Sexism you have personally experienced or have heard of? READ POST 1

LostinBlanch · 08-04-2017 01:12PM

maybe

This whole site isn't as bid as it was.

ligerdub · 10-04-2017 06:54PM

Harrump sexism patriarchy

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/olympics/rio-2016/olympics-off-the-field/women-make-history-and-their-husbands-get-the-credit-how-infuriating-is-that-20160808-gqo2l3.html

Oh but this is ok!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2017/04/10/angela-akins-sergio-garcias-fiancee-may-be-the-secret-behind-his-masters-success/

The Hungarian swimmers husband was actually her coach too.....so he took genuinely take at least some of the credit!

silverharp · 10-04-2017 07:04PM

^^

wasnt there an Irish swimmer where her husband deserved a lot of the credit

ligerdub · 11-04-2017 08:25AM

silverharp wrote:

wasnt there an Irish swimmer where her husband deserved a lot of the credit

Ha! Yeah they are happy to let that one through.

Sleepy · 11-04-2017 05:26PM

I love the snide remark in the first article about the husband being observed being "verbally abusive". I bet if you were to ask the lady herself, she wouldn't see it that way. Coaches tend to shout at their charges every now and then!

__Alex__ · 12-04-2017 08:58PM

Sleepy wrote: »

I love the snide remark in the first article about the husband being observed being "verbally abusive". I bet if you were to ask the lady herself, she wouldn't see it that way. Coaches tend to shout at their charges every now and then!

I saw a video of him absolutely losing his shit at her losing some swim meet last year. So I think there is something to the talk of him being a bit of a hothead, moreso than other coaches.

ligerdub · 12-04-2017 09:20PM

If she doesn't like it then she can sack him.

__Alex__ · 12-04-2017 10:14PM

ligerdub wrote: »

If she doesn't like it then she can sack him.

I'll be sure to let her know.

ligerdub · 12-04-2017 10:22PM

__Alex__ wrote: »

I'll be sure to let her know.

She already knows that!!

__Alex__ · 12-04-2017 10:33PM

ligerdub wrote: »

She already knows that!!

Which highlights the pointlessness of your statement.

Her hub's behaviour poolside has raised eyebrows. And this is among elite athletes who are well used to tough training. People can discuss that.

ligerdub · 12-04-2017 11:01PM

__Alex__ wrote: »

Which highlights the pointlessness of your statement.

Her hub's behaviour poolside has raised eyebrows. And this is among elite athletes who are well used to tough training. People can discuss that.

I think of your second sentence and draw attention to your first sentence!

Her hubs behaviour might have raised eyebrows to elite athletes as they watch her and her hubby take the medals home! It's completely irrelevant. If she doesn't like the husbands approach she's free to use somebody else's. She obviously doesn't have an issue with it. If other people do they are just wasting their time. He's a bit shouty, big deal, so was Alex Ferguson.

Bear in mind that isn't the point here. The point here is that people were up in arms over him getting any sort of praise for her success. Obviously she was the talent, but make no mistake about it, he played a part too.

__Alex__ · 12-04-2017 11:15PM

ligerdub wrote: »

I think of your second sentence and draw attention to your first sentence!

Her hubs behaviour might have raised eyebrows to elite athletes as they watch her and her hubby take the medals home! It's completely irrelevant. If she doesn't like the husbands approach she's free to use somebody else's. She obviously doesn't have an issue with it. If other people do they are just wasting their time. He's a bit shouty, big deal, so was Alex Ferguson.

Bear in mind that isn't the point here. The point here is that people were up in arms over him getting any sort of praise for her success. Obviously she was the talent, but make no mistake about it, he played a part too.

Well, your two examples aren't really comparable in light of what we know about him. She is indeed welcome to use another trainer. But I wouldn't just assume she is happy. I've read a lot about athletes down the years because it interests me and it's not unusual for former athletes to criticise their erstwhile trainer.

It's reaching a bit to compare this to the article on Sergio Garcia and his wife. The Sergio article is pretty light in tone. Nobody seriously thinks that anyone but Sergio is responsible for his success. His talent would have been apparent long before he even met his wife.

Calhoun · 13-04-2017 01:10AM

__Alex__ wrote: »

Well, your two examples aren't really comparable in light of what we know about him. She is indeed welcome to use another trainer. But I wouldn't just assume she is happy. I've read a lot about athletes down the years because it interests me and it's not unusual for former athletes to criticise their erstwhile trainer.

It's reaching a bit to compare this to the article on Sergio Garcia and his wife. The Sergio article is pretty light in tone. Nobody seriously thinks that anyone but Sergio is responsible for his success. His talent would have been apparent long before he even met his wife.

I dont think its reaching to compare the two, unless we are being sexist and automatically assume that a woman couldnt possibly have a positive effect on their partners career.

__Alex__ · 13-04-2017 06:54AM

Calhoun wrote: »

I dont think its reaching to compare the two, unless we are being sexist and automatically assume that a woman couldnt possibly have a positive effect on their partners career.

Right so, let compare them and ignore all the differences between the two reportings, the tone of the article etc.

I'm sure she was encouraging towards him, what with being his fiancée and all, but she isn't his coach and her behaviour around him hasn't raised the eyebrows of seasoned professionals. But let's artfully ignore all that, wha'?

ligerdub · 13-04-2017 08:13AM

__Alex__ wrote:

It's reaching a bit to compare this to the article on Sergio Garcia and his wife. The Sergio article is pretty light in tone. Nobody seriously thinks that anyone but Sergio is responsible for his success. His talent would have been apparent long before he even met his wife.

The coverage on sky sports made me wonder if she was going to take the winning putt for him. I've seen several pieces of coverage since (including here in this country) which attributed this win to her.

ligerdub · 13-04-2017 08:17AM

__Alex__ wrote:

Well, your two examples aren't really comparable in light of what we know about him. She is indeed welcome to use another trainer. But I wouldn't just assume she is happy. I've read a lot about athletes down the years because it interests me and it's not unusual for former athletes to criticise their erstwhile trainer.

Indeed.....but they tend to keep quiet while they are being adorned with medals in the process, and throw the elbow in after all is said and done. A lot of athletes aren't happy at the time, but they accept the trade-off. Happy might be less important than success.

We don't even know if this is something which even bothers her.

__Alex__ · 13-04-2017 08:36AM

ligerdub wrote: »

The coverage on sky sports made me wonder if she was going to take the winning putt for him. I've seen several pieces of coverage since (including here in this country) which attributed this win to her.

Attributed is FAR too strong a word. The article you linked here shows that. It's a fluff piece so light it almost need to be tethered to stop floating off. In the article, some satellite person says "He was always a great player, I think he is even better since they got together". That's just one person and the focus is still mostly on him with the statement. This really is just hypersensitivity. You think anyone is seriously even factoring her into their thinking when considering his Masters win?

mzungu · 13-04-2017 09:35AM

I think we need to do some kind of AMA with this golfer chap and the swimmer. Settle this once and for all, yo!

take everything · 23-04-2017 04:41PM

LostinBlanch wrote: »

There's an interesting article in the Guardian about Laura Kipnis , a professor who wrote about Title IX, the federal staute in the States that is driving the current rape culture paranoia on US campuses. The one where the accused are denied any legal representation or information about their charges until they turn up, so can not prepare any defense!

Of course, writing about this means that 3rd wave feminists turned on her.

The article ends with comparing this hysteria to the Salem Witch Trials, but to me it looks like self appointed student groups are acting like Mao's Red Guards in the Cultural Revolution. Trying to cow professors and academics into submission for fear of losing their jobs, or worse.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ITJ6-9O9ew

Just watched this Laura Kipnis video and she is such an impressive speaker.
Open-minded, nuanced, articulate and honest.
Talking about the difficulties of feminism today. How it's monolithic and regressive in many ways.

py2006 · 01-05-2017 09:04PM

Just watched the recent episode of All Around to Mrs Brown (s01e06). There is a segement called "Mammy of the Week", were children pay tribute to their mothers and inform us why she deserves to be mother of the week. Queue the funny anecdotes etc.

However, one 'funny' anecedote is that she has a 'terrible temper' and takes it out on the husband. She has thrown toasters and hairdryers etc at him. But the funniest part for the audience was the photo of the hole in the wall that still remains from the knife she threw at him. Which she says is a constant reminder to him to, "stay on her good side". All hysterics!!

Reverse the genders etc....

red ears · 01-05-2017 11:13PM

py2006 wrote: »

Just watched the recent episode of All Around to Mrs Brown (s01e06). There is a segement called "Mammy of the Week", were children pay tribute to their mothers and inform us why she deserves to be mother of the year. Queue the funny anecdotes etc.

However, one 'funny' anecedote is that she has a 'terrible temper' and takes it out on the husband. She has thrown toasters and hairdryers etc. But the funniest part for the audience was the photo of the hole in the wall that still remains from the knife she threw at him. Which she says is a constant reminder to him to, "stay on her good side". All hysterics!!

Reverse the genders etc....

I'm sure there were quite a few male victims of domestic violence watching that and thinking wtf.

And of course if he retaliated in any way after having toasters and knives thrown at him he would be branded the domestic abuser. Society has such a long way to go yet in understanding male victims and female aggressors in domestic violence.

ligerdub · 02-05-2017 10:49AM

I recently setup my own business (I'm essentially self-employed). I received the following e-mail this morning, and this sort of stuff is par for the course. I'm sick of this leg-up stuff that's going on!

Disclaimer: I'm a man.

"Competitive Start Fund (CSF) for Female Entrepreneurs Open Evening in the GEC May 8th

Enterprise Ireland’s €750,000 Competitive Start Fund (CSF) for Female Entrepreneurs will open for applications on Wednesday 3rd May and closes at 3pm on Wednesday 17th May. Equity funding of €50,000 is available to a maximum of 15 successful female applicants with early stage, female-led start-up companies. Last year, one in three companies that received CSF investment from Enterprise Ireland were female-led.

The purpose of this CSF is to accelerate the growth of female-led start-up companies that have the potential to develop an innovative product or service for sale on international markets, and the potential to create 10 jobs and €1m in sales within 3-4 years of starting up. The fund is designed to accelerate ambitious females to reach their key commercial and technical milestones, build out and validate a scalable business proposition."

Carlos Orange · 02-05-2017 11:01AM

No

Sometimes I feel like I'm in a 70s dystopian film. Where else would you find the motto equality through discrimination appropriate.

flyingsnail · 02-05-2017 12:16PM

ligerdub wrote: »

I recently setup my own business (I'm essentially self-employed). I received the following e-mail this morning, and this sort of stuff is par for the course. I'm sick of this leg-up stuff that's going on!

Disclaimer: I'm a man.

"Competitive Start Fund (CSF) for Female Entrepreneurs Open Evening in the GEC May 8th

Enterprise Ireland’s €750,000 Competitive Start Fund (CSF) for Female Entrepreneurs will open for applications on Wednesday 3rd May and closes at 3pm on Wednesday 17th May. Equity funding of €50,000 is available to a maximum of 15 successful female applicants with early stage, female-led start-up companies. Last year, one in three companies that received CSF investment from Enterprise Ireland were female-led.

The purpose of this CSF is to accelerate the growth of female-led start-up companies that have the potential to develop an innovative product or service for sale on international markets, and the potential to create 10 jobs and €1m in sales within 3-4 years of starting up. The fund is designed to accelerate ambitious females to reach their key commercial and technical milestones, build out and validate a scalable business proposition."

My local enterprise board pull the same sort of crap, women only lectures, and networking events

Calhoun · 02-05-2017 02:34PM

Anyway to tackle this blatant sexism? or are there other supports available.

I wonder what will be the out come of this will men start turning away from the enterprise boards? its already hard enough to be an entrepreneur in Ireland, i would think you would be mad to create jobs for a ungrateful goverment.

iptba · 02-05-2017 06:12PM

flyingsnail wrote: »

My local enterprise board pull the same sort of crap, women only lectures, and networking events

For what it is worth, I just got this as a boosted post in my twitter feed i.e. Bank of Ireland paid for it to be boosted. Don't see that happening if the genders were reversed.

https://twitter.com/bankofireland/status/859334986159108096

iptba · 03-05-2017 04:07PM

The Department of Justice and Equality's National Women's Strategy 2017-2020 was launched today. There is no similar strategy for men.
https://twitter.com/karenmc_l/status/859762155012358145

The new National Women's Strategy will set out Government policy on promoting equality and the empowerment of women and girls from 2017 to 2020.
https://www.ibec.ie/IBEC/DFB.nsf/vPages/Social_affairs~Consultations_and_submissions~national-women's-strategy-and-action-plan-2017-2020-13-12-2016?OpenDocument#.WQnyA4jyuUk

Sleepy · 03-05-2017 04:34PM

What a great use of our taxes.

silverharp · 03-05-2017 04:57PM

might be unfair picking on these tweets , but if talking about equality one should be looking at reasonable ways of achieving 50/50, given the way the prism is normally turned the other way

https://twitter.com/SimonCommunity/status/859784272919629824

red ears · 03-05-2017 09:35PM

Empower women.. empowerment of women... i'm completely sick of that word empower.. What empowerment do they need in 2017 everything is set up for them. They have never had it so good.

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