Rescue 116 Crash at Blackrock, Co Mayo(Mod note in post 1)

TomOnBoard · 12-04-2017 11:11PM

Everyone who's interested is awaiting developments I'd say

Steve · 12-04-2017 11:12PM

Bazzy wrote: »

Its a bit eerie and or sad how quiet this thread has become

Yes.

Not unexpected though. The gutter media have lost interest but we have not.

smurfjed · 12-04-2017 11:14PM

ted1 · 13-04-2017 12:29PM

Have they actually recovered the main fuselage ? Seemed very little was on the back of the truck

cabledude · 13-04-2017 07:24PM

Storm 10 wrote: »

Great to see Rescue 116 is now operational again

https://rnli.org/news-and-media/2017/april/11/skerries-rnli-rescue-swimmer-in-difficulty-at-shenick-island

I thought they might 'retire' the 116 call sign as a mark of respect. Go out to rescue 119.

Storm 10 · 13-04-2017 07:29PM

cabledude wrote: »

I thought they might 'retire' the 116 call sign as a mark of respect. Go out to rescue 119.

Best way to remember them is to use their call sign, it will always remind people of what happened

...And Justice · 13-04-2017 08:30PM

Storm 10 wrote: »

Best way to remember them is to use their call sign, it will always remind people of what happened

True that, I'd forgotten about R111 until this thread was started.

Comhrá · 13-04-2017 08:37PM

"Downed Rescue 116 'pitched up rapidly' in final seconds before striking terrain, preliminary report reveals"

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/downed-rescue-116-pitched-up-rapidly-in-final-seconds-before-striking-terrain-preliminary-report-reveals-35621566.html

Stheno · 13-04-2017 08:37PM

The preliminary report is out

Says the craft pitched up in final seconds and impacted with terrain

What does pitched up mean?

This is from the indo

elastico · 13-04-2017 08:40PM

Comhra wrote: »

"Downed Rescue 116 'pitched up rapidly' in final seconds before striking terrain, preliminary report reveals"

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/downed-rescue-116-pitched-up-rapidly-in-final-seconds-before-striking-terrain-preliminary-report-reveals-35621566.html

Is BLKMO blacksod or blackrock?

I'd wait to see the actual report rather than the Indo version o events.

Call me Al · 13-04-2017 08:40PM

Does it mean the nose lifted and the tail dropped?

Wise Old Elf · 13-04-2017 08:41PM

It's not up (yet) on the aaiu website.

The journal.ie has a similar story with a brief CVR transcript from the last few seconds of flight

Uriel. · 13-04-2017 08:43PM

Yeah an article with four lines of text and "more to follow"

They couldn't wait to do a proper write up, no, they had to announce the transcript of some Of the last few words of the crew

Sickening shower of w@nkers if that's the type of respect they show

January · 13-04-2017 08:44PM

'We're gone': Final words of R116 crew released in preliminary report http://jrnl.ie/3340583

Call me Al · 13-04-2017 08:44PM

Wise Old Elf wrote: »

It's not up (yet) on the aaiu website.

The journal.ie has a similar story with a brief CVR transcript from the last few seconds of flight

The independent has an article just now. It is hard to read.

P.lane78 · 13-04-2017 08:44PM

Sickening , sensationalism ...No facts what so ever

zuutroy · 13-04-2017 08:45PM

Times are running it too.

Oscar Bravo · 13-04-2017 08:48PM

http://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0413/867658-blacksod-investigation/

Stheno · 13-04-2017 08:51PM

Oscar Bravo wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0413/867658-blacksod-investigation/

Jesus.

elastico · 13-04-2017 08:51PM

Oscar Bravo wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0413/867658-blacksod-investigation/

None the wiser based on that. Nothing so far that we hadn't heard about before.

Uriel. · 13-04-2017 08:51PM

There's some difference between the way Rte have presented this "news" compared to the approach taken by the journal. Says it all really.

Wise Old Elf · 13-04-2017 08:53PM

RTE news app gave me a link to the preliminary report on aaiu.ie
Will try to link it but on the phone...

Edit: try this.
https://static.rasset.ie/documents/news/preliminary-report-2017-006.pdf

Biggest lickspittle on boardz · 13-04-2017 08:53PM

Based on the evidence supplied, I think we can be in no doubt now. This was CFIT, and all the emotions in the world aren't going to deny it. It was an error by a highly trained, outstanding crew, doing an exceptional job in extremely dangerous circumstances.

This doesn't for one moment take away from the achievements and successful missions that the crew of R116 made. We don't do them any justice by trying to downplay what happened. It was an accident, no more and no less. We've all been affected by the tragedy in one way or another, whether we knew the crew or not-they felt like family all the same. I pray we can recover the remaining crew members and give them back to their families.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/rescue-116-pitched-up-rapidly-before-crashing-into-island-1.3048070

Big Nasty · 13-04-2017 08:56PM

Human error alright, but not by the crew.

Steve · 13-04-2017 08:58PM

Here's the report:

https://us.v-cdn.net/6034073/uploads/attachments/61898/414561.pdf

Please don't speculate on anything that is not covered.

I haven't read it yet.

elastico · 13-04-2017 08:58PM

Big Nasty wrote: »

Human error alright, but not by the crew.

How do you make that out?

They were flying at 200ft when they should have been flying at ~3000ft.

TomOnBoard · 13-04-2017 08:59PM

Biggest lickspittle on boardz wrote: »

Based on the evidence supplied, I think we can be in no doubt now. This was CFIT, and all the emotions in the world aren't going to deny it. It was an error by a highly trained, outstanding crew, doing an exceptional job in extremely dangerous circumstances.

This doesn't for one moment take away from the achievements and successful missions that the crew of R116 made. We don't do them any justice by trying to downplay what happened. It was an accident, no more and no less. We've all been affected by the tragedy in one way or another, whether we knew the crew or not-they felt like family all the same. I pray we can recover the remaining crew members and give them back to their families.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/rescue-116-pitched-up-rapidly-before-crashing-into-island-1.3048070

Error by crew is NOT what the Times report is saying...

That report says:
"
The report details how aircraft relies on an Enhanced Ground Proximity Warning System (EGPWS) to detect obstacles, providing a visual and audio alert to the pilot.

â€œThe EGPWS provides the flight crew (subject to the display selections made) with a display of the helicopter position relative to the databases of surrounding terrain and obstacles. If the EGPWS detects that the helicopter is, or will come into, conflict with database terrain or obstacle(s), it will provide a combination of annunciator lights, colour display(s) and aural alerts to the pilot.â€

The report continues: â€œIn relation to Black Rock and its Lighthouse the EGPWS manufacturer informed the Investigation that â€˜The lighthouse obstacle is not in the obstacle database and the terrain of the island is not in our terrain databaseâ€™.â€

That suggests to me that the crew relied on EGPWS and it was devoid of info on Blackrock.?

Skuxx · 13-04-2017 09:00PM

elastico wrote: »

How do you make that out?

They were flying at 200ft when they should have been flying at ~3000ft.

Who says they should have been flying at 3000ft?

Biggest lickspittle on boardz · 13-04-2017 09:02PM

TomOnBoard wrote: »

Error by crew is NOT what the Times report is saying...

That report says:
"
The report details how aircraft relies on an Enhanced Ground Proximity Warning System (EGPWS) to detect obstacles, providing a visual and audio alert to the pilot.

â€œThe EGPWS provides the flight crew (subject to the display selections made) with a display of the helicopter position relative to the databases of surrounding terrain and obstacles. If the EGPWS detects that the helicopter is, or will come into, conflict with database terrain or obstacle(s), it will provide a combination of annunciator lights, colour display(s) and aural alerts to the pilot.Ã¢â‚¬

The report continues: â€œIn relation to Black Rock and its Lighthouse the EGPWS manufacturer informed the Investigation that â€˜The lighthouse obstacle is not in the obstacle database and the terrain of the island is not in our terrain databaseâ€™.Ã¢â‚¬

That suggests to me that the crew relied on EGPWS and it was devoid of info on Blackrock.?

Yes I acknowledge the EGPWS did not contain data on Black Rock and lighthouse, however the crew picked up the island and communicated to the PIC to take action to avoid it. There appears to have been a delay in carrying out the heading change. But the crew were certainly aware that the island was approaching. Here is the exact transcript:

Rear Crew Channel: K, looking at an island just in, directly ahead of us now guys, you want to come right
[Commanders Name]

Rear Crew Channel: Come right now. come right. COME RIGHT.
Smoke in baggage.
Co-pilot:[Expletive] OOOHHHH [Expletive].
Co-pilot Were gone.

Steve · 13-04-2017 09:03PM

The report is 39 pages, speculation is starting already.

I'm closing this for an hour so that we can all read it and then make informed comments.

Again the report is here:

https://static.rasset.ie/documents/news/preliminary-report-2017-006.pdf

or here:

https://us.v-cdn.net/6034073/uploads/attachments/61898/414561.pdf

Rescue 116 Crash at Blackrock, Co Mayo(Mod note in post 1)

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