Jan and Klodi's Party Bus - part II off topic discussion

Chuchote · 27-03-2017 11:09PM

Fun family cycling demo next Sunday from the Phoenix Park, supporting the Liffey cycleway - and presumably looking for safe and protected cycleways throughout the city and country. Meet at the Wellington Testimonial at 11am.

RobertFoster · 28-03-2017 12:52AM

Anyone cut through Connolly Hospital on a regular basis by bike? I normally do if I'm coming from the Phoenix Park/Castleknock as I find it handier than waiting for the lights on the Snugborough road (nice little ramp too).

There's a painted on cycle track through the grounds, and the parking barrier at the Waterville exit was short enough to allow a cyclist on the track to pass through. The barrier was missing a few days ago, but it was back today spanning the full road. I had to dismount and squeeze by.

With the track and gap I'd assumed cycle through traffic was encouraged (they stopped cars doing so a few years ago). Perhaps no longer

ThisRegard · 28-03-2017 08:24AM

I use the route through the adjacent park instead, entering it at the bridge and exiting near the roundabout at Waterville, you do potentially have to dismount at the exit though with the gates.

When I did go through the hospital I was sure that the short barrier was for the reasons you outlined, to allow cyclists continue on through on the cycle lane.

manafana · 29-03-2017 11:31AM

anyone paid the tenner for veloviewer? its a good site but wondering are metrics interesting enough to pop in a tenner?

Alek · 29-03-2017 11:48AM

I did. Much more bang for the buck than Strava pro in regards to data, in fact so much I use perhaps 5% of it...

Wishbone Ash · 29-03-2017 11:49AM

manafana wrote: »

anyone paid the tenner for veloviewer? its a good site but wondering are metrics interesting enough to pop in a tenner?

I do - small fee in fairness (It's a tenner Sterling btw).

bp_me · 29-03-2017 02:09PM

manafana wrote: »

anyone paid the tenner for veloviewer? its a good site but wondering are metrics interesting enough to pop in a tenner?

Yup. Much deeper dive than strava.

You can try basically all of it for free. The primary limitation is it only imports your last 25 rides.

Some things I like to use it for:
- Routes... set up the route in strava and get much easier access to segments on routes
- Segment bearings... for planning routes with wind directions.. because well you know why...
- Deeper dive into activity data

And it was super cheap

LollipopJimmy · 29-03-2017 04:58PM

Out today and the wind was a killer, I'm noticing other cyclists I meet are usually spinning a lot more than I am, I tend to slog in a higher gear. Am I being a complete idiot by doing this?

dahat · 29-03-2017 05:10PM

While my cadence isn't super spiny I have found after a winter on the turbo I am spinning slot more than last year and I feel this has helped me during races.
I was a big grinder last year so hopefully I can spin more as the season progresses. Spinning makes things easier in difficult circumstances like wind, uphills , cramps etc...

LollipopJimmy · 29-03-2017 05:53PM

dahat wrote: »

While my cadence isn't super spiny I have found after a winter on the turbo I am spinning slot more than last year and I feel this has helped me during races.
I was a big grinder last year so hopefully I can spin more as the season progresses. Spinning makes things easier in difficult circumstances like wind, uphills , cramps etc...

Maybe I'll pick up a cadence sensor and set targets for myself. I really felt it today, I've had a bad two weeks with food and I just wasn't able for the slog today at all.

RayCun · 29-03-2017 06:32PM

LollipopJimmy wrote: »

Maybe I'll pick up a cadence sensor and set targets for myself. I really felt it today, I've had a bad two weeks with food and I just wasn't able for the slog today at all.

You don't need a cadence sensor, just go down a gear! Surely you can tell if your legs are moving faster or slower?

ThisRegard · 29-03-2017 06:35PM

I found a cadence sensor very handy in trying to adjust my cadence to what pros and coaches would recommend. Previously I tended to use a gear higher that what I maybe should, a recommend cadence felt too spinny at first but I got used to it. Was never sure though if it improved my economy, endurance or speed.

LollipopJimmy · 29-03-2017 06:38PM

RayCun wrote: »

You don't need a cadence sensor, just go down a gear! Surely you can tell if your legs are moving faster or slower?

I find I have to stop myself changing up a gear when I feel I'm spionning too much and before I know it speed has dropped and I'm slogging. I was just thinking the cadence sensor couldn't hurt

ThisRegard wrote: »

I found a cadence sensor very handy in trying to adjust my cadence to what pros and coaches would recommend. Previously I tended to use a gear higher that what I maybe should, a recommend cadence felt too spinny at first but I got used to it. Was never sure though if it improved my economy, endurance or speed.

See that's where I'm a bit lost, I'm not really sure where I should be with regards to cadence or gears

Chuchote · 29-03-2017 08:56PM

What are spiny and spionny? What do the terms mean, please?

magicbastarder · 29-03-2017 09:03PM

spinny. as in spinning a high cadence, or pedalling a high RPM.

dahat · 29-03-2017 09:05PM

LollipopJimmy wrote: »

I find I have to stop myself changing up a gear when I feel I'm spionning too much and before I know it speed has dropped and I'm slogging. I was just thinking the cadence sensor couldn't hurt

See that's where I'm a bit lost, I'm not really sure where I should be with regards to cadence or gears

Cadence between 85-95 is recommended with near to 100 as you improve, improving it takes times and concentration but it does help on drags, headwinds or days when your legs are just no good.

eeeee · 29-03-2017 09:24PM

dahat wrote: »

Cadence between 85-95 is recommended with near to 100 as you improve, improving it takes times and concentration but it does help on drags, headwinds or days when your legs are just no good.

Track will help your cadence. My warm up and down cadence is 100, efforts above (depends on the interval in fairness). Comes quick on track. You can exhaust your heart and lungs several times in a race/ride, your strength system's a limited resource.

Cadence is a personal thing though, some are naturally spinnier than others. I'm not a natural spinner, but trained it. I look out for spinners when racing on the road to follow/work with when I have the choice. They don't get dropped as much in my experience, but that could be psychological! (And there are exceptions obviously)

Chuchote · 29-03-2017 09:28PM

dahat wrote: »

Cadence between 85-95 is recommended with near to 100 as you improve, improving it takes times and concentration but it does help on drags, headwinds or days when your legs are just no good.

That's 85-95 turns of the pedals per minute? Is this measured, like a 'pace' in marching, as a downturn by left and then by right?

dahat · 29-03-2017 10:42PM

nee wrote: »

Track will help your cadence. My warm up and down cadence is 100, efforts above (depends on the interval in fairness). Comes quick on track. You can exhaust your heart and lungs several times in a race/ride, your strength system's a limited resource.

Cadence is a personal thing though, some are naturally spinnier than others. I'm not a natural spinner, but trained it. I look out for spinners when racing on the road to follow/work with when I have the choice. They don't get dropped as much in my experience, but that could be psychological! (And there are exceptions obviously)

I tend to adjust mine when I see lads I know are strong going into high spin mode in certain parts of a race.
Indeed it is a personal thing but imo lads who grind are working harder than spinners so as you said they tend not to be dropped be it that's subjective.

dahat · 29-03-2017 10:43PM

Chuchote wrote: »

That's 85-95 turns of the pedals per minute? Is this measured, like a 'pace' in marching, as a downturn by left and then by right?

Yes RPM ,revolutions per minute.

magicbastarder · 29-03-2017 10:54PM

Chuchote wrote: »

That's 85-95 turns of the pedals per minute? Is this measured, like a 'pace' in marching, as a downturn by left and then by right?

Just to clarify, an rpm is counted on a single foot, not both - i.e. you don't count the downstroke on the right as one, the left as two, the right as three, etc.

CramCycle · 29-03-2017 11:00PM

Chuchote wrote: »

That's 85-95 turns of the pedals per minute? Is this measured, like a 'pace' in marching, as a downturn by left and then by right?

One full rotation on either side, so your left foot going 360 degrees once in a minute would be 1rpm.

Wishbone Ash · 29-03-2017 11:10PM

Rant:

My cycling has really taken a back seat for the past two weeks and looks like that will continue for another 4 weeks or so. This bloody 'acting up' in a higher capacity is killing me as I normally do shift work. Now I have to take the car because I'm expected to attend meetings anywhere around Dublin City and County with minimal notice. I feel ridiculous leaving for work at 8am instead of 6am and cocooned in a metal box while watching you all whizzing by. Full credit to those of you who work office hours Mon to Fri - its killing me after 30 years on shift work. I don't know how you do it as it is no life for less money.

Rant over.

tomasrojo · 29-03-2017 11:11PM

Rune Elvik (whom some here probably know from the Helmet megathread) is pretty sure that Safety in Numbers is real:
https://twitter.com/ECFhealth/status/847063543237263360

dahat · 29-03-2017 11:22PM

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

Rant:

My cycling has really taken a back seat for the past two weeks and looks like that will continue for another 4 weeks or so. This bloody 'acting up' in a higher capacity is killing me as I normally do shift work. Now I have to take the car because I'm expected to attend meetings anywhere around Dublin City and County with minimal notice. I feel ridiculous leaving for work at 8am instead of 6am and cocooned in a metal box while watching you all whizzing by. Full credit to those of you who work office hours Mon to Fri - its killing me after 30 years on shift work. I don't know how you do it as it is no life for less money.

Rant over.

This is the exact reason I have had to be come a Turbo cyclist to get for for racing. Losing shift work is a nightmare for a cyclist.

CramCycle · 29-03-2017 11:54PM

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

Rant:

My cycling has really taken a back seat for the past two weeks and looks like that will continue for another 4 weeks or so. This bloody 'acting up' in a higher capacity is killing me as I normally do shift work. Now I have to take the car because I'm expected to attend meetings anywhere around Dublin City and County with minimal notice. I feel ridiculous leaving for work at 8am instead of 6am and cocooned in a metal box while watching you all whizzing by. Full credit to those of you who work office hours Mon to Fri - its killing me after 30 years on shift work. I don't know how you do it as it is no life for less money.

Rant over.

I found moving from night work quite sad, I couldn't get things done in the middle of the day anymore, most things are closed when you need them all of a sudden. You have to make excuses not to talk to people you don't want to because being at work is not longer valid. Anytime you were off, and a 9-5er called, you could just blame the shift work. I was more productive and happier. Sad times indeed.

magicbastarder · 30-03-2017 09:11AM

do you work for a local authority, WA?

just wondering what the cycle facilities are like in the civic offices, i know a couple of people working in there who are half considering cycling to work.

Wishbone Ash · 30-03-2017 09:50AM

magicbastarder wrote: »

do you work for a local authority, WA?...

HSE

buffalo · 31-03-2017 08:30AM

I thought it was odd there wasn't that many extra cyclists this morning given the pseudo-general strike.

Chuchote · 31-03-2017 08:35AM

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

HSE

I've seen a lockable bike cage in some hospitals - for the staff - but feck all bike parking for the patients and visitors.

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Jan and Klodi's Party Bus - part II off topic discussion