Better Call Saul Spoilers

Sexual Chocolate · 12-04-2017 09:16AM

chops018 wrote: »

Right after I hit post I said in my head that someone will probably knock me on that. :P

Of course, it is boards after all.

Was a slow episode but I did enjoy it. I too was a bit lost with the petrol cap tracker part after Mike discovered it.

Jan_de_Bakker · 12-04-2017 09:21AM

Sexual Chocolate wrote: »

Of course, it is boards after all.

Was a slow episode but I did enjoy it. I too was a bit lost with the petrol cap tracker part after Mike discovered it.

The thing that confused me was the radio, then I was thinking it was transmitting audio and he was fooling it ... didn't realise it was just to drain the battery.

RobbingBandit · 12-04-2017 09:59AM

Kim thinking of making errors purposefully to make Chuck look less of an idiot. She knows there is more to that story and deep down feels responsible is the feeling I'm getting from that scene. Jimmy with the receding hairline in the flash forward scene stood out for me he's got a lot more hair as a lawyer than a store manager.

Penn · 12-04-2017 10:11AM

Only thing I didn't like was the navy captain guy. Over acted to the point that he looked and sounded like he was about to cry at any moment.

De Bhál · 12-04-2017 11:19AM

Penn wrote: »

Only thing I didn't like was the navy captain guy. Over acted to the point that he looked and sounded like he was about to cry at any moment.

Strange scene alright - I actually thought he looked a lot like Tom Cruise from Top Gun

Great episode, loved the whole transmitter story. Mike is a class character, just filming him sitting there eating nuts by the window was better viweing than the whole first season of Designated Survivor.

jooksavage · 12-04-2017 11:35AM

De BhÃ¡l wrote: »

Strange scene alright - I actually thought he looked a lot like Tom Cruise from Top Gun

Great episode, loved the whole transmitter story. Mike is a class character, just filming him sitting there eating nuts by the window was better viweing than the whole first season of Designated Survivor.

Yeah, Mike is great. His ending in BB is all the sadder when you take in his backstory in BCS.

I hope we don't have to wait a full season to catch up with present-day Jimmy. I assume we're working up to something more than a fatal heart-attack at Cinnebon.

Tabnabs · 12-04-2017 11:40AM

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

Would love to see Ernesto do a Keyser Soze and start walking down the street, shake off that nerd image, light a cigarette and get picked up in a cool car.

Ernesto already drives an EVO8, hardly a nerdmobile... :pac:

Anyone else notice the really loud background noise? The early scenes with Chuck and Jimmy as well as Jimmy with Kim in their offices during the day. It was like they had another microphone specifically picking up street noise? I found it a bit off-putting.

Cloudio9 · 12-04-2017 12:01PM

jooksavage wrote: »

I hope we don't have to wait a full season to catch up with present-day Jimmy. I assume we're working up to something more than a fatal heart-attack at Cinnebon.

I predict he finds some avenue to work in some legal-related area and the world changes from black & white to colour.....just like the wizard of Oz!

expectationlost · 12-04-2017 12:33PM

deafroadrunner wrote: »

Because it's quicker and less suspicious.

and very convenient for the story

dinorebel · 12-04-2017 12:54PM

Rumour is that Ernesto is Gus's son.

-=al=- · 12-04-2017 01:02PM

Holy smokes!

Well that may explain the car and his similar-ish mannerism

gormdubhgorm · 12-04-2017 01:09PM

Penn wrote: »

Only thing I didn't like was the navy captain guy. Over acted to the point that he looked and sounded like he was about to cry at any moment.

I think this is done on purpose -
That mad Breaking Bad Colour wheel
http://breakingbad.wikia.com/wiki/Color

Blue = Symbolism: Loyalty, power, sadness, purity, water, sky, coldness

In the Navy captain's case the blue he was wearing means loyalty and purity.

I think it was over-egged on purpose, to show how sincere and pure he was, in contrast to Jimmy.

Also the office that Jimmy and Kim share is painted yellow with green on the jambs of the door.

Yellow = Symbolism: Methamphetamine, optimism, pleasure, caution, cowardice, fear, pseudo-toughness

Green = Greed, money, growth, envy

The "Always on the high horse!" comment from jimmy is supposedly meant to be Jimmy thinking of Chuck

According to Telegraph reviewer-
https://uk.style.yahoo.com/better-call-saul-season-3-070000106.html

I also could not help but notice that Jimmy stopped painting and left half of the rainbow on the wall.
I am sure some genius can give a better explanation of that then me!?

gormdubhgorm · 12-04-2017 01:11PM

dinorebel wrote: »

Rumour is that Ernesto is Gus's son.

Jayus that is a great call.

Cloudio9 · 12-04-2017 01:47PM

expectationlost wrote: »

and very convenient for the story

Not really. It would be sloppy and unprofessional for a pro criminal to fiddle around in the dark outside Mike's house taking the petrol cap apart to change the battery. Swapping the whole thing takes a few seconds and also eliminates the possibility of there being some other fault with the sensor.

Will I Am Not · 12-04-2017 04:26PM

dinorebel wrote: »

Rumour is that Ernesto is Gus's son.

Seems like the most obvious thing in the world when you read it but never crossed my mind :pac:

Kunkka · 12-04-2017 06:33PM

Cloudio9 wrote: »

On the face of if she's completely paranoid about making a typo and messing up her big clients application for a banking license.

But maybe I'm missing something more subtle.

I think there is more to it. Just a good bit of emphasis on it, seemed to me she was doing something dodgey

pickarooney · 12-04-2017 10:36PM

Tabnabs wrote: »

Ernesto already drives an EVO8, hardly a nerdmobile... :pac:

Anyone else notice the really loud background noise? The early scenes with Chuck and Jimmy as well as Jimmy with Kim in their offices during the day. It was like they had another microphone specifically picking up street noise? I found it a bit off-putting.

I kept fiddling with my headphones thinking they were on the way out.

take everything · 13-04-2017 01:01AM

Penn wrote: »

Only thing I didn't like was the navy captain guy. Over acted to the point that he looked and sounded like he was about to cry at any moment.

That was a strange scene.
Kinda fizzled out. I'm sure it has significance.

rubadub · 13-04-2017 09:54AM

dinorebel wrote: »

Rumour is that Ernesto is Gus's son.

dunno if that really requires spoilers, but anyway.

I think he is far too black to be his son, would be a very strange choice of actor, unless his mother is supposed to be extremely black. If he had a son, who was a lawyer you would think it would have been at least referenced in BB. This is only 6 years before, if he ends up killed in BCS it also would likely have been referenced in BB.

It seems obvious to me that Gus will be in contact with Mike, and this is how Saul will have known about him, when putting Walt in touch with Gus Saul says something like he "knows a guy, who knows a guy, who knows a guy...". Would be a strange coincidence for Saul to have been buddies with his son too.

I thought Chucks plan was to have the tape played or somehow made known to the former clients, they would possibly ditch Kim leaving her hating Saul. I guess he thinks Ernesto might inform Saul.

I like the car dismantling scene, but wondered why he would not have some sort of scanner thing, sure even James Bond had one in the 60's

deafroadrunner · 13-04-2017 10:54AM

rubadub wrote: »

I like the car dismantling scene, but wondered why he would not have some sort of scanner thing, sure even James Bond had one in the 60's

He probably does but the car wasnt his. Was Only going to be used for the kill so More likely was Robbed or bought cheap. So he was only going to bring what he needed for the kill. Toolbox was either already in the car and he's keeping it or it was the scrap yard.

johnpatrick81 · 13-04-2017 01:15PM

I love it, and didn't want it to end, but I really hope we get some movement this season on SAUL. If they slow ball it with Chuck playing mind games all season I think it'll suffer. At the end of last season I think most of us thought "ok that's it, no coming back from that one Jimmy".

But now we hear the tape is worthless, so have to wait and see what Chuck has planned by drip feeding the info to Ernesto.

It's a cut above most tv but I do think it needs to be careful of crossing the "milking it for all it's worth" line.

Jan_de_Bakker · 13-04-2017 01:42PM

johnpatrick81 wrote: »

I love it, and didn't want it to end, but I really hope we get some movement this season on SAUL. If they slow ball it with Chuck playing mind games all season I think it'll suffer. At the end of last season I think most of us thought "ok that's it, no coming back from that one Jimmy".

But now we hear the tape is worthless, so have to wait and see what Chuck has planned by drip feeding the info to Ernesto.

It's a cut above most tv but I do think it needs to be careful of crossing the "milking it for all it's worth" line.

Exactly, the chuck arc needs to end ASAP, and Gus needs to get into it .

I just hope Gus isn't left untill late on in the season - which I fear will be ..

rubadub · 13-04-2017 01:59PM

deafroadrunner wrote: »

He probably does but the car wasnt his. Was Only going to be used for the kill so More likely was Robbed or bought cheap.

Yeah, it looked like a clapped out banger, but I was thinking more of his time, he appeared to be working on it for hours.

I can see there are devices to do it, so not just a "james bond invention"

http://www.brickhousesecurity.com/category/counter+surveillance/gps+detectors.do

or if he did not have one would go to some lad with one, he doesn't appear short of cash. But it made for a great scene all the same.

I was not clear to me what happened with the vet guy, it looked like Mike wrote down the model number of the tracker and asked him to get one. Was this supposed to be an identical coded replica, rather than one of the same model?

I am guessing it was, otherwise why not just enter the code into google and buy one himself. I also guess its a perfect replica otherwise if the guys who planted it stick a new battery in it would not work on their scanner.

I see the scripts here
http://www.springfieldspringfield.co.uk/episode_scripts.php?tv-show=better-call-saul-2015

[Car door shuts] 3:30 in the morning? Seriously? [Paper rustling] You get me that? [Sighs] I don't know. - It's a real thing? - Yeah. Then, yeah. I know someone who can get it. - How much? - [Scoffs] What do I look like RadioShack? It's gonna cost you whatever it costs me, plus my end. Well, let's start with that. Normally, be about $500, but seeing that this is an after-hours house call, let's make it a grand. Hey, how's the pup? Doing okay? Yeah. She's not being left alone all day, is she? - She's got plenty of company. - Good. Hey, uh, this is gonna take me a few days, so I'll let you know. And next time, let's try to make business happen during business hours.

scamalert · 13-04-2017 02:21PM

Its obvious that Gus wont come out easy, from promos seems similar scenario like Wault was sitting in the dinner all day before approaching him imagine happening maybe before closing credits, if they push it slow.
Since we know that Gus has his own revenge on Hector form BB series and how careful he was with cartel, thus no surprise he prevented Mike from sniping him out since that would draw attention on Gus as main target, as story line goes.

Francesco at end of s02 said he called Jimmy and when he asked why he lied he said he was his friend, so seems Chuck has that figured out, and using him as bait since he mentions its private and his job on the line if it was to get out.

But Chuck has still a lot of backstory as seen in season two there was scene where he was all fine with his wife ? and Jimmy coming over for dinner,blaming him on fathers debt and death,and then their mother dying and last words were Jimmy which chuck was mad to hear.

So while Saul is been tried to make look bad for cutting corners i think them gaps if filled actually will provide Chuck being wrong and always blaming Jimmy, either before or after Jimmy loses it and goes to fry Chucks brain somehow.

Think pilot entering his office was funny scene, but its the words that wheel will turn on you, i think that was the message coming to Jimmy for him doing things his way that was implied whats to come for his actions.

jcsoulinger · 13-04-2017 02:23PM

rubadub wrote: »

Yeah, it looked like a clapped out banger, but I was thinking more of his time, he appeared to be working on it for hours.

I can see there are devices to do it, so not just a "james bond invention"

http://www.brickhousesecurity.com/category/counter+surveillance/gps+detectors.do

I am guessing it was, otherwise why not just enter the code into google and buy one himself. I also guess its a perfect replica otherwise if the guys who planted it stick a new battery in it would not work on their scanner.

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I'm not sure about this, if they were both transmitting the same frequency then when he turned on the monitor he should be getting 2 red dots on the screen.

scamalert · 13-04-2017 02:36PM

its simpler then that, once you see the case once Mike gets it, and its almost if not military grade device.he wanted same model since he went out straight away after them,thus whoever puts new batteries in it will see they got tricked.

13-04-2017 02:45PM

RobbingBandit wrote: »

Kim thinking of making errors purposefully to make Chuck look less of an idiot. She knows there is more to that story and deep down feels responsible is the feeling I'm getting from that scene. Jimmy with the receding hairline in the flash forward scene stood out for me he's got a lot more hair as a lawyer than a store manager.

That's what I got from Kim during that scene too. From Kim talking to Paige at Mesa Verde beforehand, it's clear that HHM's previously golden reputation has taken a hit and is a bit of a laughing stock in business circles.

Kim is ambitious, but more than that she has a finely tuned moral compass. Winning Mesa Verde's business the way she did isn't sitting well with Kim. Add to that the fact that now her former employers' reputation took a hit because of it, of course she not only feels responsible but also indebted to them for her part in their current situation.

To someone like Jimmy, the deed was no problem and if Jimmy is having trouble sleeping at night, it has nothing to do with HHM's problems (unless they will affect Jimmy). Kim is different, sure she has the Mesa Verde contract and maybe should look forward now rather than back, but she can't do that.

Kim isn't going to go to Mesa Verde about Jimmy's scheme which landed her the contract - To be honest, if she thought she was only harming herself in doing that, I think she would tell them. The fact that she knows it will be the end of Jimmy too means that somehow she can't do that to him - Anyway, Kim won't directly own up to help HHM, but I can still see her trying to help HHM spare their blushes in any way that she innocently can.

In that scene with her being indecisive at the computer, I think she was contemplating putting a typo into her own document. Why? To show that HHM aren't totally incompetent as a firm, and mistakes can happen among expert professionals.

Now, of course this doesn't cover for Chuck freaking out in court last season about how adamant he was that he hadn't made a mistake, but it helps the HHM firm overall IMO. Chuck's aggressive plea can be explained with a "You know Chuck, he's had issues for years" but HHG's reputation from before the mistake could be restored.

But if Kim inserted a typo to her own documents, would she not be running the risk of losing Mesa Verde's business herself? 1) Maybe she feels that MV wouldn't go to the bother of changing representation, yet again, or 2) Kim was obviously very torn in that scene, maybe she didn't care if it meant losing their business but felt that what she was trying to accomplish was worth the risk.

Anyway, great episode, I'm very happy to have this show back.

ILikeBoats · 13-04-2017 02:51PM

So...the trackers.
Mike wanted to run the battery dead so the guys come and switch it. What if they just switched the battery and not the tracker?
Also, I don't believe that they can just swap trackers like that. Surely each one is unique? Would all trackers not show up on the mapping device?
Maybe I'm just being pedantic!

De Bhál · 13-04-2017 03:02PM

ILikeBoats wrote: »

So...the trackers.
Mike wanted to run the battery dead so the guys come and switch it. What if they just switched the battery and not the tracker?
Also, I don't believe that they can just swap trackers like that. Surely each one is unique? Would all trackers not show up on the mapping device?
Maybe I'm just being pedantic!

as said earlier, it's quicker to switch the petrol cap than switch the battery. Look how long it takes to take the cover off the petrol cap, you can't be at that craic on the side of the road

jcsoulinger · 13-04-2017 03:03PM

ILikeBoats wrote: »

So...the trackers.
Mike wanted to run the battery dead so the guys come and switch it. What if they just switched the battery and not the tracker?
Also, I don't believe that they can just swap trackers like that. Surely each one is unique? Would all trackers not show up on the mapping device?
Maybe I'm just being pedantic!

They could have just changed the battery but He guessed that they would probably swap out the whole tracker, It makes allot more sense as swapping the caps would only take a few seconds as swapping the battery would take alot longer.

The monitor will only track the trackers it's programmed to track.

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