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Lambs and minerals

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  • #32
    Ard_MC
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    Username John wrote: »
    Just spotted these on agri direct...

    https://www.agridirect.ie/product/cobalt-master-plus-selenium-100-pack

    Anyone ever use them?

    The sales blurb would indicate 1000mg cobalt, that they last for 12 months... they're not cheap, at 115euro for 100 bolus...

    Any thoughts?

    I give them to the ewes 2 weeks before the ram goes out. I cant fault them. Have no scientific evidence but ewes get no more cobalt for the year and spend 6 months on the hill give or take.

    Lambs get drenched cobalt and minerals every worm dose.


  • #33
    ganmo
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    Ard_MC wrote: »
    I give them to the ewes 2 weeks before the ram goes out. I cant fault them. Have no scientific evidence but ewes get no more cobalt for the year and spend 6 months on the hill give or take.

    Lambs get drenched cobalt and minerals every worm dose.

    I'd give it to them a week or 2 earlier to get the most out of it.

    I'm still puzzled why they've magnesium in it, unless they meant manganese


  • #34
    Username John
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    ganmo wrote: »
    I'd give it to them a week or 2 earlier to get the most out of it.

    I'm still puzzled why they've magnesium in it, unless they meant manganese

    No, seems to be magnesium - well, at least that's what listed in a few websites... including here...

    http://www.mayohealthcare.ie/product-details.php?ID=6

    On a side note - they cheaper here than on agri direct...
    http://burnslivestocksupplements.com/product/cobalt-master-selenium-sheep-bolus/


  • #35
    ganmo
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    Username John wrote: »
    No, seems to be magnesium - well, at least that's what listed in a few websites... including here...

    http://www.mayohealthcare.ie/product-details.php?ID=6

    On a side note - they cheaper here than on agri direct...
    http://burnslivestocksupplements.com/product/cobalt-master-selenium-sheep-bolus/
    those 2 have lower cobalt than the original, 1000 vs 750 :confused:


  • #36
    Username John
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    ganmo wrote: »
    those 2 have lower cobalt than the original, 1000 vs 750 :confused:

    Yeah, I'd trust the mayo site more than agri direct...
    So I'd be more inclined to say it's 750mg

    I had a look at the agrimin ones, and they list their bolus release 0.8mg / day...

    If the 12 months release evenly (which is debatable too, but for the simplicity of the maths)
    750 / 352 = 2.1mg / day...
    Which is 2.5 times the amount of cobalt every day...


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  • #37
    Bleating Lamb
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    I give lambs 'Cobalt b12 with Selenium' drench a couple of times through the summer,find it good,do others here use it?


  • #38
    Ard_MC
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    Bleating Lamb wrote: »
    I give lambs 'Cobalt b12 with Selenium' drench a couple of times through the summer,find it good,do others here use it?

    No, do you mix it yourself or is it made up in a product?


  • #39
    Lambman
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    That's a jar made up and all he's talking about... alot cheaper making it urself... any reason why I can't worm dose give cobalt dose and inject heptavac into lambs in the 1 day?


  • #40
    Username John
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    Bleating Lamb wrote: »
    I give lambs 'Cobalt b12 with Selenium' drench a couple of times through the summer,find it good,do others here use it?
    Ard_MC wrote: »
    No, do you mix it yourself or is it made up in a product?

    I would dose with cobalt, mixed from cobalt sulphate - as Ard_Mc says, its a lot cheaper than buying the B12 stuff... the last dose the hog here got, there was growvite mixed in as well... :)

    I was told previously (and am open to correction on this, from someone more knowledgable)
    - cobalt is necessary for physiological functions
    - b12 is necessary for cobalt production
    - b12 cannot be taken into the body from an oral dose
    - b12 needs to be injected

    Now, I know you see a lot of b12 + cobalt doses, and I have used them myself before.
    I suppose I am saying I don't understand why they have a dose with b12 in it, when it cant be absorbed in the stomach :confused:

    (I could be just plain wrong too, which would explain it all) :)


  • #41
    ganmo
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    Username John wrote: »
    I would dose with cobalt, mixed from cobalt sulphate - as Ard_Mc says, its a lot cheaper than buying the B12 stuff... the last dose the hog here got, there was growvite mixed in as well... :)

    I was told previously (and am open to correction on this, from someone more knowledgable)
    - cobalt is necessary for physiological functions
    - b12 is necessary for cobalt production
    - b12 cannot be taken into the body from an oral dose
    - b12 needs to be injected

    Now, I know you see a lot of b12 + cobalt doses, and I have used them myself before.
    I suppose I am saying I don't understand why they have a dose with b12 in it, when it cant be absorbed in the stomach :confused:

    (I could be just plain wrong too, which would explain it all) :)

    you've that ass over tits john.
    cobalt is needed to make b12.


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  • #42
    Username John
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    ganmo wrote: »
    you've that ass over tits john.
    cobalt is needed to make b12.

    ah - that would be that... ;)

    Am I wrong also on the b12 absorption?


  • #43
    ganmo
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    Username John wrote: »
    ah - that would be that... ;)

    Am I wrong also on the b12 absorption?
    its absorbed in the small intestine, in ruminants its made in the rumen so it would survive the trip


  • #44
    Ard_MC
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    Lambman wrote: »
    That's a jar made up and all he's talking about... alot cheaper making it urself... any reason why I can't worm dose give cobalt dose and inject heptavac into lambs in the 1 day?

    Give the worm and cobalt all the 1 day but always leave the heptvac for another day..only 1 reason is i think they are fed up of me and i am fed up with them at that stage!!


  • #45
    Username John
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    ganmo wrote: »
    its absorbed in the small intestine, in ruminants its made in the rumen so it would survive the trip

    I was all wrong so... ;)

    Thanks ganmo...


  • #46
    Lambman
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    Why do u leave heptavac for another day?


  • #47
    rangler1
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    Ard_MC wrote: »
    Give the worm and cobalt all the 1 day but always leave the heptvac for another day..only 1 reason is i think they are fed up of me and i am fed up with them at that stage!!

    We mix the Cobalt in the first worm dose, don't know whether it's the cobalt or the wormer but it's the only dose in the year that I see a result with.


  • #48
    Ard_MC
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    rangler1 wrote: »
    We mix the Cobalt in the first worm dose, don't know whether it's the cobalt or the wormer but it's the only dose in the year that I see a result with.


    Roughly what ratio Rangler? I lamb alot later than you, and first dose next Saturday!


  • #49
    rangler1
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    Ard_MC wrote: »
    Roughly what ratio Rangler? I lamb alot later than you, and first dose next Saturday!

    15 grams (I think that's about half an ounce ) to the litre of wormer and the lambs are getting 5ml dose.
    We mix it very well and we still put it through a tea strainer to get the gritty bits out.....it'd break your heart some times in the dosing gun.
    Probably because our cobalt is around a couple years...
    Keeping it mixed is important


  • #50
    ganmo
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    rangler1 wrote: »
    15 grams (I think that's about half an ounce ) to the litre of wormer and the lambs are getting 5ml dose.
    We mix it very well and we still put it through a tea strainer to get the gritty bits out.....it'd break your heart some times in the dosing gun.
    Probably because our cobalt is around a couple years...keeping it mixed is important
    would you not dissolve the cobalt in water and then add it to the dose?


  • #51
    rangler1
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    ganmo wrote: »
    would you not dissolve the cobalt in water and then add it to the dose?

    Would the water not divide from the dose......anyway the bits of grit that's in ours wouldn't dissolve no matter what you did, they get caught in the valves.
    We have around 350 lambs to dose and bolus tomorrow and 200 ewes to Clik .....not looking forward to it.
    We gave them cobalt in the last dose and they really look well


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  • #52
    ganmo
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    rangler1 wrote: »
    Would the water not divide from the dose......anyway the bits of grit that's in ours wouldn't dissolve no matter what you did, they get caught in the valves.
    We have around 350 lambs to dose and bolus tomorrow and 200 ewes to Clik .....not looking forward to it.
    We gave them cobalt in the last dose and they really look well
    depends on the dose, been a long time since i did it here, panacur came separated and after a quick mix it took a fair while to separate again.

    never nice having to tear apart the gun mid run


  • #53
    Bleating Lamb
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    :o
    rangler1 wrote: »
    Would the water not divide from the dose......anyway the bits of grit that's in ours wouldn't dissolve no matter what you did, they get caught in the valves.
    We have around 350 lambs to dose and bolus tomorrow and 200 ewes to Clik .....not looking forward to it.
    We gave them cobalt in the last dose and they really look well

    Is it to save having to use two different dosing guns to dose them that you mix the cobalt with the worm dose?


  • #54
    rangler1
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    Bleating Lamb wrote: »
    :o

    Is it to save having to use two different dosing guns to dose them that you mix the cobalt with the worm dose?

    Yea, why do it in two doses when you can do it in one


  • #55
    Lambman
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    I also might just go with the 2 dosing guns as I buy the cobalt mixed and all in gallon jars... any body else know why you'd leave the heptavac for another day? The way I look at it is the wormer and cobalt is drenched and the heptavac is injected so don't see why both cana be done in the same day?...


  • #56
    razor8
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    I've heard Some vaccines dont work very well if the animals are stressed, doing too many jobs at the same time may not help situation
    Dunno if true or not


  • #57
    Lambman
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    Taking them in 2 days in a row wud be more stressful... just gonna go with it.


  • #58
    stantheman1979
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    Lambman wrote: »
    Taking them in 2 days in a row wud be more stressful... just gonna go with it.

    Ive seen a man worm dose, grow vite, clik, heptevac, lubin ill(kill ticks), tag, ear notch, footbath, raddle and then walk horned hoggets couple of miles up to the mountain in one day. I dont know if he lost any on account of it all and not saying its the thing to do as hes the laziest man I know.


  • #59
    J.O. Farmer
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    stantheman1979 wrote: »
    Ive seen a man worm dose, grow vite, clik, heptevac, lubin ill(kill ticks), tag, ear notch, footbath, raddle and then walk horned hoggets couple of miles up to the mountain in one day. I dont know if he lost any on account of it all and not saying its the thing to do as hes the laziest man I know.

    He doesn't sound lazy facing into all that work with what I'm guessing is a big enough number of hoggets on one day.
    If he's putting them to the mountain it's probably not handy to run them in the following week.


  • #60
    stantheman1979
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    Yeah he would have 150 to do but would get a few lads to help. Well that's the first thing that's been done to them since they were born. A year later and it was done in a few hrs,so I would say he's lazy.


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  • #61
    Lambman
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    Worm dosed lambs here today with zerofen lambs weren't dirty at all they looked dirtyier a few weeks ago... seem till be doing ok nothing lagging behind anyhow but might go with a cobalt oral dose at the weekend in them as I'll be shifting them then onto new grass... have a bottle off the cobalt with b12 lying here say I'll go with that instead a mixing up a batch myself... what's people's schedule this time off year for cobalting lambs? Every worm dose i guess for handyness? Or handier again bolus them although it's costly and didn't prove a great success here last year!


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