Better Call Saul Spoilers

gormdubhgorm · 09-05-2017 05:38PM

Keplar240B wrote: »

A stand alone battery would give off hardly any electromagnetic field, its switched off no current following?

That was my one grip with this episode.

I thought Huell would have put a whole phone inside Chucks pocket and then they would have rang the phone in the court.

I suppose that would not have been too plausible because phones were fairly heavy back then.

Edit:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3032062/It-s-official-Scientific-tests-confirm-batteries-bounce-low-charge-not-empty.html

Murrisk · 09-05-2017 05:49PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

You are correct in saying that BCS is slower then BB. I think the idea in BCS is to focus on the human element. Day to day normal interactions, the mundane stuff mixed with quirkiness. The characters have good depth I think there is no completely good or bad character in BCS.

But the thing is, shows like BB and The Sopranos did just that too. And better than BCS as, IMO, the characters were just more multi-layered and fascinating. In fact, that is what set the Sopranos apart from other mob fare. Focussing on the minutiae is nothing new. And it's seems to be all BCS really has going for it.

I've found the perfect example to illustrate the reactions I have mostly found towards people who don't the show. Check the comments underneath this entertainment.ie article where the writer criticises the show (and IMO makes some good points). Just check out the level of vitriol directed towards the writer and anyone who doesn't like the show. If you don't like the show and consider it too ponderous, you're an idiot with ADD. I have found that that is general attitude across messageboards on the subject. I have never experienced this before, that a show is regarded as above criticism. Even bona fide masterpieces such as Sopranos didn't enjoy such protection.

http://entertainment.ie/tv/news/Opinion-Three-seasons-in-Better-Call-Saul-just-isnt-good-man/392933.htm

gormdubhgorm · 09-05-2017 06:06PM

Murrisk wrote: »

But the thing is, shows like BB and The Sopranos did just that too. And better than BCS as, IMO, the characters were just more multi-layered and fascinating. In fact, that is what set the Sopranos apart from other mob fare. Focussing on the minutiae is nothing new. And it's seems to be all BCS really has going for it.

I've found the perfect example to illustrate the reactions I have mostly found towards people who don't the show. Check the comments underneath this entertainment.ie article where the writer criticises the show (and IMO makes some good points). Just check out the level of vitriol directed towards the writer and anyone who doesn't like the show. If you don't like the show and consider it too ponderous, you're an idiot with ADD. I have found that that is general attitude across messageboards on the subject. I have never experienced this before, that a show is regarded as above criticism. Even bona fide masterpieces such as Sopranos didn't enjoy such protection.

http://entertainment.ie/tv/news/Opinion-Three-seasons-in-Better-Call-Saul-just-isnt-good-man/392933.htm

Yeah the comments at the end are funny alright.

I suppose the difference is the Sopranos was in it's early years the internet was not as developed and there was limited broadband use.

Now everyone can quickly have thier opinion heard.

I am sure Game of Thrones people have the same reaction if some people said they did not like the show.

Some people think by a person saying they do not like a show another person likes that it is a personal insult.
Or worse that the person is beneath them!

I know it happens a bit when people discuss musical tastes, but when it comes to TV programmes it seems to be on a completely different level.
Maybe I am wrong about that.
But it seems that people who like a TV show seem to take even more personal ownership of it then even a band/musician/comedian.

Murrisk · 09-05-2017 06:33PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Some people think by a person saying they do not like a show another person likes that it is a personal insult.
Or worse that the person is beneath them!

I know it happens a bit when people discuss musical tastes, but when it comes to TV programmes it seems to be on a completely different level.
Maybe I am wrong about that.
But it seems that people who like a TV show seem to take even more personal ownership of it then even a band/musician/comedian.

It's mad, isn't it?

I guess people are passionate!

astrofool · 09-05-2017 07:08PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

That was my one grip with this episode.

I thought Huell would have put a whole phone inside Chucks pocket and then they would have rang the phone in the court.

I suppose that would not have been too plausible because phones were fairly heavy back then.

Edit:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3032062/It-s-official-Scientific-tests-confirm-batteries-bounce-low-charge-not-empty.html

It doesn't matter, it's a made up condition and Chuck's assertion was that all these things (including batteries) would affect him, it's why Jimmy asked about the watch battery as well, the scene in the hospital where the doctor turns the equipment on without Chuck noticing also confirms this, as does the fact that the walls will all be carrying current to other sockets in the building, it doesn't matter if the battery was being drained or at rest, in Chuck's head, it's all the same.

thegreengoblin · 09-05-2017 07:32PM

I'm relieved more than satisfied that Chuck finally got his comeuppance. I expected maybe a little bit more invention in the way it happened but that's just a tribute to how good the show has been to date. I suppose it was fitting that it would all happen in a courtroom. Time to put Chuck away now, he has served his purpose.

I'm a big fan of Howard...he is such a prick but a very enjoyable one. Insisting to the court that HHM didn't want to employ Jimmy as it would have looked like nepotism. Then Jimmy asking who was the other Hamilton in HHM. 'My father,' says Howard, without missing a beat. Brilliant.

And I loved that moment where he was coming to the end of his cross-examination but didn't really get a chance to lay into Jimmy. So he comes out with a classic line about how he'd be happy to talk about Jimmy's time at Davis & Main but is told no thanks. :pac:

chops018 · 09-05-2017 07:39PM

Brilliant episode.

To be honest, I don't think the pace of the show is slow at all. I love great dialogue, a story that seems to weave together, great acting, some great shots/cinematography. I listen intently to nearly every line. I can barely look away from the screen while watching each episode each week.

Funnily enough I found BB so slow moving for the first 2 and a half seasons. I remember years ago I watched the first season of BB after reading about it online and thought it was tripe. Then around the start of season 4 it just seemed to explode online with everyone and every media website going on about it, so I gave it another go and ended up liking it. I think the fact that I was able to just watch 3-4 episodes at a time really helped though. By then I had knew each character inside out so like BCS I was hanging on their every word.

I also remember on the BB thread for it's final season there was posters moaning that everything was too fast paced, that there was too much action each episode and barely any dialogue or character development. I pointed out on that thread that we had had 5 and a half seasons of character development and that final episodes were about wrapping the whole show up, so of course there would be action etc. each week. We had the whole show developing the characters to get to where we were, but still had people moaning that it had got too fast paced compared to the earlier seasons.

Anyway, a lot of people will have different opinions, and of course they're entitled to that. Sure it would be a terrible world if we all liked the same things.

thegreengoblin · 09-05-2017 07:46PM

chops018 wrote: »

Brilliant episode.

To be honest, I don't think the pace of the show is slow at all. I love great dialogue, a story that seems to weave together, great acting, some great shots/cinematography. I listen intently to nearly every line. I can barely look away from the screen while watching each episode each week.

Funnily enough I found BB so slow moving for the first 2 and a half seasons. I remember years ago I watched the first season of BB after reading about it online and thought it was tripe. Then around the start of season 4 it just seemed to explode online with everyone and every media website going on about it, so I gave it another go and ended up liking it. I think the fact that I was able to just watch 3-4 episodes at a time really helped though. By then I had knew each character inside out so like BCS I was hanging on their every word.

I also remember on the BB thread for it's final season there was posters moaning that everything was too fast paced, that there was too much action each episode and barely any dialogue or character development. I pointed out on that thread that we had had 5 and a half seasons of character development and that final episodes were about wrapping the whole show up, so of course there would be action etc. each week. We had the whole show developing the characters to get to where we were, but still had people moaning that it had got too fast paced compared to the earlier seasons.

Anyway, a lot of people will have different opinions, and of course they're entitled to that. Sure it would be a terrible world if we all liked the same things.

I think the middle of last season was when the pacing issues came to the fore and the show dipped a bit for me. But this season they've definitely ramped it up a bit to the point where I don't see any issue at all. I look forward to it so much every week.

_Kaiser_ · 09-05-2017 07:50PM

thegreengoblin wrote: »

I think the middle of last season was when the pacing issues came to the fore and the show dipped a bit for me. But this season they've definitely ramped it up a bit to the point where I don't see any issue at all. I look forward to it so much every week.

Agreed. They seem to have addressed the pacing issues and some of the other problems (Kim's unlikeability and the seemingly going nowhere Chuck and Jimmy story) very nicely so far.. it's looking like the latter is approaching endgame now.

Also this episode has ZERO Mike (who carried the show last season IMO), Hector or Gus and didn't suffer at all as the "A story" was totally compelling.

Credit where it's due... they seem to be listening anyway.

09-05-2017 08:04PM

Loved that episode. Chuck went from being a tower of a man in the eyes of the court, to 'just another nutjob' in the space of 2 minutes and it was done so well.

That final, silent shot of the episode which was framed to make Chuck look so physically small in the courtroom was just perfect.

Murrisk · 09-05-2017 08:46PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Agreed. They seem to have addressed the pacing issues and some of the other problems (Kim's unlikeability and the seemingly going nowhere Chuck and Jimmy story) very nicely so far.. it's looking like the latter is approaching endgame now.

Also this episode has ZERO Mike (who carried the show last season IMO), Hector or Gus and didn't suffer at all as the "A story" was totally compelling.

Credit where it's due... they seem to be listening anyway.

All I can say is Vince Gilligan and David Chase are very different people.

I can imagine Chase spitting at the computer screen reading fanboy complaints about the Sopranos and going out of his way to piss them off further. Not before knocking over his computer and firing a rake of staff writers first.

:P Aaron Sorkin too actually. But Gilligan seems more in tune with technology and fandom.

pickarooney · 09-05-2017 08:59PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

That was my one grip with this episode.

I thought Huell would have put a whole phone inside Chucks pocket and then they would have rang the phone in the court.

I suppose that would not have been too plausible because phones were fairly heavy back then.

Edit:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3032062/It-s-official-Scientific-tests-confirm-batteries-bounce-low-charge-not-empty.html

Chuck's reaction when he saw the battery, having had it on him for an hour with no effect, sold it.

What's this about Kim's unlikability? She's adorable!

Penn · 09-05-2017 09:00PM

Great episode and a great performance from Michael McKean. Didn't even miss Mike and Gus at all.

henryporter · 09-05-2017 09:08PM

robwen wrote: »

Anyone confirm the length of this week's episode? Any stream I've started shows up just over 34 mins seems quite a bit shorter than usual, don't want to start watching & find a good chunk missing towards end

It's much better in HD on Netflix anyways :pac:

Best episode so far IMO - from the opening scene with the up close lawnmower to the closing scene with Chuck and the sizzling Exit sign, it was packed with quality script. Greatest TV on air at the moment. Next Tuesday's a long ways away so better get back to binge re-watch of BB in the meantime

bajer101 · 09-05-2017 09:13PM

I've been re-watching it from the start over the last week. Howard is alright.

Shane St. · 09-05-2017 09:26PM

Great show. Vince Gilligan knows what he is doing

gormdubhgorm · 09-05-2017 09:57PM

What was the reason that Jimmy got Rebecca to the hearing?
Was it just to show Chuck up and further embarrass him?

take everything · 09-05-2017 10:11PM

Some great little one liners in this episode.
Love the big black guy's (his name escapes me) response to Jimmy with the exact time he put the battery in Chuck's pocket.

Taking great pride in his type of professionalism.
In contrast to Chuck's professionalism and how it failed to serve after he took the stand.

take everything · 09-05-2017 10:15PM

Just reading the Reddit thread there and someone was wondering if Bill Burr was gonna make an appearance.

That would be pretty great.

De Bhál · 09-05-2017 11:22PM

great episode, very enjoyable

Sexual Chocolate · 09-05-2017 11:26PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

What was the reason that Jimmy got Rebecca to the hearing?
Was it just to show Chuck up and further embarrass him?

I dont think she was aware up until that point about Chucks "condition" and as Jimmy wanted Chuck to tell her all those years back maybe he thought now was the best time.

dadad231 · 10-05-2017 12:16AM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

What was the reason that Jimmy got Rebecca to the hearing?
Was it just to show Chuck up and further embarrass him?

I got the idea it was to further unravel Chuck to losing it in the hearing,
Great seeing Huell again

- the actor has lost a lot of weight.

Hazys · 10-05-2017 12:22AM

Great episode.

I might be missing something but what relevance did Kim saying Bingo in the last episode have to do with this episode and the court case?

Icemancometh · 10-05-2017 12:45AM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

What was the reason that Jimmy got Rebecca to the hearing?
Was it just to show Chuck up and further embarrass him?

Misdirection I think. Chuck would be expecting Jimmy to bring something unusual, and bringing his ex-wife to the hearing is exactly what Chuck would expect Slippin' Jimmy to do. Chuck's reaction when she was brought up and the whole Perry Mason explanation underlined his hubris.

10-05-2017 12:53AM

The cinematography while chuck went into his rant was fantastic. Did it slowly zoom in or did the fov slowly change too? It seems like his head was larger than the rest of him really emphasising an unhinged moment. Then it zooms out again when he realises what he's done.

Atlantic Dawn · 10-05-2017 01:05AM

Great episode, in the court room scene I was 100% convinced that Chuck had a mobile phone planted on him by the big lad working for Jimmy and that he was going to call him during his cross examination, never could have seen the battery being planted.

johnpatrick81 · 10-05-2017 01:10AM

I too wasn't sure what the "bingo" meant at the end of the last episode, red herring?

That was great, but please now, the end of Chuck!!

Also, I called it, yer wan the ex being brought in! That was purely to rattle Chuck.

The battery trick was great, I too would have thought a phone but like others said, too heavy.

Huell! "One hour 43!" Boooom!

johnpatrick81 · 10-05-2017 01:16AM

https://www.reddit.com/r/betterCallSaul/comments/6916yg/theory_on_kims_bingo_in_the_latest_episode/

Many nail it above, Kim merely wanted to confirm there was a copy of the tape to ensure they could go ahead with the plan to make Chuck seem mad.

Alcoheda · 10-05-2017 01:46AM

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Great episode, in the court room scene I was 100% convinced that Chuck had a mobile phone planted on him by the big lad working for Jimmy and that he was going to call him during his cross examination, never could have seen the battery being planted.

He should have argued that the battery represents a potential difference, not a flowing currant, hense no electromagnetic radiation :pac:

I actually thought the final scene was laboured and a bit daft.
Good show overall though.

Armchair Andy · 10-05-2017 10:23AM

Alcoheda wrote:

He should have argued that the battery represents a potential difference, not a flowing currant, hense no electromagnetic radiation

That was my first thought too. No load on the battery, no emf.

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