Rescue 116 Crash at Blackrock, Co Mayo(Mod note in post 1)

vicwatson · 24-03-2017 06:11PM

On SAR117 a mate of mine in a rosslare was saying to me that since the incident with SAR116 he never hears 117 out training at all. Says he used to hear and see them one to two times a week but nothing for few weeks. Have training flights been suspended or...?

Irish Steve · 24-03-2017 06:12PM

scuby wrote: »

The one over sligo on marinetraffic is an old AIS track. Or have you another app ?

I'm looking live on marinetraffic.com, and according to that, and it's not an app that I'm completely au fait with, SAR 25002898 is apparently on the ground at Sligo, SAR 25002902 is at the northern end of the Belmullet peninsula, and SAR 25002897 is a few miles to the south

challengemaster · 24-03-2017 06:14PM

vicwatson wrote: »

On SAR117 a mate of mine in a rosslare was saying to me that since the incident with SAR116 he never hears 117 out training at all. Says he used to hear and see them one to two times a week but nothing for few weeks. Have training flights been suspended or...?

Eh... I'd imagine they've been a little preoccupied with assisting in the massive R116 recovery operation.

scuby · 24-03-2017 06:15PM

vicwatson wrote:

On SAR117 a mate of mine in a rosslare was saying to me that since the incident with SAR116 he never hears 117 out training at all. Says he used to hear and see them one to two times a week but nothing for few weeks. Have training flights been suspended or...?

Maybe due to accident they have to coordinate cover and training ops with other, due to being reduced to three heli's

Gadgetman496 · 24-03-2017 06:15PM

challengemaster wrote: »

Yup. 250002902 (R118) and 250002897 (R117) with 250002898 (R115) sitting at strandhill (based on past tracks)

I don't think SAR 250002897 is R117. I think it's the one covering R116 @ Dublin.

SAR 250002901 is R117 I think?

Irish Steve · 24-03-2017 06:16PM

vicwatson wrote: »

On SAR117 a mate of mine in a rosslare was saying to me that since the incident with SAR116 he never hears 117 out training at all. Says he used to hear and see them one to two times a week but nothing for few weeks. Have training flights been suspended or...?

I suspect that with the significant increase in tasking since the 116 accident, 117 has not been operating in the same area in the same way, my guess is that they've been providing cover for the other locations, and performing their "scheduled" training tasks in whichever area they end up operating in.

vicwatson · 24-03-2017 06:19PM

challengemaster wrote: »

Eh... I'd imagine they've been a little preoccupied with assisting in the massive R116 recovery operation.

I didn't realise they had been up there until today, thought it was all SAR118, as you seem to know, has it been up there much?

ratracer · 24-03-2017 06:22PM

scuby wrote: »

Maybe due to accident they have to coordinate cover and training ops with other, due to being reduced to three heli's

There are still four heli's, there was 5 in Ireland, one operating as a spare to cover service intervals.

Gaoth Laidir · 24-03-2017 06:28PM

Just catching up here but is the diving taking place from An Gearóidín fishing vessel? It's right in at the wreckage zone. Is that due to its smaller size and local knowledge?

I hope they get what they're looking for.

<snip> Sorry, had to take the inline image out, it was doing very strange things to several computers and phones. Can you try again

challengemaster · 24-03-2017 06:29PM

Gadgetman496 wrote: »

I don't think SAR 250002897 is R117. I think it's the one covering R116 @ Dublin.

SAR 250002901 is R117 I think?

Callsign is based on where the crew is based, not the heli.

SAR250002901 last known location was, as you said, Waterford. But that was on 2017-03-02 21:45 UTC. It hasn't moved since.

2897 left Waterford yesterday, and landed at Shannon, presumably stayed overnight and begun searching the western coast today. 2901 is presumably the extra one that wasn't in rotation.

scuby · 24-03-2017 06:30PM

ratracer wrote:

There are still four heli's, there was 5 in Ireland, one operating as a spare to cover service intervals.

Would the 4th one not be used as a spare between the three bases, and more so, be located in sligo, due to the long hours they are putting in ?

refusetolose · 24-03-2017 06:31PM

live stream https://twitter.com/patmcgrath

wotswattage · 24-03-2017 06:31PM

Recorder found by divers.

Will be brought to the UK for analysis and the data is expected to be downloaded by middle of next week. Visually undamaged.

Oscar Bravo · 24-03-2017 06:32PM

Rescue 115 landing at Blacksod now for fuel. back to Shannon afterwards once airborne

Gadgetman496 · 24-03-2017 06:32PM

challengemaster wrote: »

Callsign is based on where the crew is based, not the heli.

SAR250002901 last known location was, as you said, Waterford. But that was on 2017-03-02 21:45 UTC. It hasn't moved since.

2897 left Waterford yesterday, and landed at Shannon, presumably stayed overnight and begun searching the western coast today. 2901 is presumably the extra one that wasn't in rotation.

When not on task SAR 250002901 has been based in Waterford all week.

refusetolose · 24-03-2017 06:33PM

wotswattage wrote: »

Recorder found by divers.

yer man said it contains flight data and voice data

cosanostra · 24-03-2017 06:33PM

View the Press conference here https://www.periscope.tv/patmcgrath/1mrGmeYZEjDGy

PukkaStukka · 24-03-2017 06:37PM

refusetolose wrote: »

yer man said it contains flight data and voice data

Just got an RTE news alert confirmed recorder found

Gaoth Laidir · 24-03-2017 06:51PM

Good to hear that they've at least got the recorders.

The TRA expires at 7 pm this evening but I'm sure it will be extended as long as the search continues.

Irish Steve · 24-03-2017 06:53PM

CVR / FDR recovered at 1630, Jurgen Whyte has given short press briefing that priority was missing crew members, but if in the process of the search, they came across the recorder, they were obliged to collect it while they were able to. it is on the Granuaile in the custody of the AAIU personnel, and later this evening it will be transferred via Dublin to the UK for processing, and they are hopeful that they will have data from it early next week. The device appears visually undamaged, but it will require work to prepare it for download and analysis, which the UK AAIU will carry out.

For me, the uncomfortable part of the interview was that there was no information given at all about the missing crew members, diving is continuing still this evening, and will also take place tomorrow, but they were very non committal about anything to do with the 3 crew.

spaceHopper · 24-03-2017 06:53PM

PukkaStukka wrote: »

Just got an RTE news alert confirmed recorder found

http://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0324/862167-helicoptersearch/

They have the box. No word of the crew yet but let hope for the best. Either way they will want to talk to the families first and give them space to think

24-03-2017 06:54PM

I'd prefer at this point that the crew were recovered I'll happily wait the FDRs recovery.

ED E · 24-03-2017 06:57PM

Reading between the lines its very hard to believe the bodies are on board. If the CDR was behind the pilots seats they're in the centre of the wreckage assuming its not highly dispersed.

Teebor15 · 24-03-2017 06:59PM

Just to clear up any confusion. EI-ICU has had its maintenance complete in Waterford and is now the based R117.

R117 has not being assisting in the search but is covering pretty much the whole country while allowing R118 (Sligo) and R115 (Shannon) conduct searches at the recovery site.

EI-ICD left Waterford for Shannon yesterday evening.

Gaoth Laidir · 24-03-2017 07:00PM

ED E wrote: »

Reading between the lines its very hard to believe the bodies are on board. If the CDR was behind the pilots seats they're in the centre of the wreckage assuming its not highly dispersed.

He said they found the recorder "on the seabed". Not sure if that means in the wreckage on the seabed or actually on the seabed.

spaceHopper · 24-03-2017 07:01PM

ED E wrote: »

Reading between the lines its very hard to believe the bodies are on board. If the CDR was behind the pilots seats they're in the centre of the wreckage assuming its not highly dispersed.

Even though they've know where the wreckage was for so long they haven't stopped surface searches. They have being doing everything they can to find them. They haven't vanished in tin air they will find them.

elastico · 24-03-2017 07:09PM

ED E wrote: »

Reading between the lines its very hard to believe the bodies are on board. If the CDR was behind the pilots seats they're in the centre of the wreckage assuming its not highly dispersed.

It is really hard to know. I thought wreckage was intact bast on robot that went down the other day?

24-03-2017 07:10PM

ED E wrote: »

Reading between the lines its very hard to believe the bodies are on board. If the CDR was behind the pilots seats they're in the centre of the wreckage assuming its not highly dispersed.

Or maybe they just don't want to make a public statement that says the 3 are onboard but we can't recover them till we lift the wreckage which may take a few days to organise. Maybe just maybe the priority here is the families and those still grieving rather than telling Joe and Josephine bloggs so they can chat about it on the internet.

nuac · 24-03-2017 07:11PM

They did well to find the Flight Recorder there in those conditions.

Wish them the best in searching for the bodies, Hard dangerous work. I have seen divers at work in searching for a body nearer the shore, in shallower water without a swell. These lads and their support teams are heroes

Irish Steve · 24-03-2017 07:14PM

elastico wrote: »

It is really hard to know. I thought wreckage was intact bast on robot that went down the other day?

There's been no information released into any of the sources I am aware of that gives any indication about the condition of the rest of the wreckage off Blackrock. Given what we do know about the local area, it's hard to see that there won't be significant damage, after losing some parts during a collision above water with the island, then impact with the water, and over a week under water in an area that has had significant wave and wind action during that time, I am not expecting to see large sections lifted out as such.

Rescue 116 Crash at Blackrock, Co Mayo(Mod note in post 1)

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