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Leinster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread VIII: May the Fourth Star Be With You!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,914 ✭✭✭Rigor Mortis


    phog wrote: »
    Why do people read and/or quote Neil Francis :(

    One of the things i like most about listening to UK rugby podcasts is realising that its not just in Ireland that people think Franno is a twat.


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,397 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    A quick overview of the team this year from the few matches I saw on the telly and bits I completely made up to fill some space.

    Michael Bent
    Consolidated his position as a reliable, if unexceptional TH at Pro 12 level. Don't expect much progress. Holding the fort for Porter?

    Adam Byrne
    Flashes of brilliance, speed and strength in abundance but found badly wanting at the business end of the season. Needs to get his positioning and defence sorted out pronto or could quickly run out of time to make a successful career.

    Bryan Byrne / Ed Byrne
    Injury and very limited appearance mean we're one year on and no closer to knowing if he have depth at hooker/prop

    Ross Byrne
    Found himself, perhaps unexpectedly, filling some mighty big boots and only rarely stumbling. The young out-half showed himself as a competent operator, with a good boot and an OK passing range. Whether through a natural reticence or strict coaching, did not venture forward much in search of solo glory, preferring to direct operations outwards. With a solid base, more time and confidence could see him as Leinster's starting 10 very soon.

    Joey Carbery
    His season looks as if it has been played back in some weird chronological order where he's gone from boot-boy to All-Black conqueror overnight, then back to fiddling about in different positions at club level, masterful displays
    belying his tender years followed by borderline inept performances. Questions remain over his size, his best position and his place-kicking and his talent will need to be carefully managed.

    Jack Conan
    Kicked on hugely from last year, battled manfully for a place in a crowded back row and took his chances when he got them. Lack of experience showed at times but that will come.

    Sean Cronin
    Injury ruined most of his season. We at least saw he still had the pace against Wasps but we're still pretty sure he can't throw or hook very well.

    Barry Daly
    Didn't do much to indicate he'll be anything more than a bit-part player for the foreseeable future.

    Tom Daly
    Made up the numbers. On the few occasions he started he looked a bit overwhelmed or apathetic.

    Billy Dardis
    Did not play. A specialist full-back who gets no minutes when the incumbent has a long term injury surely has no future at Leinster.

    Peter Dooley
    Racked up an impressive number of games in a squad with two (occasionally) world-class loose heads and the most promising front-rower in the academy. Didn't look out of place, didn't pull up any trees.

    Tadhg Furlong
    Possibly the most improved and impressive player for club and country this season. From green prospect to Lion, he showed an array of skills a tight-head has no business displaying, from triple-fending All Blacks
    to stepping Charlie Piutau. Showed some signs of fatigue at the end of the road, just to show he may be human.

    Jamison Gibson-Park
    Ran the gamut from serviceable to wretched. There were whispers of him being a potential project player at the start of the season when he still cared enough to battle for the 9 jersey. It's not surpising he failed to challenge
    TJ Pernerara back home.

    Cian Healy
    A few months into the season, Healy looked like he was climbing the mountain towards the illustrious peak he'd reached as a pup. Frustration and ill-discipline marred the back half of the year and, rather than chasing Jack McGrath, he must be glancing back at Dooley, or Porter if he switches back.

    Jamie Heaslip
    As his is wont, went about his job in meticulous fashion, like that guy in the corner of the office that seems to be watching the clock but whose sales are through the roof. Heaslip is the first stanza of Kipling's "If". Sorely missed
    when most needed when the unthinkable happened and he got injured.

    Robbie Henshaw
    Henshaw has spent close to a year straight running onto passes and arrowing into a pod of defenders without showing any sign of his energy or enthusiasm waning. Not encouraged enough to use his full box of tricks,
    which is a bit of a shame.

    Dave Kearney
    Dave must have pissed on the same Native American burial ground as Luke Fitzgerald. A nightmare season from which he'll hopefully emerge in September.

    Mick Kearney
    Played 12 times and did the square root of sod all. No obvious reason to keep him on the roster at this rate.

    Rob Kearney
    Very little game time due to injury. We know all we ever will about Rob himself by now. The only question is if in the queue of potential replacements there's a challenger who has the all-round game needed to oust him.

    Zane Kirchner
    ZK has been 'OK', 'fine' and occasionally 'grand' since he joined Leinster and by all accounts he was a well-liked and much respected player in the dressing room. His last few appearances featured a collection of howlers
    which hopefully won't sully his memory. His goodbye letter was lovely.

    Dan Leavy
    Chomping at the bit when the opportunity to make his mark in the back row of doom presented itself, Leavy had three-quarters of a brilliant season yet still has not quite nailed down a starting spot. Perhaps needs to establish
    himself as a specialist ruck-smasher, ball-grabber or link-man. Leinster may need to revise their policy of selecting Se?n O'Brien every time he looks like he can walk unaided to keep the young bucks believing the 7 jersey can be earned.

    Cathal Marsh
    Played less than half an hour over the season while Ross Byrne and Joey Carbery waved back at him from the departing bus. He'll need an injury to Sexton and Carbery moving to FB full-time to have a hope of a place on the bench. Should maybe think about moving north.

    Mike McCarthy
    He leaves Leinster, and rugby, having never scored a point in blue. A fond farewell to a player who made the most of his limited talents over a long career.

    Fergus McFadden
    The enigma continues. Is McFadden a hard-hitting defensive rock ideal for tight games against wily opposition or a plodding buffoon who somehow manages to get money (and caps) for playing rugby. Some might say the answer is
    in between the two, although these people have never made themselves known to the public.

    Jack McGrath
    McGrath has looked out of sorts for stretches during the season, but his 'out-of-sorts' is 'possibly starting for the Lions' so there's not a whole lot to worry about there. Moved further ahead of Cian Healy by running on the spot.

    Luke McGrath
    This was the year Luke McGrath finally got anointed the starting scrummie at Leinster and he added a couple of international caps for good measure. Progressed in the sense that his good game/bad game ratio is up to about 3:1 and his kicking looks like something of a weapon at times. Needs to kick on and challenge for the Ireland 21 shirt on a regular basis.

    Ross Molony
    There are occasions when Molony has looked promising, as though his skill set just needs a bit of polishing and exposure to make him a force in the row. There are also times when it looks like he's not actually on the pitch. With Fardy and James Ryan in the senior squad next year he needs a good kick up the arse if he's to get any meaningful game time.

    Jordi Murphy
    A brave warrior fallen in battle. Has a tough challenge now to put the injury behind him and fight off the 37 players who took his seat while we has away.

    Isa Nacewa
    Like the Isa of old from September to April when his form fell off a cliff, coinciding with a disastrous end of season for the club he captained with panache and dignity. It doesn't seem reasonable to expect a man with so many miles
    on the clock to keep performing at the very top level every week. Nobody seems to know what he's doing next but and ending now would seem strangely premature.

    Ian Nagle
    I don't think I saw him play all season. It would be unfair to comment, then, but, well... there's maybe a reason I didn't see him.

    Sean O'Brien
    A largely forgettable season for the Carlow man. On the rare occasions he was close to fit, he never really showed the power which has put fear into the hearts of man and machine for all these years. His career has been hanging in the balance for a while and his succession is assured. The unthinkable seems inevitable now. Has the Tank been emptied?

    Rory O'Loughlin
    For an academy player, ROL has shown remarkable maturity when called upon throughout the season and has caught the eye with some fine running lines. Unfortunate enough to have a baby genius ahead of him at 13 and a set of experienced wide men jostling for the wing position, he's made the most of the opportunity afforded him by injury and international absence and looks a very good prospect.

    Noel Reid
    "Great passer, can't tackle", has been the mantra around Reid since he first made an appearance in professional rugby. He's come on a bit of late and is no longer a liability in defence. In that bracket of players with Michael Bent that you're glad to have around but probably won't make up a song about.

    Garry Ringrose
    One of the stars of the season, Ringrose was on something of a hiding to nothing with all they hype around him breaking into the starting 15 and has seamlessly integrated the Irish side in the absence of Payne. The latter battle should be a hot topic for discussion for next year but there's simply nobody within a mile of him at Leinster. Needs to stop shooting out of the line every single time.

    Mike Ross
    So long Mike Ross, we were blessed to have you in blue and green at a time when Tight Heads couldn't be had for love, money or a bottomless bag of soda farls. "You had ONE job, Mike..." and he did it so well. Best of luck with the new gig.

    Rhys Ruddock
    Has looked immense at times, carrying with aplomb through the heaviest of traffic and setting up quick ruck ball. Has had a few howlers as well and suffers from the same problem as the other back rowers in that one bad game can undo all the good work of cementing your place with solid performances. Looks the most leader-like of the flankers.

    Dominic Ryan
    A promising Leinster career that stalled and petered out, culminating in a final appearance that summarised his time in Dublin with a lovely try and a horrible injury. Something had to give in that back row and here's hoping Dom can make a name for himself elsewhere.

    Johnny Sexton
    On the few occasions he played for Leinster this year he's either looked an effortless class above everyone around him or a racehorse in a plaster-cast head-butting a bees' nest. Opinions are split on whether he needs more rest
    or more game-time to get back to his best. Replacements are slowly coming through but are reaslistically still a long way off.

    Richardt Strauss
    "Hasn't been the same since..." It's true, he doesn't look like the first cousin of an international number 2 these days, but it's not as though we have an embarrassment of riches at hooker. Hard to see him make it back to the top
    of his game, and Clermont was a low point, but Strauss is not a man to give up without a fight.

    Devin Toner
    Lineouts, ruck-splitting, mauls fore and aft, Toner can keep doing the glamorous grunt work of the international lock 80 minutes a week, 44 weeks a year and rarely lets his performance level drop. Just don't ask him to bend down and pick up a rugby ball off the ground or run with it. The leader we need in the tight five, he's not going anywhere any time soon (including New Zealand).

    James Tracy
    A B- of a season from the blond front-rower. Leinster, and Ireland, need new blood to come good at hooker but Tracy has started, stuttered and stalled throughout the season. He's not been bad, by any stretch, but hasn't really
    impressed at any of the core duties of hooker and looks well behind the likes of Niall Scannell in his development at this point. Seems to be the kind of player that badly needs an old head to guide him. There's still a lot of hope
    for him at his young age.

    Hayden Triggs
    It takes some doing to come back from a luke-warm first season, a personal tragedy and turning 35 but Triggs has put together a string of performances forged of steel and guile, whether on the front foot or the back, and completely
    changed fans' opinions of him in this, his swan-song season.

    Josh van der Flier
    Thrown into the deep-end on a couple of occasions, van der Flier has responded to every challenge without blinking. The Highlander-like battle for the 7 shirt has seemed at times to be destined to end in his favour while at others he's been left looking at a team-sheet bereft of his name. The sooner the back row combination has been settled, the better, as for all the individual talents of the flankers available to Leinster, at times as a unit they have looked hoplessly off the pace.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    James Tracy
    A B- of a season from the blond front-rower.

    Don't believe his lies


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,258 ✭✭✭✭Buer


    Heaslip on OTB at 7.30pm.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 531 ✭✭✭Stan27


    Who is the better player. Leavy or vdf?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,258 ✭✭✭✭Buer


    Buer wrote: »
    Heaslip on OTB at 7.30pm.

    Very curious interview if anyone fancies a listen back. The injury discussion was very peculiar. Suffice to say the injury is far more serious than we've been led to believe to date.

    When the host brought it up initially, Heaslip brushed it off and said he'd rather not disclose personal medical details. They danced around it for a bit and what we know is that it was potentially very serious and career ending as well as possibly having implications for his life outside of rugby.

    When they initially asked him about the back issue he said something along the lines of it being in and around there. Also couldn't pinpoint as to when it originally occurred.

    In relation to his return date, he said there's no way he'll be playing rugby this summer. He said he knew he wasn't able to go on the Lions tour the week following the surgery.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,493 ✭✭✭P.Walnuts


    Buer wrote: »
    Very curious interview if anyone fancies a listen back. The injury discussion was very peculiar. Suffice to say the injury is far more serious than we've been led to believe to date.

    When the host brought it up initially, Heaslip brushed it off and said he'd rather not disclose personal medical details. They danced around it for a bit and what we know is that it was potentially very serious and career ending as well as possibly having implications for his life outside of rugby.

    When they initially asked him about the back issue he said something along the lines of it being in and around there. Also couldn't pinpoint as to when it originally occurred.

    In relation to his return date, he said there's no way he'll be playing rugby this summer. He said he knew he wasn't able to go on the Lions tour the week following the surgery.

    Wonder if Paul Kimmage was listening....


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,600 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatFromHue


    Paul Kimmage listens to things that interest him


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,232 ✭✭✭DGRulz


    If it's in the back region I wonder if could it go as far back as the Pape incident.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,258 ✭✭✭✭Buer


    DGRulz wrote: »
    If it's in the back region I wonder if could it go as far back as the Pape incident.

    Hard to say. Heaslip was remarkably guarded around it to the extent where you almost got the impression there may have even been something more serious at play. It was odd for him to flat out say he didn't want to talk about personal medical issues. He said something along the lines of going for a scan and the doctors seeing something that made them immediately schedule him in for surgery the next day.

    He was also rather muddy on the location of the issue which would tie in with the peculiar hamstring/back stories which were conflicting initially.

    It's hard to convey the tone and ambiguity of the conversation. Whatever was going on, it was far more serious than we realised at the time. I had been told by someone who is generally quite accurate in these things that his career was in jeopardy based on the scan. I thought it may be just the usual scaremongering but it seems that may now have been the case.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    Stan27 wrote: »
    Who is the better player. Leavy or vdf?
    Who do you think is better? Theyre both quite different and all depends on make up of back row and who opposition is as to who'll start


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,308 ✭✭✭✭.ak


    Buer wrote: »
    Hard to say. Heaslip was remarkably guarded around it to the extent where you almost got the impression there may have even been something more serious at play. It was odd for him to flat out say he didn't want to talk about personal medical issues. He said something along the lines of going for a scan and the doctors seeing something that made them immediately schedule him in for surgery the next day.

    He was also rather muddy on the location of the issue which would tie in with the peculiar hamstring/back stories which were conflicting initially.

    It's hard to convey the tone and ambiguity of the conversation. Whatever was going on, it was far more serious than we realised at the time. I had been told by someone who is generally quite accurate in these things that his career was in jeopardy based on the scan. I thought it may be just the usual scaremongering but it seems that may now have been the case.

    Your friend would be fairly close to hitting the nail there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,308 ✭✭✭✭.ak


    Also with regard to being muddy on the location, that's not true - in the sense that he/they weren't trying to be purposefully obtuse. He or the management weren't trying to cover anything up or hide anything. Your back/glute/hamstring are all connected, if you have tightness in the back you can feel the pain in your glute/hamstring sometimes.

    He complained of pain in that area, the guys pulled him, he went for a scan, and had surgery. All of that was above the table. It's unfair to discuss his condition from a management point of view because frankly the surgery was quite invasive and how he reacts to it will only show with time.


  • Posts: 13,104 ✭✭✭✭ Novalee Repulsive Scumbag


    Am I right in saying he got as far as the warm-up for the England game before deciding he couldn't play and went for the scan from that point? Hopefully he's back next season promptly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,258 ✭✭✭✭Buer


    Am I right in saying he got as far as the warm-up for the England game before deciding he couldn't play and went for the scan from that point? Hopefully he's back next season promptly.

    Correct. He was on the field prior to kick off when he stopped his warm up and called over the coaching and medical teams.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,595 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    A quick overview of the team this year from the few matches I saw on the telly and bits I completely made up to fill some space.

    Wonderful write up, now can you rearrange it by position.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,258 ✭✭✭✭Buer


    A quick overview of the team this year from the few matches I saw on the telly and bits I completely made up to fill some space.

    I find very little to quibble about in that assessment. Very much represents my own thoughts on the vast majority. A lot of good but a lot of falling short when it mattered too.

    As you've mentioned, a good number of younger lads will learn and benefit from all of this and I feel we've a stronger squad coming together for next season.

    The back row continues to be an area of great debate and, whilst it is a massive strength, it will be something of a weakness if we can't decide on our best unit.

    To be honest, I'm slightly unconvinced by Jack Conan. He's a terrific ball carrier and skilled player but he needs to develop a better breakdown game. When the breaks aren't coming, he tends to fade into the background a little bit as he did at the weekend. For all of our flankers, I'd love us to have another out and out 8 to compete with Conan with Heaslip coming to the end. Hopefully Deegan can step into that slot.

    I reckon one guy we have really missed and is very much forgotten at this stage is Jordi Murphy. Fantastic work rate and became a very good player at getting his hands dirty and cleaning out. I think he was on his way to becoming a very Jennings type player who followed a similar path having been a No. 8 at underage level.

    The other area that needs attention now is outhalf. Sexton is 32 and has a serious amount of hard miles on the clock. It's something of a catch 22. He needs more games to get the full benefit of him but we also need to develop Byrne and Carbery. I hope those two continue to get significant game time next season as we'll need them ready in 2 years.


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,397 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    I completely forgot Rory O'Loughlin. But so did the leinster website. Ross Byrne should have had his own section too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,026 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Mike Ross is in the Barbarians squad.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,058 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I completely forgot Rory O'Loughlin. But so did the leinster website. Ross Byrne should have had his own section too.

    He's still in the academy section of the website. As indeed is Carberry.

    They signed senior contracts in Feb though I have no idea if that just means from next season onwards or immediate.


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  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,397 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    Does that mean Marsh got paid more than Ross Byrne this year?


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,058 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Probably. Sports are a weird one when it comes to revenue curves really.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭swiwi_


    A quick overview of the team this year from the few matches I saw on the telly and bits I completely made up to fill some space.

    Very nice! Amusing but at the same time accurate.

    "As his is wont, went about his job in meticulous fashion, like that guy in the corner of the office that seems to be watching the clock but whose sales are through the roof." :pac:

    You'd swear you were a mod on the creative writing forum...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,779 ✭✭✭✭molloyjh


    So the squad for next season looks like this at the moment:

    Position|Players
    Loosehead|McGrath, Healy, Dooley, E Byrne
    Hooker|Cronin, Tracy, Strauss, B Byrne
    Tighthead|Furlong, Bent, Porter
    Lock|Toner, Fardy, Molony, Ryan, Kearney, Nagle
    Back Row|Heaslip, SOB, Ruddock, Murphy, VDF, Leavy, Conan, Timmins
    |
    Scrum Half|McGrath, JGP, McCarthy
    Out Half|Sexton, Marsh, Carbery, R Byrne
    Inside Centre|Henshaw, Reid, Daly
    Outside Centre|Ringrose, ROL
    Back Three|R Kearney, D Kearney, Nacewa, McFadden, A Byrne, Lowe, B Daly


    We need a top class hooker and probably some cover at tighthead. We should be fine besides that in the pack, especially if Ryan can start to deliver on his potential.

    McCarthy should be looking at next season as a real opportunity to get serious game time. We need Byrne and Carbery to continue their development too. With some of the young lads coming through in the outside backs we're probably reasonably well stocked going forward, but I wouldn't mind some centre cover too as we're not all that well stocked there at all as it stands.

    There are 3 NIQs and 1 Project in there as well as 20+ guys who could realistically get a call up to the national squad. Given the number of hookers in the squad at present I can't see us going to market for another. We could possibly do with a decent centre or utility back at the level of a Shaun Berne or an Andrew Goodman. Is there someone in the Academy that can step up? One of the O'Briens perhaps?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,762 ✭✭✭✭Winters


    molloyjh wrote: »
    There are 3 NIQs and 1 Project in there as well as 20+ guys who could realistically get a call up to the national squad.

    I would consider both JGP and Lowe as potential project players, am i correct?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,728 ✭✭✭Former Former


    I think the gap at hooker has seemed worse than it is because Cronin has played so little rugby. If he's back fit next season, the other three are more than enough cover. We will probably need to recruit from abroad in a year or two though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,762 ✭✭✭✭Winters


    Next season's squad in numbers:

    27/44 Ireland capped players (61%)*
    29/44 Internationally capped players - added Isa and Fardy (66%)*

    33/44 Players who have only ever played for Leinster (75%)**
    35/44 Leinster developed players - added Mick Kearney and Sexton (80%)
    38/44 Ireland developed players - added Cronin, Henshaw and Nagle (86%)
    40/44 Irish Eligible Players - JGP, Fardy, Lowe and Isa NIQ (91%)

    *As it is for next season I am assuming that James Ryan, Porter and ROL get capped this June.
    **Cheekily not counting Ryan's token Munster appearance and the bizarre fact that he hasn't appeared for the Leinster senior team yet.... :)

    9/44 St. Michael's College developed players (20%)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,154 ✭✭✭✭Neil3030


    God I love stats.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,258 ✭✭✭✭Buer


    Purely from a curiosity perspective after looking at similar for Munster, the below are the teams we've lined out since the 6N:

    Scarlets: Joey Carbery; Adam Byrne, Garry Ringrose, Robbie Henshaw, Isa Nacewa (capt); Johnny Sexton, Luke McGrath; Jack McGrath, James Tracy, Tadhg Furlong, Ross Molony, Hayden Triggs, Rhys Ruddock, Josh van der Flier, Jack Conan.

    Ulster: I Nacewa; A Byrne, G Ringrose, N Reid, F McFadden; J Carbery, L McGrath; J McGrath, J Tracy, T Furlong; D Toner, H Triggs; R Ruddock, J van der Flier, J Conan.

    Glasgow: Z Kirchner; A Byrne, R O'Loughlin, T Daly, F McFadden; R Byrne, N McCarthy; P Dooley; J Tracy, M Ross; R Molony (capt), M Kearney; D Ryan, J van der Flier, Leavy.

    Clermont: Carbery; McFadden, G Ringrose, Henshaw, Nacewa; Sexton, L McGrath; J McGrath, Strauss, Furlong, Toner, Triggs, Ruddock, Leavy, Conan.

    Connacht: Kirchner, A. Byrne, O'Loughlin, Reid, D. Kearney, R. Byrne, L. McGrath, Healy, Tracy, Ross, Molony, Triggs, D. Ryan, van der Flier, Ruddock.

    Ospreys: Isa Nacewa (capt); Rory O'Loughlin, Zane Kirchner, Robbie Henshaw, Fergus McFadden; Joey Carbery, Jamison Gibson-Park; Jack McGrath, Sean Cronin, Tadhg Furlong, Devin Toner, Mick Kearney, Rhys Ruddock, Josh van der Flier, Jack Conan.

    Wasps: Carbery; Byrne, Ringrose, Henshaw, Nacewa; Sexton, McGrath; McGrath, Strauss, Furlong, Toner, Triggs, Leavy, O'Brien, Conan

    Cardiff: J Carbery; A Byrne, R O'Loughlin, N Reid, I Nacewa; R Byrne, L McGrath; C Healy, R Strauss, M Bent; R Molony, H Triggs; D Leavy, J van der Flier, R Ruddock.

    The most any back row started together was 3 times: Conan, VDF and Ruddock with 2 of those being in the last 2 games. Those were also their only games together this season.

    The same with the back three in Carbery, Byrne and Nacewa with 3 appearances, also their only appearances as a combination this season.

    At half back, there was an impressive level of chopping and changing given there are only two spots. Sexton and McGrath were partnered together on 3 occasions since the 6N which includes the 20 minutes they got together last Friday. So basically they've hadn't played in the Pro12 together since January 6th.

    I could go through the team section by section but it's the same. Very little continuity and consistent chopping and changing of units whether it's in the pack or the backs.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭swiwi_


    molloyjh wrote: »

    We need a top class hooker and probably some cover at tighthead. We should be fine besides that in the pack, especially if Ryan can start to deliver on his potential.

    You have top class starting props and lots of choice in the backrow. Ringrose is very classy, Henshaw too, and I do like what Carbery brings.

    The biggest problem is consistency. Most of the Leinster players had at least one, if not several, highly impressive performances this season...but not at the business end of the season so much. Fixing that will go a long way.

    I'm looking forward to seeing if Lowe turns out to be a good signing. He can struggle for consistency at times too, but when he is on form he is pretty good value.


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