n=216&p=153

    Still not called dangerous.


  • #40
    Dyr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    NIMAN wrote: »
    These dogs should not be pets, simple as.

    Any I see around have the stereotypical onwer, young lad in trackie bottoms and baseball cap, trying to look hard.

    I suppose that's just loyalism for ya :D


  • #41
    borderlinemeath
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,373 ✭✭✭borderlinemeath


    Auldloon wrote: »
    Has anyone even clicked the link, it was 2 bull mastiffs not pit bulls ffs.

    Mastiffs are very strong dogs, much heavier and stronger than the demoned pit bull. It's a shocking incident and it'll only cement the idea that the dogs on the restricted breed list are dangerous in the minds of people who can't tell the difference between a pit bull and a mastiff.

    The fault of all of this lies with the owner, the relative of the poor woman. Having 2 powerful dogs who were obviously uncomfortable with "strangers" in their territory, yet they were loose to attack the now deceased woman.

    Another way you could look at it is that the restricted breed legislation has created this situation of badly socialised dogs. Given that they have to be muzzled and on a short leash in public, it makes it far harder to socialise an RB dog, with both other dogs and people - most people, even those walking a dog, will naturally walk the other way if they see a muzzled dog being walked towards them. You'll find they're not welcome at some training classes and even some kennels are finding it hard to keep their insurance if they accept RB dogs. What it does is leave dogs in a precarious situation where they might rarely get walked during normal daylight hours (I know RB owners who go out at midnight or 6am so they don't feel stigmatised) and leave them feeling afraid of people, and very territorial of their home.

    None of the above is of any help the poor woman though, RIP to her.


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  • #42
    Gael23
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    What a horrible way to die.


  • #43
    Ninjavampire
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 130 ✭✭Ninjavampire


    These type of tragedies always bring in the dog defenders blaming the owners straight away. It's like buying automatic rifles in walmart, people go on that they aren't dangerous, just the nut jobs who use them to shoot innocent people.


  • #44
    casscass4444
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 182 ✭✭casscass4444


    It was 2 bull mastiff dogs according to the article and people are already on the band wagon shouting about pit bulls.half the people ranting about pit bulls wouldn't know one from a boxer which coincidentally is a closer relation to a mastiff then a pit bull is.
    The only reason pit bull dogs ever got a bad reputation was because of the absolute idiots that keep them and train them to be people aggressive and enforce their hard man image. The dog is a victim of this.guaranteed if you got a pit bull pup in the morning and reared it in a stable loving environment it would turn out to be just fine.
    Not the dogs fault if it's reared by scum bag idiots.
    The history of the pit bull is as a fighting dog and therefore animal aggressive if properly trained the same as a gun dog is a natural retriever and swimmer if trained and the fact that the dogs had to be handled during the fights meant that they were not people aggressive through selective breeding.


  • #45
    Donal55
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    notjustsweet wrote: »
    What relevance does that have here???

    Your right. They're only dangeeous in the UK and the USA.
    This breed of dog wouldn't attack anyone here in Ireland.
    My apologies.


  • #46
    DontThankMe
    Closed Accounts Posts: 732 ✭✭✭DontThankMe


    notjustsweet wrote: »
    Still not called dangerous.

    It's implied by the fact that they must be muzzled on a short leash and controlled by someone over the age of 18.


  • #47
    lazybones32
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,647 ✭✭✭lazybones32


    XsApollo wrote: »
    The difference between a pit and a lab is obvious.
    Labs might bite more people , but that's as far as they will usually go.
    If A pitbull gets a set on you , it will kill or do serious damage to you or whatever it's after if it can.
    You will literally have to kill the dog to get it to stop.
    Labs were used by the Nazis in the camps more than any other breed: unbelievably vicious when encouraged to be.


  • #48
    Sam Kade
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,297 ✭✭✭✭Sam Kade


    whoopsadoodles wrote: »
    Where can I find the dangerous dog list?
    Here's one ;)

    The 14 most often blacklisted dog breeds were:
    ?Pit Bull Terriers
    ?Staffordshire Terriers
    ?Rottweilers
    ?German Shepherds
    ?Presa Canarios
    ?Chows Chows
    ?Doberman Pinschers
    ?Akitas
    ?Wolf-hybrids
    ?Mastiffs
    ?Cane Corsos
    ?Great Danes
    ?Alaskan Malamutes
    ?Siberian Huskies


  • #49
    pedigree 6
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    Pointless breeding these dogs nowadays.
    Bull mastiffs were bred from bulldogs and mastiffs as a gameskeepers dog to attack poachers at night on the estate.

    If you want a dog, don't get one that's bred for fighting or attacking people.


  • #50
    njs030
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    Ninjavampire wrote: »
    These type of tragedies always bring in the dog defenders blaming the owners straight away. It's like buying automatic rifles in walmart, people go on that they aren't dangerous, just the nut jobs who use them to shoot innocent people.

    Because it is the fault of the owners the same way that a gun is only as dangerous as the person in charge of it.

    A good owner will know their dog and know their strengths and weaknesss and act accordingly to protect the dog and the public.

    Bad owners create these situations.


  • #51
    ytpe2r5bxkn0c1
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    notjustsweet wrote: »
    Still not called dangerous.

    Bickering over semantics. I despair how people here seem to argue over anything just for the sake of it. Regardless of the breed and whether it's restricted or dangerous, black or white, the fact remains that a poor woman was killed by two dogs.


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  • #52
    lazybones32
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    Ninjavampire wrote: »
    These type of tragedies always bring in the dog defenders blaming the owners straight away. It's like buying automatic rifles in walmart, people go on that they aren't dangerous, just the nut jobs who use them to shoot innocent people.

    If the woman was savaged by 2 wild dogs it would be different. There is a human owner responsible for having 2 dogs in a residence in this case. The owner is responsible for what their pet's do.


  • #53
    freshpopcorn
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    Yisroel Dead Tightrope wrote: »
    So did RTE.

    Not that it matters what the breed was.

    A woman in her 60s has been killed by two dogs. Tragic.

    I was really doubting my memory thank you!


  • #54
    borderlinemeath
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,373 ✭✭✭borderlinemeath


    Ninjavampire wrote: »
    These type of tragedies always bring in the dog defenders blaming the owners straight away. It's like buying automatic rifles in walmart, people go on that they aren't dangerous, just the nut jobs who use them to shoot innocent people.

    The owners left the dogs loose, so yes I blame the owners.

    I also blame the government for legalising puppy farms on a mass scale, causing dogs to be badly bred, with nervous and aggressive tendencies ignored. A decent breeder won't breed from a dog that's shown either of the above but puppy farmers, back yard breeders don't give a shiit about the welfare or the mentality of the dog, they just want the money.

    A bit like all americans have the right to own a gun, even the mentally unstable, you have the nutjobs who cause massacres but you also have the lazy owner who lets their toddler find their weapon in their handbag or bedside table and then there's a tragedy. I think the poor woman got killed in a lazy owner situation, unaware of the dogs obviously being territorial and leaving them loose where they can do damage.


  • #55
    njs030
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    Yisroel Dead Tightrope wrote: »
    Bickering over semantics. I despair how people here seem to argue over anything just for the sake of it. Regardless of the breed and whether it's restricted or dangerous, black or white, the fact remains that a poor woman was killed by two dogs.

    It's not bickering over semantics.
    Calling certain breeds of dogs "dangerous" leads the general public to believe they are in fact dangerous (strange that!) which circles back around to these breeds finding it harder to be socialised, ending up in the wrong hands and being dumped in back gardens or in rescues.

    Correctly calling them restricted breeds helps to start changing perceptions to give them a chance and let people see that it can't be the fault of x amount of different dogs.
    Having a better way of vetting who is allowed to own them would be amazing but that's very unlikely.


  • #56
    Ninjavampire
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 130 ✭✭Ninjavampire


    notjustsweet wrote: »
    Because it is the fault of the owners the same way that a gun is only as dangerous as the person in charge of it.

    A good owner will know their dog and know their strengths and weaknesss and act accordingly to protect the dog and the public.

    Bad owners create these situations.

    It is objectively fair to say that there is blame on both parties. Big dangerous dogs that are bred for aggression/strength and people who shouldn't be dog owners.


  • #57
    The_Valeyard
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    Absolutely horrible way for a human life to end.

    RIP


  • #58
    borderlinemeath
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    DontThankMe wrote: »
    It's implied by the fact that they must be muzzled on a short leash and controlled by someone over the age of 18.

    16.

    If you're going to pretend to know about it, at least get the facts right.


  • #59
    Fozzie Bear
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    D3V!L wrote: »
    So are golden labs, they're responsible for more attacks on family members than any other dogs. Strangely they don't get any bad press.

    Genuine question, but could you show some links to where a Lab/Lab's have mauled people to death? I can find any amount of them for pit bulls.

    My concern being a lab might bite you but chances are he leaves it at that. A Pit bull will not stop. They are bred specifically to do this are they not? To fight, over power and kill their prey. There are videos online of pit bulls being beaten over the head with bars and they refuse to let go or stop. ANother of a pit bull attacking a horse, been beaten by passers by and eventually killed by the horse despite it being over powered and having no chance. They do not stop. They are horrbile creatures, bred to fight and kill bears, bulls and each other and there is no getting away from that.

    Pitbulls v Other breeds


  • #60
    njs030
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    Fozzie Bear wrote: »
    Genuine question, but could you show some links to where a Lab/Lab's have mauled people to death? I can find any amount of them for pit bulls.

    My concern being a lab might bite you but chances are he leaves it at that. A Pit bull will not stop. They are bred specifically to do this are they not? To fight, over power and kill their prey. There are videos online of pit bulls being beaten over the head with bars and they refuse to let go or stop. ANother of a pit bull attacking a horse, been beaten by passers by and eventually killed by the horse despite it being over powered and having no chance. They do not stop. They are horrbile creatures, bred to fight and kill bears, bulls and each other and there is no getting away from that.

    Pitbulls v Other breeds

    Why are you talking about pitbulls?


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  • #61
    MightyMunster
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    D3V!L wrote: »
    So are golden labs, they're responsible for more attacks on family members than any other dogs. Strangely they don't get any bad press.

    I have an Am-staff cross and he's the most pleasant dog you could come across.

    More attacks in total or per 1000 dogs? Makes a big difference as they are a very popular dog. Don't remember any stories of them killing anyone before either.


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