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Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours 2016/2017

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  • #5822
    5starpool
    Subscribers Posts: 32,866 ✭✭✭✭5starpool


    Augeo wrote: »
    On a serious note........ Henderson has been out since 11th Feb :eek:
    And I don't think he'll play again this season, that's almost 4 months and there's no real info on what's wrong, how bad is it and what can be done.

    Big worry looking forward tbh.

    Given that this is the second season of similar injuries (albeit allegedly a different but similar one) I'd be worried. If similar happens next season with a heel/foot injury I think he could be in serious trouble. Even if Can stays and signs a new contract, we need a new midfielder for competition purposes anyhow, especially if Lucas leaves, as always looks likely. The rumoured Keita thing would basically be someone for Henderson's position this season anyhow so would fit that bill, but if Henderson is fit, he'll play further forward I reckon if we signed Keita or similar, although I don't know how Klopp would lineup ahead of that.

    Hopefully we'll have 60 or so games next season (which will mean it was a good season) so there will likely be a good bit of playing time for a good few lads. In a massive case of getting ahead of myself, what I'd classify as a very good season next time out would be: Top 4 again, win a domestic trophy, and knockout stage qualification for CL if we are in it.


  • #5823
    [Deleted User]
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    5starpool wrote: »
    .............. what I'd classify as a very good season next time out would be: Top 4 again, win a domestic trophy, and knockout stage qualification for CL if we are in it.

    100% agree.


  • #5824
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,572 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    5starpool wrote: »
    a very good season next time out would be: Top 4 again, win a domestic trophy, and knockout stage qualification for CL if we are in it.

    I could never aim to come 4th, to have a run in Europe rather than win it. When did it happen, at what point in history did Liverpool become a club aiming to just compete, not win. It happened at some point, and then the fans were conditioned to see it as normal.
    I can never see it though, I never will. I really think we have to aim to win league next year, we are so close, even this year was our year but for some very strange results.
    A good season next season is a League and CL double.


  • #5825
    Knex*
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,477 ✭✭✭✭Knex*


    Counting on Henderson to be available next year, and not trying to bring in an upgrade on him, would be exactly the kind of decision that would leave us massively regretting it next season.


  • #5826
    Knex*
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,477 ✭✭✭✭Knex*


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    I could never aim to come 4th, to have a run in Europe rather than win it. When did it happen, at what point in history did Liverpool become a club aiming to just compete, not win. It happened at some point, and then the fans were conditioned to see it as normal.
    I can never see it though, I never will. I really think we have to aim to win league next year, we are so close, even this year was our year but for some very strange results.
    A good season next season is a League and CL double.

    Somewhere around 2010.


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  • #5827
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 17,728 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Knex. wrote: »
    Somewhere around 2010.

    the 90s IMO

    We've been marginally above midtable for more than a few seasons.


  • #5828
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,572 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Rafa was great as he never aimed for 4th, or to get to knockout stage. He wanted to win and fought hard to drag club along to think that way to.
    He went toe to toe with the so called best and beat them all.


  • #5829
    Osmosis Jones
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,807 ✭✭✭✭Osmosis Jones


    Yeah lads unless we win every competition we're in it's a terrible season.


  • #5830
    Harry Palmr
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    Knex. wrote: »
    Counting on Henderson to be available next year, and not trying to bring in an upgrade on him, would be exactly the kind of decision that would leave us massively regretting it next season.

    The last two seasons has to be considered the likely "Norm!!!" from here on I fear, cannot possibly to into a CL season with Can and him as the only two central/deeper midfielders and expect to prosper at any level. Obviously Grujic could turn out to be a monster but at his age he can wait a bit for regular starts.


  • #5831
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,572 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Repetition forms habit. You have to believe that less than winning it failure. Look at Barca, they won't celebrate their run in Europe, or coming in top 4. There was a time we were meeting and defeating those so called giants.


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  • #5832
    Buford T. Justice XIX
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    Osmosis Jones wrote: »
    Yeah lads unless we win every competition we're in it's a terrible season.
    Conditioned!

    Called it:pac:


  • #5833
    citytillidie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,862 ✭✭✭✭citytillidie


    Augeo wrote: »
    On a serious note........ Henderson has been out since 11th Feb :eek:
    And I don't think he'll play again this season, that's almost 4 months and there's no real info on what's wrong, how bad is it and what can be done.

    Big worry looking forward tbh.

    and to think that team over the fence were celebrating on twitter when the worlds most expensive player took over him in the passing charts on the premier league site lol

    ******



  • #5834
    Knex*
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    Augeo wrote: »
    the 90s IMO

    We've been marginally above midtable for more than a few seasons.

    I think under Rafa, at least in the cups, we constantly aimed to win. We were able to attract the likes of Torres then because of this.


  • #5835
    5starpool
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    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    I could never aim to come 4th, to have a run in Europe rather than win it. When did it happen, at what point in history did Liverpool become a club aiming to just compete, not win. It happened at some point, and then the fans were conditioned to see it as normal.
    I can never see it though, I never will. I really think we have to aim to win league next year, we are so close, even this year was our year but for some very strange results.
    A good season next season is a League and CL double.

    Where did I say it was the aim? It's a process. Obviously the aim at the start of every season is to win everything, but what I laid out before I'd be very happy with. It's not an all or nothing scenario you know. If you think we need to win the league and CL for it to be a good season you should stop watching football now.


  • #5836
    Knex*
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    Sums it up nicely

    https://twitter.com/JARiiseOfficial/status/859007386299899904


  • #5837
    Grayditch
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    Stress of tonight.


  • #5838
    [Deleted User]
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    Grayditch wrote: »
    Stress of tonight.

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  • #5839
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


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  • #5840
    NukaCola
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,983 ✭✭✭✭NukaCola


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    When did it happen, at what point in history did Liverpool become a club aiming to just compete, not win.

    Roy Hodgson.


  • #5841
    NukaCola
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,983 ✭✭✭✭NukaCola


    Liverpool under Rafa were a force in Europe.

    1st season CL Winners
    2nd season CL Last 16
    3rd season CL Final runners up
    4th season CL Semi Finals
    5th season CL Quarter finals
    6th season EL Semi finals

    That consistency was very impressive and many still didn't rate him at LFC. Mad.


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  • #5842
    Gbear
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,775 ✭✭✭✭Gbear


    NukaCola wrote: »
    Liverpool under Rafa were a force in Europe.

    1st season CL Winners
    2nd season CL Last 16
    3rd season CL Final runners up
    4th season CL Semi Finals
    5th season CL Quarter finals
    6th season EL Semi finals

    That consistency was very impressive and many still didn't rate him at LFC. Mad.

    To be fair, that was pre-City and, it must be said, given the current lay of the land, pre-Spurs as well.
    The league was a lot poorer as well.
    I'm not sure what the stats are vis a vis the gulf in money, but I would imagine that lower level clubs have closed the gap with the TV deal being such a huge proportion of income.


  • #5843
    Buford T. Justice XIX
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    Jürgen Klopp says Liverpool’s style makes life hard for their defenders



    https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/apr/30/jurgen-klopp-liverpool-style-make-life-hard-defenders

    In the article, he talks about the CBs making the correct decisions at the correct time and that we are looking at CBs who are more comfortable with open spaces.


  • #5844
    Tusky
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,092 ✭✭✭✭Tusky


    Gbear wrote: »
    To be fair, that was pre-City and, it must be said, given the current lay of the land, pre-Spurs as well.
    The league was a lot poorer as well.
    I'm not sure what the stats are vis a vis the gulf in money, but I would imagine that lower level clubs have closed the gap with the TV deal being such a huge proportion of income.

    It was also during a time when Chelsea, United and Arsenal were all very strong though. There's arguably no one in the league now at that level - which is weird considering how much more cash everyone has.


  • #5845
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    A lot of money has been wasted and the more of it there is the worse it'll get. Wenger and Mourinho are in different ways past it anyway.


  • #5846
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,572 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    If Pocahontas left Spurs and Rafa got that job then Spurs would dominate league and Europe if he was given time and money and respect.
    A manager needs to be able to tell the top players at the club to GFT !


  • #5847
    BorneTobyWilde
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    Buford T. Justice V wrote: »
    J?rgen Klopp says Liverpool?s style makes life hard for their defenders


    .


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  • #5848
    NukaCola
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,983 ✭✭✭✭NukaCola


    Gbear wrote: »
    To be fair, that was pre-City and, it must be said, given the current lay of the land, pre-Spurs as well.
    The league was a lot poorer as well.
    I'm not sure what the stats are vis a vis the gulf in money, but I would imagine that lower level clubs have closed the gap with the TV deal being such a huge proportion of income.

    I'm not talking about domestically though, i agree CL qualification was easier for us but to constantly compete in Europe at that level was impressive.


  • #5849
    LuckyLloyd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,585 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    Gbear wrote: »
    To be fair, that was pre-City and, it must be said, given the current lay of the land, pre-Spurs as well.
    The league was a lot poorer as well.
    I'm not sure what the stats are vis a vis the gulf in money, but I would imagine that lower level clubs have closed the gap with the TV deal being such a huge proportion of income.

    Don't agree the league was poorer during that period. The top end was definitely stronger, as per the European performances at the time. The Premiership's recent performances in CL is a much better barometer of strength, even if it is competitive.


  • #5850
    LuckyLloyd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,585 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    BT tonight I assume?


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  • #5851
    Osmosis Jones
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,807 ✭✭✭✭Osmosis Jones


    LuckyLloyd wrote: »
    BT tonight I assume?

    Monday night football on Sky I'd guess.


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