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Sexism you have personally experienced or have heard of? *READ POST 1*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,576 ✭✭✭deaddonkey15


    red ears wrote: »
    Empower women.. empowerment of women... i'm completely sick of that word empower.. What empowerment do they need in 2017 everything is set up for them. They have never had it so good.

    Quite a bit of irony in that I think. "Empowering" people by assisting them and making things easier for them? Surely women would be more empowered if they actually achieved what they wanted through their own hard work and initiative without being aided at the expense of others. All these schemes just send out a message that women are actively being prevented from doing and achieving what they want and it's really not true.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,214 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    silverharp wrote: »
    might be unfair picking on these tweets , but if talking about equality one should be looking at reasonable ways of achieving 50/50, given the way the prism is normally turned the other way


    https://twitter.com/SimonCommunity/status/859784272919629824

    Not unfair at all. In fact homeless women and children get far more coverage in the media so I have no idea what the Simon Community are on about.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,364 ✭✭✭✭cantdecide


    Quite a bit of irony in that I think. "Empowering" people by assisting them and making things easier for them?

    Empowerment through victimhood and infantilisation. The only thing that should pay over the odds in our capitalist society are good ideas and hard work. Generally speaking, if you're not successful, it's because an absence of one of the above. If that's not for you, you should consider becoming a primary school teacher or something equally 'safe'.

    The 'patriarchy' seems to exist to ensure double standards and special privileges for women using tax payers money to do so.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,585 ✭✭✭ligerdub


    cantdecide wrote: »
    Empowerment through victimhood and infantilisation. The only thing that should pay over the odds in our capitalist society are good ideas and hard work. Generally speaking, if you're not successful, it's because an absence of one of the above. If that's not for you, you should consider becoming a primary school teacher or something equally 'safe'.

    The 'patriarchy' seems to exist to ensure double standards and special privileges for women using tax payers money to do so.

    Funnily enough the gender split tends to be more skewed towards females in terms of primary school teaching and other careers with more work/life balance i.e. shorter hours and longer holidays. That's no criticism of women by the way, it's a perfectly reasonable decision.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,364 ✭✭✭✭cantdecide


    ligerdub wrote: »
    Funnily enough the gender split tends to be more skewed towards females in terms of primary school teaching and other careers with more work/life balance i.e. shorter hours and longer holidays. That's no criticism of women by the way, it's a perfectly reasonable decision.

    Some thoughts from Jordan Petersen. His examples are on the far end but the underlying truth is there.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    Did anybody read the Independent today, be interested to know how the following article read and what it's narrative was as it sure sounds like a load of sexist tosh from the following lead up piece regarding it:

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/inside-the-womens-prison-society-says-she-deserves-what-she-gets-but-the-child-is-also-impacted-by-this-35709316.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,447 ✭✭✭Calhoun


    Did anybody read the Independent today, be interested to know how the following article read and what it's narrative was as it sure sounds like a load of sexist tosh from the following lead up piece regarding it:

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/inside-the-womens-prison-society-says-she-deserves-what-she-gets-but-the-child-is-also-impacted-by-this-35709316.html

    Indeed I did I linked it in the thread in AH , we want equality but not in the though areas because think of the children .

    Pure BS, i think though the article is sexist against women though as it reenforces the whole patriarchal view of how the world should work.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 945 ✭✭✭red ears


    This is a very interesting piece in psychology today.

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/talking-about-men/201705/gender-and-mental-health-do-men-matter-too

    From the article: Firstly, the phrase "gender equality" is implicitly equated with women’s health throughout the report. Only two paragraphs out of 163 are devoted to men’s mental health.


    Yes we do indeed have inequality in Europe today but it is not women who are disadvantaged its quite often men.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,845 ✭✭✭py2006


    "We would argue that equality is not about treating everybody the same. Equality is about treating everybody in accordance with their specific needs."


    Inside a women's prison: 'My daughter thinks I'm away doing a hairdressing course'

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/inside-a-womens-prison-my-daughter-thinks-im-away-doing-a-hairdressing-course-35706399.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,214 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    py2006 wrote: »
    "We would argue that equality is not about treating everybody the same. Equality is about treating everybody in accordance with their specific needs."


    Inside a women's prison: 'My daughter thinks I'm away doing a hairdressing course'

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/inside-a-womens-prison-my-daughter-thinks-im-away-doing-a-hairdressing-course-35706399.html

    That quote has a serious whiff of marxism to it, treating everyone to their specifics needs!!
    Sounds great in theory but who decides what those needs are and when they get them. If people can't see who morally bankrupt such a system would be then they should read up on the Soviet union and China under Mao.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,928 ✭✭✭iptba


    Did anybody read the Independent today, be interested to know how the following article read and what it's narrative was as it sure sounds like a load of sexist tosh from the following lead up piece regarding it:

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/inside-the-womens-prison-society-says-she-deserves-what-she-gets-but-the-child-is-also-impacted-by-this-35709316.html

    I find this piece the most unbalanced:
    Women in prison: The need for radical reform
    Expert view: Dr Christina Quinlan
    http://www.independent.ie/life/women-in-prison-the-need-for-radical-reform-35706365.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    blame the mens :D

    http://nypost.com/2017/05/13/childish-men-are-to-blame-for-women-having-kids-late-in-life/
    Childish men are to blame for women having kids late in life

    I hear the same story, told in different ways, all over New York City.

    There’s 34-year-old Kate, who works in finance downtown. “She’s beautiful, smart, talented . . . everything going for her,” her colleague tells me. “But her boyfriend doesn’t feel settled in his career, so she spent thousands of dollars to freeze her eggs as she waits for him to be ready.”

    Susan, 41, a single senior marketing executive from the Upper East Side, is eight months pregnant. After waiting for her match and not finding him, she decided to have a baby on her own.

    And then there’s Joanna, from the Upper West Side, who tells me that at age 32, she stepped off the partner track at her law firm, halving her salary to work in the firm’s marketing department, so she could focus on landing a husband. But at 39, Joanna is still single and childless — and unsatisfied in her career.

    These women aren’t alone. The latest US Census Fertility Report, published last week, found that for the first time in reported history over half (53.8 percent) of women ages 25-29 are childless and a record 30.8 percent of American women ages 30 to 34 haven’t given birth. Most of these women are college-educated. And most are single.


    The census labels childless college-educated women over age 35 the “delayer boom” — as if we gathered together in a collective conspiracy in defiance of motherhood. Others dub this cohort “career women” as if we made a choice between having a family and a career. (There are no “career men,” mind you.) Some blame women for being naive about their fertility, as if we had no monthly reminder of our own ticking clock.

    The trouble with all this finger pointing is that it leaves out half of the baby-making equation: men.

    Women want an equal partner, but there are increasingly fewer candidates to choose from. The census reports that “the average adult woman in the US is more likely to be a college graduate than the average adult man.” Moreover, today’s young, childless female city-dwellers with college degrees are out-earning their male counterparts by 8 cents on the dollar. Their higher incomes may be why they are less likely (29 percent) to be living with their parents than single men (35 percent).

    It’s not surprising then that a 2012 Pew Research study found, in a reversal of traditional gender roles, that while two-thirds of millennial women say that “being successful in a high-paying career or profession” is of high importance to them, only 59 percent of young men do. At the same time, a significantly larger number of young women than men say that a successful marriage is “one of the most important things in life.” Almost 60 percent of women rate successful parenting as one of the most important parts of life, while only 47 percent of young men do, according to Pew.

    Today’s empowered young women are not only placing greater value on the importance of marriage and parenthood than the generation that precedes them, they also value high paying careers more than ever. And millennial men? They’re lagging behind.

    This shift has caused a seesaw effect. “When women are in oversupply, men have the advantage and delay marriage and parenthood,” Jon Birger, author of “Date-onomics: How Dating Became a Lopsided Numbers Game,” told The Post. And when men are scarce, women put an even stronger focus on their careers so they can take care of themselves with a financial safety net. Meanwhile, men take a step back in their career ambition, no longer having to impress an oversupply of women with their financial prowess.

    Women can’t wait for today’s perpetual male adolescence to change course. And they can’t bank on finding an equal mate while they’re of childbearing age — if ever. If they want a family, single women have to come up with a Plan B, where a young man with the same socioeconomic status isn’t necessarily part of the picture.



    For some young college educated women, an older partner may work. Middle-aged men place a higher value on marriage and parenthood than their younger counterparts do, according to Pew. Birger also advises college-educated women to consider a different cohort of men altogether. “If there are too many women in the white-collar dating world,” Birger contends, “that means there are too many men in the blue-collar one. I think it’s inevitable that we’ll see more and more of what I call ‘mixed-collar’ marriages in the future.”

    Either way, like Kate and Susan, young women should plan for later age fertility and motherhood, now. Egg-freezing is an option for those who can afford what can cost $12,000 or more, plus ongoing storage fees, and later IVF – albeit, with no guarantee of success.

    Whatever choice they make, young women should consider their options, and move forward. Wait for love, absolutely. But be ready in case love doesn’t come in time for motherhood.

    Melanie Notkin is the author of “Otherhood: Modern Women Finding a New Kind of Happiness” and founder of Savvy Auntie.

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 945 ✭✭✭red ears


    silverharp wrote: »

    Someone should tell that author marriage isn't the great deal for men she thinks it is. She shouldn't be surprised they aren't as interested in it as women. If it fails.. men are screwed.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,957 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    maybe
    I don't see how a man who's unsettled in his career is immature. The author seems to have a very weird train of thought.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,499 ✭✭✭Carlos Orange


    No
    I always find those kind of articles weird. Maybe it is just that I don't buy into the idea that just because women want to be married , have kids and have high paying jobs that men are obliged to want things that complement that. Some will , some wont and what men do will probably be influenced by how those various institutions treat men.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    psinno wrote: »
    I always find those kind of articles weird. Maybe it is just that I don't buy into the idea that just because women want to be married , have kids and have high paying jobs that men are obliged to want things that complement that. Some will , some wont and what men do will probably be influenced by how those various institutions treat men.

    She is almost a cliche , did some humanities degree and now gets paid to write stuff on the internet living in her own bubble like some z version of sex in the city. Meanwhile most other people are getting on with it and at the end of the day you generally get what you put time and effort into wanting.
    Clearly there is a statistical change at the margin and it means something but it includes economics and reducing it to men prefer video games is just avoiding responsibility.


    you could almost write an essay on each of her paragraphs , but take the one below, women out earning men is considered ok or not worth commenting on but talk about the "wage gap" the other way and something must be done.
    Women want an equal partner, but there are increasingly fewer candidates to choose from. The census reports that “the average adult woman in the US is more likely to be a college graduate than the average adult man.” Moreover, today’s young, childless female city-dwellers with college degrees are out-earning their male counterparts by 8 cents on the dollar. Their higher incomes may be why they are less likely (29 percent) to be living with their parents than single men (35 percent).


    or this one, clearly not true or needs to be unpacked
    Today’s empowered young women are not only placing greater value on the importance of marriage and parenthood than the generation that precedes them, they also value high paying careers more than ever. And millennial men? They’re lagging behind.

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,585 ✭✭✭ligerdub


    They know it's not going to be challenged in any meaningful way.

    We are living in an era of almost zero consequences for low grade opinions.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,576 ✭✭✭deaddonkey15


    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/oxford-student-christ-church-lavinia-woodward-stabbed-boyfriend-avoid-jail-extraordinary-talent-a7739411.html

    Similar story here to the rape case involving the Stanford swimmer in the United States. I doubt the there will be as much uproar if this girl's talent get's her off the hook. Personally, a drug user with an anger management problem is not someone who I'd like to have operating on my heart.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 945 ✭✭✭red ears


    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/oxford-student-christ-church-lavinia-woodward-stabbed-boyfriend-avoid-jail-extraordinary-talent-a7739411.html

    Similar story here to the rape case involving the Stanford swimmer in the United States. I doubt the there will be as much uproar if this girl's talent get's her off the hook. Personally, a drug user with an anger management problem is not someone who I'd like to have operating on my heart.

    It hardly needs to be said but reverse the genders and you would have a custodial sentence, expulsion from university and disbarred from working in the medical profession.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,576 ✭✭✭deaddonkey15


    red ears wrote: »
    It hardly needs to be said but reverse the genders and you would have a custodial sentence, expulsion from university and disbarred from working in the medical profession.

    And if not, international uproar over a lenient sentence due to his academic ability.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,030 ✭✭✭✭Panthro


    maybe
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4510778/Student-stabbed-lover-spared-jail.html


    Did ya ever hear such shyte?
    I'm going to out now and stab someone* and sure I'll be sound like because I've an "extraordinary" talent ( I breathe in...wait for it..and out, all by myself!)
    If it were a fella it wouldn't have been a "swipe" it would have been a "bloodbath massacre" and he'd be fuct into prison for years on end.
    Bloody sickening.


    *I won't. Too busy this week


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    Panthro wrote: »
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4510778/Student-stabbed-lover-spared-jail.html


    Did ya ever hear such shyte?
    I'm going to out now and stab someone* and sure I'll be sound like because I've an "extraordinary" talent ( I breathe in...wait for it..and out, all by myself!)
    If it were a fella it wouldn't have been a "swipe" it would have been a "bloodbath massacre" and he'd be fuct into prison for years on end.
    Bloody sickening.


    *I won't. Too busy this week

    she seems to have the mental fortitude of jelly, god help her future patients.

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    Panthro wrote: »

    does it even matter, presumably employment applications ask have you been convicted of serious criminal acts? and not specifically have you gone to jail? I assume this will still follow her around like a bad smell


    Now just to play devil's advocate wasn't there a stink here about a judge letting a student off so that he could get into a career. Is it possible its more a class thing and that if it was a male up and coming surgeon the judge might gone down a similar route difference being media would be hyperventilating whereas this actual case will be forgotten about by tomorrow?

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭kunst nugget


    maybe
    silverharp wrote: »
    does it even matter, presumably employment applications ask have you been convicted of serious criminal acts? and not specifically have you gone to jail? I assume this will still follow her around like a bad smell


    Now just to play devil's advocate wasn't there a stink here about a judge letting a student off so that he could get into a career. Is it possible its more a class thing and that if it was a male up and coming surgeon the judge might gone down a similar route difference being media would be hyperventilating whereas this actual case will be forgotten about by tomorrow?

    I reckon it's very much a class thing as well. Look how lightly some people are dealt with in Irish courts when they have the right address and a good lawyer. As for her career? She's fooked anyway. One google of her name is all it will take.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,566 ✭✭✭ZeitgeistGlee


    maybe
    "Best justice money can buy." Laughable.

    I wonder how eager Christ College would be to take back a male student convicted of slashing his girlfriend during an intoxicated row.
    Mitigating, James Sturman QC said his client’s dreams of becoming a surgeon were “almost impossible” as her conviction would have to be disclosed.

    Such a shame, she seemed to have such a natural aptitude for it too. :rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 945 ✭✭✭red ears


    I see there is a bit of a furore in Brooklyn about a woman only screening of wonder woman. I'm sure the men of Brooklyn will be heartbroken. But it is sexist though and wouldn't go down well if sexes were reversed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,845 ✭✭✭py2006


    red ears wrote: »
    I see there is a bit of a furore in Brooklyn about a woman only screening of wonder woman. I'm sure the men of Brooklyn will be heartbroken. But it is sexist though and wouldn't go down well if sexes were reversed.

    Not only that, it will be female only staff on too.
    "Apologies, gentlemen, but we're embracing our girl power and saying 'No Guys Allowed' for one special night at the Alamo Ritz," the theater wrote on its site. "And when we say 'People Who Identify As Women Only,' we mean it. Everyone working at this screening — venue staff, projectionist, and culinary team — will be female."

    http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/wonder-woman-screening-women-only-hysterical-men-a7756791.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,585 ✭✭✭ligerdub


    They'll have their night, but they'll suffer for it afterwards. Men won't like being considered in this light and will be less likely to go back, the same goes for the film itself.

    I hear that when challenged on the women only screening that they responded by putting on a second all female screening! This **** is nuts!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,845 ✭✭✭py2006


    ligerdub wrote: »
    They'll have their night, but they'll suffer for it afterwards. Men won't like being considered in this light and will be less likely to go back, the same goes for the film itself.

    I hear that when challenged on the women only screening that they responded by putting on a second all female screening! This **** is nuts!

    To be fair, most men couldn't give a hoot about this kinda thing in general. Its the obvious furore of the reverse that men are pointing out.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    its the mens :D

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    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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