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Garda investigated after CCTV showing arrest of naked, distressed woman goes viral.

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  • #242
    Conor Bourke
    Hosted Moderators Posts: 17,426 ✭✭✭✭Conor Bourke


    biscuithead wrote: »
    It IS NOT disingenuous. People are stating that the police officer, rather than helping the woman, stood at the scene and filmed her in her naked state. That DID NOT HAPPEN. HE WAS NOT THERE.

    That is an important piece of information.

    There might have been a misunderstanding early in the thread but it has been clarified numerous times since. I am not going to comb the thread for examples but the main theme of people's upset as I see it is that the guard circulated the video.

    Why are you so intent on detracting from the issue at hand?


  • #243
    tomwaterford
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,768 ✭✭✭✭tomwaterford


    biscuithead wrote: »
    It IS NOT disingenuous. People are stating that the police officer, rather than helping the woman, stood at the scene and filmed her in her naked state. That DID NOT HAPPEN. HE WAS NOT THERE.

    That is an important piece of information.

    Who said this??

    For all we know he couldve been there and recorded it when he got back to the station?


    Either way,amazing this has to be spelled out....in no circumstamces was what happened here ok


  • #244
    biscuithead
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 157 ✭✭biscuithead


    Cornelius Crow wrote: »
    There might have been a misunderstanding early in the thread but it has been clarified numerous times since. I am not going to comb the thread for examples but the main theme of people's upset as I see it is that the guard circulated the video.

    Why are you so intent on detracting from the issue at hand?

    Because it is important. If you don't want to take the time to "trawl" through a thread then don't complain when you are mistaken or have taken the wrong end of the stick.

    Nobody has condoned, glorified, encouraged or otherwise supported what this guard and his coterie have done, despite the allusions of many on here.

    We have people demanding that the guard be sued or jailed and when some, myself included, say " hold on" we .... or at least i am/are accused of thinking it's just fine to film and distribute footage of someone prone.


  • #245
    paleoperson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,522 ✭✭✭paleoperson


    biscuithead wrote: »
    Because it is important. If you don't want to take the time to "trawl" through a thread then don't complain when you are mistaken or have taken the wrong end of the stick.

    Nobody has condoned, glorified, encouraged or otherwise supported what this guard and his coterie have done, despite the allusions of many on here.

    We have people demanding that the guard be sued or jailed and when some, myself included, say " hold on" we .... or at least i am/are accused of thinking it's just fine to film and distribute footage of someone prone.

    But as has been asked before... so bloody what? What difference does it make? That's what you were asked. Why is it important?

    Saying it's important because other people didn't know it isn't an answer. Why does it make a difference? I'm assuming you're claiming it helps his defence in some way, but how?


  • #246
    Outlaw Pete
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    please helpThank YOU wrote: »
    How would I see this Mary Lou Video?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiLTBrihSKo


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  • #247
    koumi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 646 ✭✭✭koumi


    M Lou McDonald wrote:
    a deplorable culture of humiliation and disregard for human beings
    I could think of a few more words. RIP Dara


  • #248
    infogiver
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,505 ✭✭✭infogiver


    biscuithead wrote: »
    You didn't.

    You wrote: "It might make you think that your [sic] not safe anywhere."

    The YOU is in regard to myself.
    You've been here for hours defending and excusing a public servant who is paid from the public purse to protect members of the public and who recorded footage of a naked mentally ill woman with the express intention of titillating and entertaining his pals.
    I take it you don't mind if similar happened to your mother or sister if they were in an accident or victims of a crime?


  • #249
    pilly
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,005 ✭✭✭pilly


    Little CuChulainn wrote:
    Just to be clear here. Are you saying she killed herself because of the video and you would do the same in her place?


    Just to be clear here, are you trying to make some point off the back of me exposing a weakness?

    If you are, pretty patethic.


  • #250
    biscuithead
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 157 ✭✭biscuithead


    Cornelius Crow wrote: »
    There might have been a misunderstanding early in the thread but it has been clarified numerous times since. I am not going to comb the thread for examples but the main theme of people's upset as I see it is that the guard circulated the video.

    Why are you so intent on detracting from the issue at hand?

    I am not intent on detracting from the issue at hand nor am I being disingenuous. These are YOUR words and YOUR accusations.


  • #251
    biscuithead
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 157 ✭✭biscuithead


    infogiver wrote: »
    The YOU is in regard to myself.
    You've been here for hours defending and excusing a public servant who is paid from the public purse to protect members of the public and who recorded footage of a naked mentally ill woman with the express intention of titillating and entertaining his pals.
    I take it you don't mind if similar happened to your mother or sister if they were in an accident or victims of a crime?

    I have never once defended or excused anything and I would recommend that you get your facts straight. I would also strongly recommend that you leave my family out of this. You can "take it" however you see fit. But If you think that I wouldn't mind if any harm befell my mother or sister .... if that's how you "take it", then it's quite apparent with whom I am engaging.


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  • #252
    tomwaterford
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,768 ✭✭✭✭tomwaterford


    biscuithead wrote: »
    I have never once defended or excused anything and I would recommend that you get your facts straight. I would also strongly recommend that you leave my family out of this. You can "take it" however you see fit. But If you think that I wouldn't mind if any harm befell my mother or sister .... if that's how you "take it", then it's quite apparent with whom I am engaging.

    I don't think anyone was suggesting they were going to do something to your family....have a bit of chill kid :)


  • #253
    biscuithead
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 157 ✭✭biscuithead


    tomwaterford wrote: »
    Who said this??

    For all we know he couldve been there and recorded it when he got back to the station?


    Either way,amazing this has to be spelled out....in no circumstamces was what happened here ok

    You know, earlier on in this thread you railed against me for suggesting that you exaggerate and embellish. You demanded to know when and where you might have engaged in hyporbole.

    And since then you come out with statements such as "for all we know he couldve [sic] been there and recorded it when he got back to the station"

    I don't think you and I have much more to discuss about this or anything for that matter.


  • #254
    tomwaterford
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,768 ✭✭✭✭tomwaterford


    biscuithead wrote: »

    And since then you come out with statements such as "for all we know he couldve [sic] been there and recorded it when he got back to the station"

    I don't think you and I have much more to discuss about this or anything for that matter.
    So where do you think he/she recorded it,mcdonalds?? :confused:




    (Nice you ignored where it's said in no circumstances is it OK what happened....)


  • #255
    oneilla
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,171 ✭✭✭oneilla


    pilly wrote: »
    God, I'm just really letting this sink in and as someone who has suffered mental health difficulties if I thought for one minute that a horrible moment in my life was out there on the internet for all to see and would always be there I think I'd take the same course of action.

    What must she have gone through to think how many thousand of people were viewing that?

    I sincerely hope that this so called Garda never sleeps soundly again.

    If you're having a heart attack, an ambulance is called and you get appropriate treatment based on many years of practice.

    If you're suspected of having a mental health issue you are manhandled and bundled into a Garda car to await assessment. And obviously some Guards don't care a damn about sharing information for the lulz.

    I hope that all the Guards involved here from the arrest to the video sharing don't ever sleep soundly again. If they don't have a guilty conscience then well...


  • #256
    tomwaterford
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,768 ✭✭✭✭tomwaterford


    oneilla wrote: »
    If you're having a heart attack, an ambulance is called and you get appropriate treatment based on many years of practice.

    If you're suspected of having a mental health issue you are manhandled and bundled into a Garda car to await assessment. And obviously some Guards don't care a damn about sharing information for the lulz.

    I hope that all the Guards involved here from the arrest to the video sharing don't ever sleep soundly again. If they don't have a guilty conscience then well...

    To be fair....noone is argueing againest the garda intervention here....was clearly a troubled women




    Only the gaurds uploading it to the Internet for the lolz is a worrying development.


  • #257
    oneilla
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,171 ✭✭✭oneilla


    tomwaterford wrote: »
    To be fair....noone is argueing againest the garda intervention here....was clearly a troubled women




    Only the gaurds uploading it to the Internet for the lolz is a worrying development.


    Yes I've noticed that people are focused on the sharing of the video

    The manhandling of a naked woman who was harming noone including herself bothers me - on the video she approached noone else, harmed noone, she was wearing shoes, stopped at traffic lights, crossed safely. Then a male Guard stronger than Dara aggressively arrested her. That's an issue that ought to be addressed.


  • #258
    Outlaw Pete
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    Did they try and talk to her first?

    What an odd world where we feel it necessary to roughly arrest someone because they have no clothes on. Christ, some were not much more to awards shows these days and they get lauded for it.

    To anyone that seen the clip: when the video was posted on FB, was Dara identified as the person? Was she discussed by name? If so, what was the general kind of reaction to it?


  • #259
    mrsdewinter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,192 ✭✭✭mrsdewinter


    It's a number of weeks since I saw the clip but I didn't think the young woman was treated roughly by the guards who arrived on the scene.


  • #260
    JupiterKid
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 13,585 Mod ✭✭✭✭JupiterKid


    Under recent changes to mental health legislation the provision of an ambulance with medical personnel taking a distressed person away has been replaced by the Gardai arresting the person. An incredibly retrograde step and this has affected someone very close to me.

    There should be an outrage over this.

    RIP to the unfortunate woman.


  • #261
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    If a person was naked in a public place I would expect the Gardai to remove them as soon as possible and not wait for an ambulance. They can't know whether the person is drunk, on drugs or has a medical condition, but they can't take the risk of an incident happening. We may say we can think of incidents where distressed people were treated badly as a result, but on the other hand we can think of incidents where distressed people have acted in a way that causes people to say later, pity the Gardai weren't around to remove them.

    But taking a video of it and sharing it on social media. That's just wrong. Even if a passer by did it I would wonder why they felt the need, but for a Garda, it should mean disciplinary action.


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  • #262
    SnakePlissken
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,489 ✭✭✭SnakePlissken


    biscuithead wrote: »
    And since then you come out with statements such as "for all we know he couldve [sic] been there and recorded it when he got back to the station"
    .
    biscuithead wrote: »
    You wrote: "It might make you think that your [sic] not safe anywhere."

    Why must you persist in including these obnoxious editor's notes to the quotes you're trying to rebuke? Do you believe one easily made spelling error negates the point the poster is putting forward? If so...
    biscuithead wrote: »
    You demanded to know when and where you might have engaged in hyporbole.

    It's not hyporbole [sic] it's hyperbole.


  • #263
    Richard Hillman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    JupiterKid wrote: »
    Under recent changes to mental health legislation the provision of an ambulance with medical personnel taking a distressed person away has been replaced by the Gardai arresting the person. An incredibly retrograde step and this has affected someone very close to me.

    There should be an outrage over this.

    .


    If somebody is not of their mind they are a danger to themselves and more importantly innocent bystanders. They need to be immobilised, tied down and then ask questions later.

    Waiting for the white coats to arrive to humour a crazy person that could be carrying a weapon isn't going to help anybody. And medical staff are not equipped or have the mandate to deal with violent mental cases.


  • #264
    pilly
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,005 ✭✭✭pilly


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    If somebody is not of their mind they are a danger to themselves and more importantly innocent bystanders. They need to be immobilised, tied down and then ask questions later.

    Waiting for the white coats to arrive to humour a crazy person that could be carrying a weapon isn't going to help anybody. And medical staff are not equipped or have the mandate to deal with violent mental cases.

    Calling anyone a "mental case" is a disgusting term to use.


  • #265
    IsaacWunder
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 403 ✭✭IsaacWunder


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    If somebody is not of their mind they are a danger to themselves and more importantly innocent bystanders. They need to be immobilised, tied down and then ask questions later.

    Waiting for the white coats to arrive to humour a crazy person that could be carrying a weapon isn't going to help anybody. And medical staff are not equipped or have the mandate to deal with violent mental cases.

    This is the point I raised earlier in the thread. There needs to be a collaborative approach been the garda and the HSE. To the man with a hammer every problem looks like a nail.


  • #266
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    IsaacWunder wrote: »
    This is the point I raised earlier in the thread. There needs to be a collaborative approach been the garda and the HSE.

    I don't think agree.

    I think if the Gardaí perceive a problem at any stage of the day or night, they should be able to take immediate steps to address the problem and not wait until the HSE turns up. They can't drum their fingers until someone from the HSE pulls the file or forms some analysis from observation. Plus, it would be bizarre, the medical expert saying "right, he's a drunk messer on a stag, haul him off, she's violent, haul her off...but that one over there may be distressed, let her be or go easy on her".


  • #267
    Outlaw Pete
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    If somebody is not of their mind they are a danger to themselves and more importantly innocent bystanders. They need to be immobilised, tied down and then ask questions later.

    Even if that is just manifesting itself as the person not wearing any clothes??

    Sure nudists beaches are full of such "mental cases" so - should we send in the riot squad?
    Waiting for the white coats to arrive to humour a crazy person that could be carrying a weapon...

    And where pray tell could Dara have been concealing said weapon??

    Clearly each case should be handled differently and the risks assessed of just how dangerous a person might be to the public before deciding how to proceed.


  • #268
    Richard Hillman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    Outlaw Pete wrote: »
    Even if that is just manifesting itself as the person not wearing any clothes??

    Sure nudists beaches are full of such "mental cases" so - should we send in the riot squad?



    And where pray tell could Dara have been concealing said weapon??

    Clearly each case should be handled differently and the risks assessed of just how dangerous a person might be to the public before deciding how to proceed.


    She could have used a foreign object as a weapon. A glass bottle for example.




    PS: when I say mental cases, I mean the incident not the people.


  • #269
    Outlaw Pete
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    She could have used a foreign object as a weapon. A glass bottle for example.

    She could have shot them all with an AK47 too... but the point is she had neither at her disposal.

    People who's only crime is that they are not wearing any clothes should be spoken with first, especially when it's quite clear they are not in any immediate danger to others.


  • #270
    boombang
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,107 ✭✭✭boombang


    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    Interesting the story doesn't feature at all on RTE.

    It was mentioned on Radio 1's Morning Ireland "it says in the papers" section today.

    However, I checked the news website there and it doesn't feature. I find this worrying. This seems a newsworthy issue and other outlets have covered it. I see a strong public interest in covering what seems pretty inappropriate.


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  • #271
    ChikiChiki
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,949 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    The Garda really badly need an overhaul. Serious amount of dregs in the force including the sap who shared the video.

    From the top down it is corrupted.


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