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Garda investigated after CCTV showing arrest of naked, distressed woman goes viral.

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  • #92
    RustyNut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭RustyNut


    Winterlong wrote: »
    It must be a breach of some sort of ethics that the Gardai are expected to uphold.
    Terrible thing to do, upload a video like that. To what purpose - for a 'laugh'?

    This whole thing must be torture for her family and friends.

    It would appear that any ethics a recruit might have when they turn up for training in Templemore are well knocked out them by the time they leave. Loyalty to the organisation comes before honesty, ethics or anything else.


  • #93
    biscuithead
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 157 ✭✭biscuithead


    Neyite wrote: »
    He's a Garda. He should be treating the wasted party girl, or the person having a mental health break with the same dignity as he treats me when he's checking my tax disc. It's about professionalism - it was a work situation. If you came into my workplace and seemed unwell or acting erratically it reflects very badly on my employer that I would record you to share it with my buddies instead of treating you with dignity and respect.

    A similar situation might be a doctor-patient situation. If a patient is running down the corridor naked is it ok for a healthcare professional to record them in their distress and share it? We would be baying for their P45.

    But the Garda wasn't at the scene. He recorded the footage from a CCTV feed at a remote location. He could have been on the other side of the country for all we know.


  • #94
    biscuithead
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 157 ✭✭biscuithead


    IvyTheTerrible wrote: »
    I don't see how that makes what he did less serious.

    When you have some posters screaming that he should have been helping the girl then it's important to point out that he wasn't actually present while she was wandering the streets.


  • #95
    tomwaterford
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,768 ✭✭✭✭tomwaterford


    neonsofa wrote: »
    They may be the same company but sending something to a contact, or a group, through whatsapp is not the same as uploading it to Facebook. Neither are right, not saying either is better, but there is a difference.

    It's still uploading it to the Internet

    Scumbag behaviour from a scumbag tbh....I hope her family cleans him out

    If/when he/she gets away with his....What's to stop other gaurds from doing the same??they literally are a law onto themselves at this stage


  • #96
    infogiver
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,505 ✭✭✭infogiver


    biscuithead wrote: »
    When you have some posters screaming that he should have been helping the girl then it's important to point out that he wasn't actually present while she was wandering the streets.

    Do you think recording the CCTV for the entertainment of his pals was ok?


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  • #97
    Biggest lickspittle on boardz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 558 ✭✭✭Biggest lickspittle on boardz


    paleoperson wrote: »
    If he's the one who originally shared it then he has full responsibility for everything that then happens to it. If he had trust in the people of the group that it would never get out, well then who's responsible if it does? It's on him.



    oh that's alright then, shur if twas all done for a laff then where's the harm? I thought there was something malicious to it, but it was all just for a laugh. god forbid male policemen shouldn't be able to get a laugh out of the extreme mental turmoil of a woman before she committed suicide. </sarcasm>

    He should be thrown in jail. Abusing his post like that, what a plonker.

    Some police, not all, have serious, serious psychological and power issues. And you can only imagine how bad it goes when that type of control issues are mixed with hardened and tough criminals.

    Dude, get a grip. It was a poor decision yes, but hardly worthy of a jail sentence. C'mon, let's not go all Joe Duffy on this.


  • #98
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    silverharp wrote: »
    I wouldn't be looking for the guard's head on a platter , I don't know any guards personally but I know a couple of Firefighters and they have a certain gallows humour about them, if you didn't you would go mad. Im sure if he has crossed a disciplinary line it will be dealt with.

    Gallows humour I get. I work in a similar environment. You make jokes as a way of coping. Nothing wrong with it. This isn't gallows humour, it's sharing a video of a vulnerable woman in the midst of a mental breakdown. What's funny or entertaining about that?


  • #99
    infogiver
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,505 ✭✭✭infogiver


    Biggest lickspittle on boardz wrote: »
    Dude, get a grip. It was a poor decision yes, but hardly worthy of a jail sentence. C'mon, let's not go all Joe Duffy on this.

    Not a poor desicion at all. Inexcusable.
    Not worthy of a jail sentence of course thats ridiculous but should be sacked as soon as even the filming on the mobile phone is confirmed never mind the Whatsapp bit.
    And potential future employers deserve to know what the make up of this guys character is like, so I'd like him named and shamed.


  • #100
    spurious
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,374 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    eviltwin wrote: »
    Gallows humour I get. I work in a similar environment. You make jokes as a way of coping. Nothing wrong with it. This isn't gallows humour, it's sharing a video of a vulnerable woman in the midst of a mental breakdown. What's funny or entertaining about that?

    About as much entertainment as there would be if a nurse videoed a family or child in distress.

    None.

    I can't believe an adult, let alone a person supposedly tasked with helping and protecting the general public thought this would be an acceptable thing to do.


  • #101
    silverharp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    eviltwin wrote: »
    Gallows humour I get. I work in a similar environment. You make jokes as a way of coping. Nothing wrong with it. This isn't gallows humour, it's sharing a video of a vulnerable woman in the midst of a mental breakdown. What's funny or entertaining about that?

    did he know that? if it was someone who was just drunk or high it would just be grouped under crazy sh1t you see in cities of which there are a near infinite amount on youtube etc.

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  • #102
    Conor Bourke
    Hosted Moderators Posts: 17,426 ✭✭✭✭Conor Bourke


    silverharp wrote: »
    did he know that? if it was someone who was just drunk or high it would just be grouped under crazy sh1t you see in cities of which there are a near infinite amount on youtube etc.

    It doesn't matter whether she was drunk, high, coming from a sex party (what the actual fcuk that logic is about is another question but I digress) having a mental breakdown or out for their daily constitutional. It doesn't matter why, the guard simply should not, under any circumstances have thought it was okay to video the footage and circulate it amongst friends for a laugh.

    The fact that this needs to be spelled out for people is astounding.


  • #103
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    silverharp wrote: »
    did he know that? if it was someone who was just drunk or high it would just be grouped under crazy sh1t you see in cities of which there are a near infinite amount on youtube etc.

    She was naked and distressed. Maybe her distress wasn't obvious on the footage but she was naked. Is that alone not enough of an invasion of privacy? And what would it matter if she was just drunk or high, does that make it okay to laugh at people and make entertainment out of them.


  • #104
    neonsofa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,476 ✭✭✭neonsofa


    tomwaterford wrote: »
    It's still uploading it to the Internet

    Scumbag behaviour from a scumbag tbh....I hope her family cleans him out

    If/when he/she gets away with his....What's to stop other gaurds from doing the same??they literally are a law onto themselves at this stage

    Same could be said about sending an email and uploading to YouTube. They are different, that's the only point I am making. They are two different forms of social media. Again, not saying either is worse or one ok.


  • #105
    tomwaterford
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,768 ✭✭✭✭tomwaterford


    neonsofa wrote: »
    Same could be said about sending an email and uploading to YouTube. They are different, that's the only point I am making. They are two different forms of social media. Again, not saying either is worse or one ok.

    It would still be pretty sh1t of a gaurd to upload this onto youtube/email aswell??


    The internet is the internet....no matter what way you dress it up,the gaurds here uploaded this onto to the Internet to show his friends


    The sad part is...I'm not one bit surprised this was done and fully expect them to get off Scott free to do the same again :(


  • #106
    silverharp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    eviltwin wrote: »
    She was naked and distressed. Maybe her distress wasn't obvious on the footage but she was naked. Is that alone not enough of an invasion of privacy? And what would it matter if she was just drunk or high, does that make it okay to laugh at people and make entertainment out of them.

    if someone on the street had camera phoned it and uploaded it, nothing illegal would have occurred and I don't think one would expect a right of privacy because it was so public. Contrast it with "PWC girl" a few years back, to me I don't know if it was illegal or not, probably not but it was a sh1tty thing to upload. I think we can all agree there is some line and in the Guard's case he has probably broken some misuse internal rules of equipment misuse, so he will probably be disciplined in some way.

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • #107
    Neyite
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,948 ✭✭✭✭Neyite


    biscuithead wrote: »
    But the Garda wasn't at the scene. He recorded the footage from a CCTV feed at a remote location. He could have been on the other side of the country for all we know.

    I think that is even worse tbh. I've a dark sense of humour, but I see nothing honourable about mocking the vulnerable in our society.

    He was a trained Garda. He swore to uphold the law and serve and protect. Firstly, he should have known that sharing a recording of a naked woman without her consent is a criminal offence.

    He knew he was potentially breaking the law by uploading and sharing it?

    He should have had enough experience and training to assess the situation and realise that there could be any kind of back story - fleeing from a rape, mental health breakdown, reaction to drugs or whatever. Powers of deduction and all that.

    He's a disgrace to his profession. How could you have any confidence in him doing what a Garda should do after this.


  • #108
    biscuithead
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 157 ✭✭biscuithead


    infogiver wrote: »
    An on duty public servant dispatched to help a citizen in danger and distress decides that it's appropriate to film that citizen for the purposes of sharing the distress for the comedic entertainment of his friends at a later date.
    You think that's appropriate.

    Have you even read the article and posts?
    HE WASN'T THERE.


  • #109
    neonsofa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,476 ✭✭✭neonsofa


    tomwaterford wrote: »
    It would still be pretty sh1t of a gaurd to upload this onto youtube/email aswell??


    The internet is the internet....no matter what way you dress it up,the gaurds here uploaded this onto to the Internet to show his friends


    The sad part is...I'm not one bit surprised this was done and fully expect them to get off Scott free to do the same again :(

    Did I say it wouldn't be? I said in both my posts that I am not saying any form is worse or any are OK. Just pointing out the fact that they are different forms of social media because you said to a poster that they were the same thing, they aren't. Maybe you should read my posts again because you seem to think I am justifying something, when I have explicitly stated in every post, that i am not.


  • #110
    biscuithead
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 157 ✭✭biscuithead


    neonsofa wrote: »
    Ah yeah sure, they were probably thinking that- girl not in her right mind cause she's on whatever substance and isn't aware of what she's doing, gonna be mortified when her parents show up so im gonna compound that humiliation by sending round a video of her. That's great sure, lovely guy. She could have been coming from a sex party like. Who could blame him.
    Weird logic.

    Also if she was detained under mental health act then they obviously deemed her as vulnerable and not of sound mind, and not just some woman high on a substance coming home from...a sex party (again wtf?!)

    I like how you focus on the first part of my post and conveniently avoid the second part which portrays a not out-of-the-question similarity.


  • #111
    Caithfidhme
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9 ✭Caithfidhme


    Cornelius Crow wrote: »
    It doesn't matter whether she was drunk, high, coming from a sex party (what the actual fcuk that logic is about is another question but I digress) having a mental breakdown or out for their daily constitutional. It doesn't matter why, the guard simply should not, under any circumstances have thought it was okay to video the footage and circulate it amongst friends for a laugh.

    The fact that this needs to be spelled out for people is astounding.

    I think this sums it up admirably.

    If it was a lay person who had done the same thing, and before I am berated with posts about how a lay person wouldn't have had access to it, yes, in circumstances they would depending on their job, it still would have been inexcusable to share a post about a young woman who clearly needed some appropriate, professional help & in a cry to do so, was treated this way.

    The fact that is a Garda makes it a complete abuse of power. By sharing it with a Whatsapp group of people, shows his complete disregard for treating anything which he may be privy to during conducting his duties with the privacy and respect which Im sure a fair portion of it warrants. And in reality, he would have done it again, if he hadn't have been caught out by his mate posting it on a public forum. Whether it was whatsapp or not, he shouldn't have done it. The viral age we live in & the ease with which things like this travel & the fact that he didn't care about confidentiality & dignity whatsoever make it deplorable.


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  • #112
    biscuithead
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 157 ✭✭biscuithead


    IvyTheTerrible wrote: »
    That's not exactly what happened.
    A guard was reviewing CCTV footage of her and he recorded that on his phone. He wasn't one of the guards dispatched to help her.

    Thank you.

    But don't let the facts prevent people from underpinning their knee-jerk outrage by embellishing the story.


  • #113
    neonsofa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,476 ✭✭✭neonsofa


    biscuithead wrote: »
    I like how you focus on the first part of my post and conveniently avoid the second part which portrays a not out-of-the-question similarity.

    I'm sorry, what would you like me to say about a hypothetical situation whereby a woman is riding a horse through a town naked? Was she coming from a sex party too? I really don't see what point you're making?


  • #114
    take everything
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,847 ✭✭✭take everything


    Just read the OP but what kind of emotional moron shares a video of a naked person against their consent.

    This is why I hate the whole sharing culture. Everyone is meant to be so clued in socially and emotionally and you just end up with scumbags doing this.

    Same with that recent case of that father killing his child on facebook. Now the father is probably mentally Ill but the fact that it was shared hundreds of thousands of times for 24 hrs before it was eventually taken down is the bit that shocked me.

    Or didn't really shock me as this is what a lot of the sharing culture is nowadays. Sate your curiosity. Score social network points (whether by shocking your friends, duckfacing or virtue signalling- all sides of the same ****ty coin really (to misuse a metaphor). It's all just social points).

    Anyway, RIP to this girl.


  • #115
    infogiver
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,505 ✭✭✭infogiver


    biscuithead wrote: »
    Have you even read the article and posts?
    HE WASN'T THERE.

    You are seriously suggesting it was ok for a public servant to film CCTV of a citizen in a distressed state to share with his friends for the purpose of entertainment?


  • #116
    biscuithead
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 157 ✭✭biscuithead


    infogiver wrote: »
    He was on duty.
    I work in a public service office with CCTV too.
    The very idea that I would think that I could record footage of a distressed customer for the entertainment of my friends later, or that I would even think it was entertaining is just astonishing to me.
    And I didn't swear to serve and protect.
    That Garda did.
    Who was he serving and protecting when he made the film?

    You say he was dispatched to help her when he wasn't and now that equates to "Ugh, well, uh, HE WAS ON DUTY!!"


  • #117
    biscuithead
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 157 ✭✭biscuithead


    tomwaterford wrote: »
    It's still uploading it to the Internet

    Scumbag behaviour from a scumbag tbh....I hope her family cleans him out

    If/when he/she gets away with his....What's to stop other gaurds from doing the same??they literally are a law onto themselves at this stage

    Would you ever listen to yourself!

    Cleans him out? How exactly?


  • #118
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    silverharp wrote: »
    if someone on the street had camera phoned it and uploaded it, nothing illegal would have occurred and I don't think one would expect a right of privacy because it was so public. Contrast it with "PWC girl" a few years back, to me I don't know if it was illegal or not, probably not but it was a sh1tty thing to upload. I think we can all agree there is some line and in the Guard's case he has probably broken some misuse internal rules of equipment misuse, so he will probably be disciplined in some way.

    I'm not talking about the legalities of it, more the moral side of it. Maybe its an age thing but I don't understand the need for people to film everything and upload it to social media. I can't understand the entertainment in laughing at people who are drunk, high, mentally ill. Those clips aren't funny, they are depressing and tragic. I can't understand a garda of all people, someone you think would have a bit of sense and empathy, thinking its okay to share a clip of a naked women without consent. It doesn't matter that she was in public, its a huge invasion of her privacy.


  • #119
    biscuithead
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 157 ✭✭biscuithead


    infogiver wrote: »
    Do you think recording the CCTV for the entertainment of his pals was ok?


    Stop trying to paint me into a corner and/or put words in my mouth to justify your own over the top hysteria. You've chosen to take an extreme view of the whole episode. I've decided to be a bit more objective and open-minded about it.


  • #120
    tomwaterford
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,768 ✭✭✭✭tomwaterford


    biscuithead wrote: »
    Would you ever listen to yourself!

    Cleans him out? How exactly?

    Sues him for all that he's worth??



    If your happy to stand over and defend this though pedanticness


    That's your prerogative,

    However il continue to see gaurds recording this while on duty (assuming he was on duty watching the cctv) and then uploading it to the Internet to show his friends.....

    Scumbag behaviour by a scumbag.....who deosnt deserve 1 more cent in pay off the state and should be sacked.....

    What else are gaurds sharing online to friends....pics of the PULSE system,perhaps??....too long they've been a law onto themselves....how bad deos it have to get before someone says stop?


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  • #121
    tomwaterford
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,768 ✭✭✭✭tomwaterford


    biscuithead wrote: »
    Stop trying to paint me into a corner and/or put words in my mouth to justify your own over the top hysteria. You've chosen to take an extreme view of the whole episode. I've decided to be a bit more objective and open-minded about it.

    Have you read the OP??


    He's accused of recording the cctv footage and uploading it to a whatsapp group?



    No one's trting to be putting words anywhere,these are the facts??


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