Better Call Saul Spoilers

Antar Bolaeisk · 25-04-2017 05:56PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Was the reason for the gunshots in the air to scare the two truck drivers, or was it just to show there was someone else there?

So when the truck drivers report back to Hector he will have a suspicion Mike set it up?

It was so that when the final gunshot hit the runners that the drivers wouldn't pay any heed to it as they'd already dismissed the shooter as a hunter interested in other things.

chops018 · 25-04-2017 06:02PM

A solid episode. I preferred the first two if I am being honest. I understand, but don't like, when people compare the show to Breaking Bad (not on this forum btw). It was originally meant to be a dark comedy iirc, but it's turned into a proper drama in it's own right while showing the development of BB characters. I don't think it needs to be similar, or compared to, BB. Obviously it's good to see the nod's to BB, and I was glad to see the proper introduction of Gus. I'd say there will be some great plot's ahead with those two.

FloatingVoter · 25-04-2017 06:20PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Was the reason for the gunshots in the air to scare the two truck drivers, or was it just to show there was someone else there?

So when the truck drivers report back to Hector he will have a suspicion Mike set it up?

The drivers will be spending a long time in a TexMex jail. Hector would assume clumsiness / bad luck and write it off as an inevitable 1 in 10 loss. The mysterious "hunter" in a barren landscape might interest him. The fact that Mike is getting more sophisticated in his methods is probably down to Gus. Hector might add two and two on that front.

gormdubhgorm · 25-04-2017 06:49PM

chops018 wrote: »

A solid episode. I preferred the first two if I am being honest. I understand, but don't like, when people compare the show to Breaking Bad (not on this forum btw). It was originally meant to be a dark comedy iirc, but it's turned into a proper drama in it's own right while showing the development of BB characters. I don't think it needs to be similar, or compared to, BB. Obviously it's good to see the nod's to BB, and I was glad to see the proper introduction of Gus. I'd say there will be some great plot's ahead with those two.

Yeah when better call saul is finished and there are people who have yet to watch Breaking Bad they will be spoiled.

Watching all these BCS episodes before you watch Breaking Bad (without knowing the outcomes will make it a different viewing experience to the rest of us.
It will be cliff hanger stuff all the way (besides the fly episode).

johnpatrick81 · 26-04-2017 01:40AM

That was a great move by Mike(and Gus

).

Loved the nods to what's to come, with the bell, and the chair, and the doctor's. Whatever is in that "revenge" bag will surely give us Senor Ding Ding.

De Bhál · 26-04-2017 09:53AM

yeah loving this now

was Kim getting ready at the start for the day ahead a nod to something, reminded me of wonder woman or something but I haven't seen that in maybe 30 years so could be wrong, just that was the vibe with the music etc.

Loved the whole red runner, drug planting, hunter in hills scene but on looking back I thought it was a bit overboard with a good chance of it not working out as intended. There must be multiple other/easier ways to coat some cocaine onthe back step of the truck than that. Wouldn't make for as good viewing though.

Chuck also just standing out on the lawn talking to Jimmy - even I'm confused a bit now about his sickness.

26-04-2017 09:57AM

De Bhál wrote: »

yeah loving this now

was Kim getting ready at the start for the day ahead a nod to something, reminded me of wonder woman or something but I haven't seen that in maybe 30 years so could be wrong, just that was the vibe with the music etc.

Loved the whole red runner, drug planting, hunter in hills scene but on looking back I thought it was a bit overboard with a good chance of it not working out as intended. There must be multiple other/easier ways to coat some cocaine onthe back step of the truck than that. Wouldn't make for as good viewing though.

Chuck also just standing out on the lawn talking to Jimmy - even I'm confused a bit now about his sickness.

I thought the same. Too many variables in that plan for it work every time. A bit sloppy from Mike imo.

Tabnabs · 26-04-2017 10:02AM

When Jimmy was taking off his belt, tie etc. at the jail, the camera also focused in on his shoes, slip-ons. I immediately thought of his nickname Slippin' Jimmy. Am I going too far now...?!

Some wonderful cinematography again, the perfect side shot of Mikes angular car, the desert scenery, the shot up Alto sign (alto meaning 'Stop' but translates directly as 'high'). Another great episode.

rob316 · 26-04-2017 11:52AM

Tabnabs wrote: »

When Jimmy was taking off his belt, tie etc. at the jail, the camera also focused in on his shoes, slip-ons. I immediately thought of his nickname Slippin' Jimmy. Am I going too far now...?!

Some wonderful cinematography again, the perfect side shot of Mikes angular car, the desert scenery, the shot up Alto sign (alto meaning 'Stop' but translates directly as 'high'). Another great episode.

way too far, why do people keep coming up with these.

johnpatrick81 · 26-04-2017 12:01PM

Great to hear some Todd Terje too!(the song when Kim was getting ready)

Penn · 26-04-2017 12:20PM

De Bhál wrote: »

Loved the whole red runner, drug planting, hunter in hills scene but on looking back I thought it was a bit overboard with a good chance of it not working out as intended. There must be multiple other/easier ways to coat some cocaine onthe back step of the truck than that. Wouldn't make for as good viewing though.

I'm not sure there would have been an easier way, not without a team of guys to help. And even though Gus permitted Mike to do it and got him the cocaine, it would have been too big a risk for Gus to send some of his own people to help Mike.

The van had two guys in it, one clearly being security/muscle. They seemed to drive on open roads with good lookout from their base to the border patrol. Only stopping to get rid of their guns a few miles before the border, and even then where they stop to do that was an open space with not enough time for someone to get from a hiding spot to plant the coke and get back before the guys returned to the van.

Trying to make the van stop in any other way would have been too suspicious and even if the guys were still caught at the border, they'd be able to tell Hector about it as it would have been the likely way the coke got planted. With this plan, and especially with Mike shooting the gun repeatedly to make them think it was hunters, they likely have no idea how the coke got there. It will most likely seem like something happened at their base before they left and some coke spilled or something. Even if they say they heard gunshots when they were stashing their guns, it'd be a leap to figure out how that led to coke being on the step.

That would also tie in to how the last time Mike stole from Hector and a civilian helped the driver, Hector had the civilian killed. The way Mike did it this time, there's no one for Hector to come back on except his own people.

I'm not saying it was the best possible plan as I certainly wouldn't even have thought of doing what Mike did for this plan. But for someone as sure in his abilities and planning, and as cautious as Mike is, his plan ticked all the boxes.

De Bhál · 26-04-2017 12:58PM

Penn wrote: »

I'm not sure there would have been an easier way, not without a team of guys to help. And even though Gus permitted Mike to do it and got him the cocaine, it would have been too big a risk for Gus to send some of his own people to help Mike.

why not just ring customs and say there's a van on the way stuffed to gills with drugs

problem with that is maybe he has a man in customs who alerts the van then i suppose

I loved Mike's plan by the way, just thought it a bit loose in that the cocaine had to fall out of the shoe directly onto the van as the van was passing under it which meant both the shoes and the van had to be in perfect position for that to happen.

Like the petrol cap story I said to myself how do they come up with this stuff, it's great

Fred Swanson · 26-04-2017 01:04PM

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serfboard · 26-04-2017 01:47PM

Is it just me or did Gus' accent sound more Hispanic here?

If so, I was thinking to myself that that was great because of course we are earlier in Gus' life so his accent would be more Hispanic than it later became.

De Bhál · 26-04-2017 02:12PM

serfboard wrote: »

Is it just me or did Gus' accent sound more Hispanic here?

If so, I was thinking to myself that that was great because of course we are earlier in Gus' life so his accent would be more Hispanic than it later became.

the aging thing is interesting - It'll be interesting to watch it when finished and roll on into Breaking bad then to see have they pulled it off. Mike is starting to push on a bit now I think. How much of an overlap can they pull off? Which season of BB did Saul first appear? Ist one I'd imagine.

Penn · 26-04-2017 02:22PM

De Bhál wrote: »

why not just ring customs and say there's a van on the way stuffed to gills with drugs

That would alert Hector that someone called customs, which means he starts looking for the person who called. The way Mike did it, it makes it almost impossible for Hector to know how the coke got there, and even makes it possible that it happened by accident in the base where the truck left from.

It was more to just screw with Hector and cause disruption to his supply.

As for how precise things had to be in order for the plan to work, well that's Mike for you

pickarooney · 26-04-2017 02:35PM

serfboard wrote: »

Is it just me or did Gus' accent sound more Hispanic here?

If so, I was thinking to myself that that was great because of course we are earlier in Gus' life so his accent would be more Hispanic than it later became.

Esposito's accent speaking Spanish was terrible in BB. He may have worked on sounding more Hispanic since but I don't think the was anything deliberate planned from back in the day.

henryporter · 26-04-2017 05:28PM

I presume that by the time the Los Pollos Hermanos truck stopped under the runners that all the incriminating evidence would have gone - otherwise it could be an own goal.

Agreed though - another great episode, brilliant writing and execution. Having said that I also thought Chuck standing outside the house in the sun was either an error or else he let his guard down too much in his vainglorious scolding of Jimmy.

Fred Swanson · 26-04-2017 05:31PM

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Penn · 26-04-2017 05:52PM

henryporter wrote: »

I presume that by the time the Los Pollos Hermanos truck stopped under the runners that all the incriminating evidence would have gone - otherwise it could be an own goal.

Agreed though - another great episode, brilliant writing and execution. Having said that I also thought Chuck standing outside the house in the sun was either an error or else he let his guard down too much in his vainglorious scolding of Jimmy.

Chuck is able to go outside now so long as he's not out for long. In fairness they have shown how he's improved in some regards throughout the series, but yes considering how much of his illness is in his head as opposed to an actual affliction, wanting to lord it over Jimmy probably allowed him to ignore the fact he was outside to some degree

astrofool · 27-04-2017 06:46PM

henryporter wrote: »

I presume that by the time the Los Pollos Hermanos truck stopped under the runners that all the incriminating evidence would have gone - otherwise it could be an own goal.

That's some indeterminate point in the future, however long it took the shoe laces to fray completely.

rubadub · 27-04-2017 10:21PM

Penn wrote: »

With this plan, and especially with Mike shooting the gun repeatedly to make them think it was hunters, they likely have no idea how the coke got there. It will most likely seem like something happened at their base before they left and some coke spilled or something. Even if they say they heard gunshots when they were stashing their guns, it'd be a leap to figure out how that led to coke being on the step.

I didn't think anybody was aware there was drugs on the step. It's not like the cops were rubbing their fingers in anything or taking swabs. Unless I missed something? The dog just stopped and sat down, giving an indication something is in the truck, the dog was not even sniffing the steps or anything, its like you see in those customs programs, he sat down and the 2 customs guys say "we have something". So I thought the dog just indicated which lead them to do a full search.

I thought that was the whole point, to leave a trace amount on it, rather than stash some bag of coke which would be brought up in court. For all Hector knows they just have a very good dog, or for some other reason decided to do a full search.

Maybe I missed something though, as I also missed out on it being cocaine, are people sure it was? or just presuming. It did not look particularly white in the bag. Are Hector & Gus both just dealing coke at this stage, and not meth?

Fred Swanson · 27-04-2017 10:26PM

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rubadub · 27-04-2017 10:32PM

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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that is what I thought, not even necessarily illegal. The wiki page even says cocaine so I thought I missed something, and wondered if they are not in the meth trade yet.

NickNickleby · 27-04-2017 10:41PM

When Mike went to collect the 'package' , the receptionist referred to him as a gringo -"revenge". I took this to mean Montezuma's Revenge ie the trots.

Loved the episode. We got to meet 'HT' again. Maybe we are also seeing the end of Chuck. I never picked up on what happened to his wife/partner we saw in a previous flashback. It seems Chuck was in a happy relationship and not sick when Jimmy was working in the mailroom. Whereas now, Chuck is a psychosomatic nutter living alone in the dark, and Jimmy is a lawyer. I think if Jimmy loses his licence to practise, Chuck will have a miraculous recovery and go back to work. (I know, I know...). Generally, in BrBa and BCS, bad guys get their comeuppance. I think Chuck has his coming. But how.....

The reason I don't get tired waiting for developments is that they're so well crafted and also there are so many sub-plots going on.

Roll on tuesday. And this time I'll stay off this thread that day, as last week I saw a comment before I actually watched E2. Cos I'm a masochist, I wait till 9pm to watch it, with a couple of cans in the back room. Ahh, bliss.

rubadub · 28-04-2017 12:05AM

When Chuck was talking to the lawyer woman I thought the bit about the key sounded important.

Did your brother ever have a key to the house? Before the recent trouble, he did.
He brought me my groceries and sundries.
But we had a falling-out.
I have an employee who does all that now.
You took away your brother's key when you hired this employee? I changed the locks.

I don't intend to take it easy on your brother just because he's a lawyer.
Of course not.
The bone of contention is going to be the felony breaking and entering.
Your brother's gonna want to plead down to a misdemeanor, but I'll hold the line on the felony.

So sounds like Jimmy could argue he was unaware the locks were changed and broke in thinking it was OK, or that he was unaware he was not welcome and was worried about Chuck.

They keep repeating that the B&E felony is the serious thing.

What does she want you to confess to? All of it.
The felony B and E.
Uh, misdemeanor petty assault and property damage.
I never touched him, but they got assault in there.
Well, could be worse.

What's his game? One condition of the PPD is that my written confession is immediately submitted to the New Mexico Bar Association.
Your written felony confession.

So I figured I'd plea the charges down to a couple misdemeanors, get a censure, and maybe a little suspension, but a confession to a felony? Grounds for disbarment.

gormdubhgorm · 28-04-2017 01:24AM

NickNickleby wrote: »

I never picked up on what happened to his wife/partner we saw in a previous flashback. It seems Chuck was in a happy relationship

They never elaborated on it they just left people guessing so far

http://breakingbad.wikia.com/wiki/Rebecca_McGill

But if his wife found him overly serious when he was well, who knows what she thought when he was 'sick' ?

Penn · 28-04-2017 08:08AM

rubadub wrote: »

I didn't think anybody was aware there was drugs on the step. It's not like the cops were rubbing their fingers in anything or taking swabs. Unless I missed something? The dog just stopped and sat down, giving an indication something is in the truck, the dog was not even sniffing the steps or anything, its like you see in those customs programs, he sat down and the 2 customs guys say "we have something". So I thought the dog just indicated which lead them to do a full search.

I thought that was the whole point, to leave a trace amount on it, rather than stash some bag of coke which would be brought up in court. For all Hector knows they just have a very good dog, or for some other reason decided to do a full search.

Maybe I missed something though, as I also missed out on it being cocaine, are people sure it was? or just presuming. It did not look particularly white in the bag. Are Hector & Gus both just dealing coke at this stage, and not meth?

Yeah that's all true enough. Again though, it just leaves Hector with no idea as to how they were caught considering they likely have enough procedures in place to make sure the drugs always go through with no hassle.

FreudianSlippers · 28-04-2017 08:25AM

rubadub wrote: »

When Chuck was talking to the lawyer woman I thought the bit about the key sounded important.

So sounds like Jimmy could argue he was unaware the locks were changed and broke in thinking it was OK, or that he was unaware he was not welcome and was worried about Chuck.

They keep repeating that the B&E felony is the serious thing.

In most states the B&E itself isn't a felony; what makes it a felony is the intent once entered - I presume they're either relying on the assault of Chuck or the (attempted) theft of the tape.

That's why the fire-poker was a specific point made which Chuck brushed off.

Slydice · 02-05-2017 02:17PM

Ooooh I had to stop and think there at the end!

Bingo!

They got him to write that Jimmy destroyed his personal property and then admitted that it was just a duplicate. I bet Kim had a recorder on her!

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