Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours 2016/2017

MD1990 · 28-04-2017 11:33AM

Can's deal is probably not about money.
He probably has some very good offers as Juventus are said to be interested.

Van Dijk looks a very good defender. But watching him closely before he got injured he had a terrible habit of dropping too deep similar to Skrtel. Playing in a higher line at Liverpool he would be much more exposed but he has got pace. 50m is huge money for him but he was the standout CB in the PL before injury.

corwill · 28-04-2017 11:34AM

klose wrote: »

Lovren gets a 100k a week contract yet we are playing hardball over cans contract, it just begs belief tbh.

It's hard to rationalise. 100k p/w, in the aftermath of a regularly scheduled, textbook Nervol cot-be****ting. Even preceded by his usual gobbing in the press, like clockwork he soils himself.

klose · 28-04-2017 11:45AM

corwill wrote: »

It's hard to rationalise. 100k p/w, in the aftermath of a regularly scheduled, textbook Nervol cot-be****ting. Even preceded by his usual gobbing in the press, like clockwork he soils himself.

My thoughts when lovren has a decent game is "well lovren didn't **** anything up so that's good" not exactly a good thing. He has had some very good games for sure but he's never had a sustained patch of form.
I mean why tie him to a new deal? I highly doubt anyone was looking to buy him off us for the money he was already on. It just seems we reward players with contracts for some unknown reason rather than tie down players to keep their value.

Nerdlingr · 28-04-2017 11:54AM

Wow. The hate for Lovren is strong on this thread. Up until last week with Lovren and Matip together at the back we hadn't lost a game. He made one mistake the last day and got punished for it. He's actually been solid enough this season but people cant or wont admit it.

And Can hardballing on a new contract??....Pick up people at corners, less ball watching, less staring at the ground when your man scores and then you can start having demands...do it out on the pitch first ffs !

Agent Coulson · 28-04-2017 12:00PM

The way I look at wages these days is Mr Sturridge gets £150k a week to be injured, Clyne gets £80k a week to run up and down the pitch without doing much else, Moreno gets £65k a week to be a mascot for the the Brazilians.

Wages really don't mean much anymore in the Premier TV money league *best league in the world

*Sky (tm)

Like transfer fees wages are a joke the players should be judged on what they do on the pitch and most our defenders and keepers don't do it on the pitch.

googled eyes · 28-04-2017 12:01PM

Only six PL centre-backs are now earning more than Calamity Dej (Kompany, Otamendi, Stones, Terry, Luiz and Vertonghen).

28-04-2017 12:05PM

Mourinhio crying we have played more games than Utd. Boo hoo. Dry your salty tears. Almost as bitter as Everton fans.

NukaCola · 28-04-2017 12:18PM

RoboKlopp wrote: »

Mourinhio crying we have played more games than Utd. Boo hoo. Dry your salty tears. Almost as bitter as Everton fans.

Thats a bit harsh! :P

Mr.H · 28-04-2017 12:24PM

BullBlackNova wrote:

The system is the issue - fix the system, fix the defence.

I don't think it's the system either.

Under Rafa (at the end) and Roy we also had defensive issues. Kenny had defensive problems and then Rodger's and now klopp.

I think the issue the same as our keeping issue is a coaching one. We need to change our coaching staff. We need a top class goalkeeping coach and a top class defensive coach.

I'd be bringing in hypos, Haman and carra to help our defence on the coaching side. Surely their experiences would help the defence in all situations Such as Ariel balls, man marking and playing from the back (Hamann).

A top class keeping coach like Clemence would be a great addition also.

Obviously I don't give a sh1t if these are the people we brought in. My point is we need to invest in our coaching team as I feel that is why we have these issues.

I mean we keep turning great players bad....... that has to be a coaching issue

RobertKK · 28-04-2017 12:27PM

RoboKlopp wrote: »

Mourinhio crying we have played more games than Utd. Boo hoo. Dry your salty tears. Almost as bitter as Everton fans.

If it is a fact that United have played 18 games more, then it is fact and not crying.
It could be Jose having a cut at Liverpool and Chelsea.
Liverpool have 4 games to play this season.
United have a minimum 7 and if things go their way it will be twice the number of games Liverpool have.
I am sure Liverpool fans would have liked more games this season.
United fans have near a regular 2 games a week to watch.
It does take a toll on the team, and that is not an excuse, it is simply fact.

Mr.H · 28-04-2017 12:30PM

RobertKK wrote:

If it is a fact that United have played 18 games more, then it is fact and not crying. It could be Jose having a cut at Liverpool and Chelsea. Liverpool have 4 games to play this season. United have a minimum 7 and if things go their way it will be twice the number of games Liverpool have. I am sure Liverpool fans would have liked more games this season. United fans have near a regular 2 games a week to watch. It does take a toll on the team, and that is not an excuse, it is simply fact.

Liverpool had all those games to deal with last year and I'm sure Jose would have laughed at klopp giving out about it.

I agree on one thing though. As a football fan I wanna watch Liverpool play twice a week.

Unlike united though Liverpool just don't have enough players yet. United have enough but not enough that Jose likes/trusts

Knex* · 28-04-2017 12:32PM

BullBlackNova wrote: »

I'm not condoning giving Lovren a contract as such, but he's hardly the only issue with our defence.

Our issues have gone on for the best part of a decade. First it was Skrtel, then Rodgers was a problem. Sakho came in for heavy criticism (we conceded 148 goals in his three seasons) and since leaving he's the ****ing messiah. Now Lovren is the issue...

Lovren makes mistakes, yep, won't argue against that. I do think he's slightly better than some on here but, look, opinions, arseholes, etc.

But replacing him and making no other changes would accomplish the square root of **** all as far as I can see.

The system is the issue - fix the system, fix the defence.

Our team is unbalanced. Our attack is overloaded to compensate for its shortcomings. The result is extra players forward, scoring more goals.

The issue of that is that our defence is isolated - 2 players left doing the job that some teams assign to 5 or 6. How the **** are they supposed to look anything other than awful in that situation?

I'm fairly certain that if, Rafa for example, was at the club next season, we wouldn't be conceding 50+ goals in the league.

Definitely think that the way we set up for the best part of 5 years now is really conducive to keeping it solid. The amount of clear cut chances we give away must be pretty high compared to other teams across the top leagues.

A Kante, or even Wanyama type player would really, really help us though. Even having Lucas play recently has made us look a lot more solid. Rebel seems to think Keita is a player in that mould, so hopefully that's a positive sign that the club are looking to do something about it, as all along I had thought they were just going to ignore it.

I also think we need someone in the Alonso category as well, in that we often starve our forwards of quick transitioning type passes. The loss of Sakho has hurt us here too, as at least he was capable of rifling those passes into the front line and immediately putting the defence on the back foot.

Think of how much more effective Coutinho, Firmino and Lallana would be if we had 2009 Alonso and Mascharano in the team. The change to our side would me immense.

Alonso77 · 28-04-2017 12:33PM

Mr.H wrote: »

I don't think it's the system either.

Under Rafa (at the end) and Roy we also had defensive issues. Kenny had defensive problems and then Rodger's and now klopp.

I think the issue the same as our keeping issue is a coaching one. We need to change our coaching staff. We need a top class goalkeeping coach and a top class defensive coach.

I'd be bringing in hypos, Haman and carra to help our defence on the coaching side. Surely their experiences would help the defence in all situations Such as Ariel balls, man marking and playing from the back (Hamann).

A top class keeping coach like Clemence would be a great addition also.

Obviously I don't give a sh1t if these are the people we brought in. My point is we need to invest in our coaching team as I feel that is why we have these issues.

I mean we keep turning great players bad....... that has to be a coaching issue

Hamann doesn't seem to be a massive fan of klopp and is quite vocal about it so wouldn't imagine seeing him in the coaching line up anytime soon

Knex* · 28-04-2017 12:35PM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Should I mention that before the Palace game Liverpool had won 5 and drawn 2? The form was actually pretty good.

We were playing like muck though, for the most part.

Our performances in 2017 have been largely poor and worrisome.

MarkY91 · 28-04-2017 12:36PM

SuperTortoise wrote: »

Let us not forget that the same Klopp had us challenging for the league up until Christmas, playing the best football in the league, and having made a profit in transfers since he came to the club a year previous.

Injuries to key players have broken our season apart, no manager would have extended the squad with how little football we were due to play this year, instead he focused on quality of the first team and that has been a success, perhaps not buying anyone in January was a big risk but Klopp is'nt going to go out and spend money on players for the sake of it, anyone he buys he buys for the long term for the most part.
I would'nt change Klopp for any manager in world football at the moment.

I wouldn't change him neither but of we don't get too 4 then he failed. I seen someone mention that finishing 5th is progression form previous seasons. That's ridiculous. We should be safe like spurs after that amazing first half to the season. Everyone was talking about winning the league and CL football wasn't even mentioned as if it was guaranteed. Now we're going to crawl across the line at best.

Osmosis Jones · 28-04-2017 12:39PM

Keita doesn't strike me as a proper defensive mid, he sits alongside another defensive mid but he's usually the one who likes to go forward. Now that could work out if it's true that Can doesn't want to be a box to box player and would much rather be a DM, if he's actually up for the job.

A front six like this doesn't look too bad to me

Firmino
Costa?-Coutinho-Mane
Can-Keita

NukaCola · 28-04-2017 12:44PM

Osmosis Jones wrote: »

Keita doesn't strike me as a proper defensive mid, he sits alongside another defensive mid but he's usually the one who likes to go forward. Now that could work out if it's true that Can doesn't want to be a box to box player and would much rather be a DM, if he's actually up for the job.

A front six like this doesn't look too bad to me
Firmino
Costa?-Coutinho-Mane
Can-Keita

No Lallana?

Osmosis Jones · 28-04-2017 12:45PM

NukaCola wrote: »

No Lallana?

Squad depth. Hopefully we'll be competing in enough competitions next year to have himself and Wijnaldum get plenty of game time. They're not bad players to have on the bench either.

NukaCola · 28-04-2017 12:47PM

Nerdlingr wrote: »

Wow. The hate for Lovren is strong on this thread.

In fairness, has anyone said anything hateful?

He's not worth 100k a week and people are just pointing it out. I dont think its crazy/hateful to say he would be the CB everyone wants to upgrade is it?

NukaCola · 28-04-2017 12:49PM

Osmosis Jones wrote: »

Squad depth. Hopefully we'll be competing in enough competitions next year to have himself and Wijnaldum get plenty of game time. They're not bad players to have on the bench either.

I'd have them both in there ahead of Can and Coutinho personally, not sure how well your midfield would work but looks good all the same.

Harry Palmr · 28-04-2017 12:55PM

MarkY91 wrote: »

I wouldn't change him neither but of we don't get too 4 then he failed. I seen someone mention that finishing 5th is progression form previous seasons. That's ridiculous. We should be safe like spurs after that amazing first half to the season. Everyone was talking about winning the league and CL football wasn't even mentioned as if it was guaranteed. Now we're going to crawl across the line at best.

You are right to a point, but it real issue this season (and probably for the foreseeable future) is just how just competitive the Top 6/7 is now - the points tally Liverpool is likely to end up with would be enough to secure a Top 4 berth in 8 out of 10 years but now it's a dogfight to the last day. Obviously the same applies to the rest of them which is why Man Utd, Arsenal and even Man City are fretful and Everton are only a little further back.

2015/16 - 66
2014/15 - 70
2013/14 - 79 (mad season that!)
2012/13 - 73
2011/12 - 69
2010/11 - 68
2009/10 - 70
2008/09 - 72
2007/08 - 76

tinpib · 28-04-2017 01:00PM

Like many on here I'm a bit shocked and annoyed at Lovren's contract, giving Klavan's replacement 100k a week seems reckless.

28-04-2017 01:03PM

RobertKK wrote: »

If it is a fact that United have played 18 games more, then it is fact and not crying.
It could be Jose having a cut at Liverpool and Chelsea.
Liverpool have 4 games to play this season.
United have a minimum 7 and if things go their way it will be twice the number of games Liverpool have.
I am sure Liverpool fans would have liked more games this season.
United fans have near a regular 2 games a week to watch.
It does take a toll on the team, and that is not an excuse, it is simply fact.

Klopp well able to complain about fixtures in the PL too etc

28-04-2017 01:08PM

RobertKK wrote: »

If it is a fact that United have played 18 games more, then it is fact and not crying.
It could be Jose having a cut at Liverpool and Chelsea.
Liverpool have 4 games to play this season.
United have a minimum 7 and if things go their way it will be twice the number of games Liverpool have.
I am sure Liverpool fans would have liked more games this season.
United fans have near a regular 2 games a week to watch.
It does take a toll on the team, and that is not an excuse, it is simply fact.

He's insinuating its not fair. Actual he actually said it's an unfair fight.

Poor José with the small squad and budget.

RobertKK · 28-04-2017 01:25PM

RoboKlopp wrote: »

He's insinuating its not fair. Actual he actually said it's an unfair fight.

Poor José with the small squad and budget.

Well the squad is getting smaller and smaller, lost two players last night for upcoming games, Fellaini through stupidity and Fosu Mensah with a dislocated shoulder.
They are dropping like flies after a fly spray has been used at the moment.
This comes after losing Pogba in the previous game and Zlatan and Rojo in the game before that.
One can add in Mata, Smalling and Jones.

Every game for United is taking a toll right now it seems.
It may end up benefitting Liverpool and City.

noodler · 28-04-2017 01:39PM

RobertKK wrote: »

Well the squad is getting smaller and smaller, lost two players last night for upcoming games, Fellaini through stupidity and Fosu Mensah with a dislocated shoulder.
They are dropping like flies after a fly spray has been used at the moment.
This comes after losing Pogba in the previous game and Zlatan and Rojo in the game before that.
One can add in Mata, Smalling and Jones.

Every game for United is taking a toll right now it seems.
It may end up benefitting Liverpool and City.

Just concentrate on the Europa - let Swansea survive!

BorneTobyWilde · 28-04-2017 01:42PM

Lovern was considered to have turned it around last season under klopp, he was very well regarded. Now we are back to thinking he is useless again.
Considering how open we play our football he is doing fine. Needs to stay fit, all these '' no reasons'' behind how he misses games needs explaining. Come Monday and an hour before kickoff he could be out of game, it's never explained, has happened so often.

corwill · 28-04-2017 01:42PM

RobertKK wrote: »

Well the squad is getting smaller and smaller, lost two players last night for upcoming games, Fellaini through stupidity and Fosu Mensah with a dislocated shoulder.
They are dropping like flies after a fly spray has been used at the moment.
This comes after losing Pogba in the previous game and Zlatan and Rojo in the game before that.
One can add in Mata, Smalling and Jones.

Every game for United is taking a toll right now it seems.
It may end up benefitting Liverpool and City.

Is conspiracy.

noodler · 28-04-2017 01:46PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Lovern was considered to have turned it around last season under klopp, he was very well regarded. Now we are back to thinking he is useless again.
Considering how open we play our football he is doing fine. Needs to stay fit, all these '' no reasons'' behind how he misses games needs explaining. Come Monday and an hour before kickoff he could be out of game, it's never explained, has happened so often.

He is certainly not doing fine.

Certainly not well enough to warrant a contract extension and massive (reported) pay rise imo.

5starpool · 28-04-2017 01:52PM

Harry - instead of using 4th as a benchmark, you should use 5th. Arsenal got those 79 points in 13/14 but 5th were a good few points back, so 79 weren't needed to get 4th.

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