Near misses - mod warning 22/04 - see OP/post 822

LpPepper · 21-04-2017 11:59PM

Wow.... Deliberate or a lapse of concentration?....

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1402233933167390&id=100001423892001

Chuchote · 22-04-2017 07:14AM

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

They have moved to Dundrum ROad, junction with Bird Ave - not sure if the new place is open yet.

Must be the new cafe heaven, that area. Our local, the HX46 beside the Hospice, opened a new Taney branch a few months ago, and is coining it up there from all reports.

Kaisr Sose · 22-04-2017 10:09AM

magicbastarder wrote: »

i probably didn't explain myself well enough.
with a red light camera, you don't want people not to know about it and get caught (which was the original premise); you want people to know about it and *not* get caught. because of compliance.

If the goal is to get people to slow down or stop running lights detection works both ways. Prevention by signage or prevention by learned behaviour after the fact (eg fixed penalty/points) = same outcome.

I don't really care how it happens once it happens– but it won't happen until the technology and enforcement is deployed.

CramCycle · 22-04-2017 11:49AM

Kaisr Sose wrote: »

The goal is to get people to slow down or stop running lights detection works both way. Prevention by signage or prevention by learned behaviour after the fact (eg fixed penalty/points) = same outcome.

I don't really care how it happens once it happens? but it won't happen until the technology and enforcement is deployed.

I don't think the signage works, might heighten senses but like the speed camera it becomes a learned behaviour.

I feel that swift upgrading of a number of lights with no publicly known locations means that when the fines come out, a majority of people thanks to social media will stop running reds immediately. If you notify people, they learn quick enough where you can and can't do it.

Kaisr Sose · 22-04-2017 12:20PM

CramCycle wrote: »

I don't think the signage works, might heighten senses but like the speed camera it becomes a learned behaviour.

My post should have started with 'If'. However, I am not a fan of signage as an ultimate deterrent. In the absence of effective policing and penalties, they are not effective.

My anology on this:

If for example, somebody decides to rob a bank, they do so because they don't think they will get caught. If they knew there were Garda in there waiting, they would not do it. A sign saying 'Don't rob banks' is not going to deter opportunism. Same on the roads. People speed because they don't think it will be detected and run red lights for the same reason.

ED E · 22-04-2017 02:15PM

LpPepper wrote: »

Wow.... Deliberate or a lapse of concentration?....

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1402233933167390&id=100001423892001

Whoa, I would have had a coronary after that.

Chuchote · 22-04-2017 05:08PM

LpPepper wrote: »

Wow.... Deliberate or a lapse of concentration?....

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1402233933167390&id=100001423892001

Since the truck comes right across the white line, straight at the cyclist, it doesn't look like a lapse.

dixiefly · 22-04-2017 05:18PM

I drive in Dublin Monday to Friday.

I would say somewhere between 80 and 90% of cyclists routinely break red lights. I am not interested in getting into a debate about it. Just saying as i see it. I say a lunatic cyclist breaking the red light at Hanlon's Corner cycling towards Stoneybatter last week and then outside one bus, cut in front of it and then inside the next one.

Of course there are lunatic drivers out there, more often on the motorways rather than the average road in the city.

But this is about cyclist safety and i am of the opinion that there should be a confiscation policy put into law regarding cyclists breaking red lights. have a plain clothes policeman standing at a pedestrian light and take details / take photo of the cyclists when the break the lights and then have a colleague lined up to impound the bike down the road.

Maybe this is unworkable but something is needed as a deterrent to yclists breaking red lights.

amcalester · 22-04-2017 05:21PM

dixiefly wrote: »

I drive in Dublin Monday to Friday.

I would say somewhere between 80 and 90% of cyclists routinely break red lights. I am not interested in getting into a debate about it. Just saying as i see it. I say a lunatic cyclist breaking the red light at Hanlon's Corner cycling towards Stoneybatter last week and then outside one bus, cut in front of it and then inside the next one.

Of course there are lunatic drivers out there, more often on the motorways rather than the average road in the city.

But this is about cyclist safety and i am of the opinion that there should be a confiscation policy put into law regarding cyclists breaking red lights. have a plain clothes policeman standing at a pedestrian light and take details / take photo of the cyclists when the break the lights and then have a colleague lined up to impound the bike down the road.

Maybe this is unworkable but something is needed as a deterrent to yclists breaking red lights.

Very interesting but what has this to do with motorists dangerously overtaking cyclists? Any thoughts on that?

magicbastarder · 22-04-2017 05:22PM

dixiefly wrote: »

I am not interested in getting into a debate about it.

then why post about it?

Tenzor07 · 22-04-2017 05:29PM

dixiefly wrote: »

But this is about cyclist safety and i am of the opinion that there should be a confiscation policy put into law regarding cyclists breaking red lights. have a plain clothes policeman standing at a pedestrian light and take details / take photo of the cyclists when the break the lights and then have a colleague lined up to impound the bike down the road.

Maybe this is unworkable but something is needed as a deterrent to yclists breaking red lights.

A Garda on each traffic light in the city.. yes.. I think the Gardai definitely have the manpower for this..

Having Gardai in cars and with speed cameras hasn't deterred casual speeding and red light breaking by people in motor vehicles has it now?

amcalester · 22-04-2017 05:33PM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

A Garda on each traffic light in the city.. yes.. I think the Gardai definitely have the manpower for this..

Having Gardai in cars and with speed cameras hasn't deterred casual speeding and red light breaking by people in motor vehicles has it now?

I commute 21k from South County Dublin to Citywest and I see more motorists break red lights than cyclists.

I'm sure that poster would support confiscating cars as well as bikes?

shootermacg · 22-04-2017 05:55PM

Can't argue with the observation though. I would say 80% of cyclists breaking straight ahead red lights sounds about right, at least on my commute.

I'm totally in favour of camera systems being installed, it would certainly add some much needed cash to the exchequer and penalty points for the cars and bikes. Breaking the law should indeed be punished.

We could get a team actuaries to calculate the fine amounts based on realistic relative parameters, such as momentum, potential to do damage etc.

Consider this:

I'm jogging and I crash into someone, should I be subject to a fine?

I'm on a bike that adds 8kg of mass and I crash into someone at the same speed as the jogger, should I be subject to a fine?

I'm driving a car, doing the same speed as the jogger and I drive through someone killing them instantly, should I now pay a fine or is it manslaughter?

Duckjob · 22-04-2017 06:03PM

A court needs to take that lorry drivers licence off him and and post it to the moon.

Tenzor07 · 22-04-2017 06:12PM

shootermacg wrote: »

Consider this:
I'm jogging and I crash into someone, should I be subject to a fine?

No, but you should go to specsavers instead!

robyntmorton · 22-04-2017 06:13PM

dixiefly wrote: »

I drive in Dublin Monday to Friday.

I would say somewhere between 80 and 90% of cyclists routinely break red lights. I am not interested in getting into a debate about it. Just saying as i see it. I say a lunatic cyclist breaking the red light at Hanlon's Corner cycling towards Stoneybatter last week and then outside one bus, cut in front of it and then inside the next one.

The whole "I am not interested in getting into a debate about it" thing tells me one of two things:

1) You're talking out of your arse, and don't want us to pull you up on it, or
2) You believe as a motorist what you say is the truth, and nobody can tell you otherwise.

Sorry, that's not going to wash. You come onto a forum on boards called "cycling", badmouth all cyclists with your claim, and don't want to debate it. How about this: Back up your claims, or withdraw them. By backing up your claim, I don't mean "I saw it", I mean provide reports, documents, something to say that this happens to that extent with some degree of regularity.

Nobody here is going to disagree with you that there are some lunatics on bikes. Everyone here has their own story to tell about that. But for you to say that effectively all cyclists are dangerous is utter crap. I've said it before on this thread, we all remember the bad ones (motorist, cyclist or whatever) but nobody ever remembers the good ones, who just go about their drive or cycle, and effectively blend in to the background of other peoples journeys. Not that they're not seen, but that they're unremarkable.

Kaisr Sose · 22-04-2017 06:46PM

dixiefly wrote: »

I drive in Dublin Monday to Friday.

I would say somewhere between 80 and 90% of cyclists routinely break red lights. I am not interested in getting into a debate about it. Just saying as i see it. I say a lunatic cyclist breaking the red light at Hanlon's Corner cycling towards Stoneybatter last week and then outside one bus, cut in front of it and then inside the next one.

Of course there are lunatic drivers out there, more often on the motorways rather than the average road in the city.

But this is about cyclist safety and i am of the opinion that there should be a confiscation policy put into law regarding cyclists breaking red lights. have a plain clothes policeman standing at a pedestrian light and take details / take photo of the cyclists when the break the lights and then have a colleague lined up to impound the bike down the road.

Maybe this is unworkable but something is needed as a deterrent to yclists breaking red lights.

Nonsense...

groovyg · 22-04-2017 07:27PM

ED E wrote: »

Whoa, I would have had a coronary after that.

Saw that posted to the Dublin cycling campaign Facebook page earlier and the some of the comments under the story are enough to give me a coronary https://www.facebook.com/dublincycling/
F****ing hell people who call themselves 'cyclists' saying they should be cycling single file and cycling as close as possible to the side of the road. Do they not realise this only makes motorists do stupid and risky overtaking manoeuvres :mad:

ItsLikeThis · 22-04-2017 08:09PM

groovyg wrote: »

Saw that posted to the Dublin cycling campaign Facebook page earlier and the some of the comments under the story are enough to give me a coronary https://www.facebook.com/dublincycling/
F****ing hell people who call themselves 'cyclists' saying they should be cycling single file and cycling as close as possible to the side of the road. Do they not realise this only makes motorists do stupid and risky overtaking manoeuvres :mad:

It's shocking the amount of people blaming the cyclist in the various posts on facebook.

Pinch Flat · 22-04-2017 08:20PM

Weepsie wrote: »

There's one woman in particular who i really taking the p!ss. Claiming they're on the wrong side, shouldn't be 2 abreast, the usual crap. Her claims are being easily dismissed so she returns with "advice" unrelated to it anything that actually happens in the video.

This is something that happens a lot. Advice to cyclists that has nothing to do with any actual events.

Motorists seem to think it's their place to advise cyclists. What to wear where to cycle where not to cycle.

I think it's even sadder that people seek out niche facebook pages like the Dublin cycling campaign to air these one sided views.

Danjamin1 · 22-04-2017 09:26PM

Roadhawk wrote: »

But its still illegal, and should be summons accordingly !!!

Why does it always boil down to how many deaths are directly caused from an offense. Thats like saying that cars using bus lanes is not really an issue because it doesn't directly cause fatality... only that its annoying for some road users? Yet if a gard sees a car in a bus lane you can guarantee its dealt with.

If there is an offense committed then it should be acted upon.

Not always, I've seen a Garda car driving behind cars in the bus lane during hours of operation and no one being pulled over

magicbastarder · 22-04-2017 09:29PM

Weepsie wrote: »

There's one woman in particular who i really taking the p!ss. Claiming they're on the wrong side, shouldn't be 2 abreast, the usual crap.

if you mean that linds person, that's a bloke.

Andy Magic · 22-04-2017 09:36PM

I've given up cycling to work in dublin city centre, it's just too dangerous. There is so much hate towards cyclists at the moment.

magicbastarder · 22-04-2017 09:39PM

groovyg wrote: »

F****ing hell people who call themselves 'cyclists' saying they should be cycling single file and cycling as close as possible to the side of the road.

yeah, that was a surprise. including the guy doling out that advice who admitted he only ever cycles on suburban roads as rural roads are too dangerous.

Chuchote · 22-04-2017 09:43PM

Andy Magic wrote: »

I've given up cycling to work in dublin city centre, it's just too dangerous. There is so much hate towards cyclists at the moment.

And why is that? Dimwitted radio jocks spewing hatred.

Kaisr Sose · 22-04-2017 09:50PM

Chuchote wrote: »

And why is that? Dimwitted radio jocks spewing hatred.

Steady on there. You don't know anything about this poster. They could have a young family depending on them, a huge mortgage. I know you campaign for cyclists safety but you have to respect the mature decisions of others, even if you don't agree with them.
I posted a detailed account of an incident I had last Thursday and while I like cycling a lot, I thought twice about it on Friday morning.

Beasty · 22-04-2017 11:09PM

Anyone else starting to discuss red light jumping or otherwise trying to change the topic into a discussion of cyclist behaviour can expect mod action

Any questions PM me

DanDublin1982 · 22-04-2017 11:15PM

Andy Magic wrote: »

I've given up cycling to work in dublin city centre, it's just too dangerous. There is so much hate towards cyclists at the moment.

I'm genuinely interested if it was something specific that caused you to give it up. I have altered my own route into the city and stick to the canal and cycle/bus lanes wherever possible so I get it, but it would really take something drastic to make me give up the bike.

Chuchote · 22-04-2017 11:30PM

Kaisr Sose wrote: »

Steady on there. You don't know anything about this poster. They could have a young family depending on them, a huge mortgage. I know you campaign for cyclists safety but you have to respect the mature decisions of others, even if you don't agree with them.
I posted a detailed account of an incident I had last Thursday and while I like cycling a lot, I thought twice about it on Friday morning.

Of course I respect the person's decision! I absolutely respect it and did not say or mean anything at all to suggest that I did not!

No, I was saying that the reason the roads have become perceptibly more dangerous is that some - some, not many, but enough to be dangerous - are listening to the radio jocks.

I don't campaign. I have opinions. That's different.

Thinkingaboutit · 22-04-2017 11:34PM

I drove the last two days of last week, so I hope no shock on my return to daily bike commuting. I expect the usual near misses, some by careless people not wanting to wait for space to aggressive efforts to intimidate. Not much that can be done. A person can be careful, and keep cool.

Near misses - mod warning 22/04 - see OP/post 822

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