Bus Eireann

CoolHandBandit · 24-03-2017 11:20AM

Well done to the rail workers as well as the bus drivers. Great to see some still have a moral compass and are prepared to stand up to the race to the bottom for workers.

StringerBell · 24-03-2017 11:25AM

Some fairly uninformed opinions on the last couple of pages, which is hardly surprising I suppose.

Anyway, the sooner this gets sorted out the better for all concerned.

Awesomeness · 24-03-2017 11:42AM

CoolHandBandit wrote: »

Well done to the rail workers as well as the bus drivers. Great to see some still have a moral compass and are prepared to stand up to the race to the bottom for workers.

The moral compass of the rail workers doesn't seem to be picking up all the trouble they are causing for commuters.

I have some sympathy for the bus drivers on some of the conditions. But I cannot understand how anyone can support keeping unnecessary overtime.

They never should have been allowed to get away with it. Unions once existed to stop the worker from being bullied by the company. Now their the ones who do the bullying

VinLieger · 24-03-2017 11:58AM

CoolHandBandit wrote: »

Well done to the rail workers as well as the bus drivers. Great to see some still have a moral compass and are prepared to stand up to the race to the bottom for workers.

What race to the bottom? this phrase is just bandied about without zero evidence ever given to back it up.

Are Bus drivers having their wages docked? or cut? No they are simply being asked to do their jobs in a more efficient and cost saving manner.

And no before anyone tries to argue it, overtime changes is not the same as having wages docked, overtime is a bonus and anyone relying on it is moronic. If they were in the private sector and started complaining about overtime changes they would be laughed out of the building. Any job losses have been announced as voluntary afaik as well so nothing to stamp their feet about there either.

The_Kew_Tour · 24-03-2017 12:01PM

The Rail Workers going on strike without any warning was a utter disgrace this morning.

No excuses. They really have nO business at this minute to go on strike.

Every one of them who went along should get a P45.

TheDoctor · 24-03-2017 12:16PM

Just let the inevitable happen and let BE go bankrupt.

Time to restart with a new company as the old one cant be fixed in its current format.

Full clear out needed.

Cant constantly throw money at a company losing so much money - €50k a day!!!

ebbsy · 24-03-2017 12:20PM

Last time I was on Bus Eireann was 2007, going to watch champs league final somewhere.

Better and cheaper services out there.

50k losses per day ? Come on now pack it in lads.

Idbatterim · 24-03-2017 12:25PM

The claim about the unions doing the bullying. They are private interests, who's job it is, to do as little work for as much money as possible. They are used to being able to abuse extreme weak governance here. They are piss takers. But the buck stops with the government. The fact they have gotten to 2017 with this kind of pay and service and attitude to work and the public is unbelievable. They have creamed off tens to hundreds of thousands that they wouldn't have gotten in the private sector. To hell with them. As for the cie basket case. The irony of a third world transport system versus the world class pay and perks for those operating it. If MN etc aren't driverless it's beyond any joke!

Idbatterim · 24-03-2017 12:31PM

TheDoctor wrote: »

Just let the inevitable happen and let BE go bankrupt.

Time to restart with a new company as the old one cant be fixed in its current format.

Full clear out needed.

Cant constantly throw money at a company losing so much money every few years.

why start a new state company? Anything the state have involvement in, is a joke. Simply use private operators for the buses. Rail is more difficult... laughably rail workers will be the next ones looking for rise, doing more damage to the company that pays them. Well maybe not. I read about some of the services that didn't run today. The amount of people using some of them, wouldn't even pay the driver and fuel!

peteeeed · 24-03-2017 12:37PM

it seems that people want the subsidies to stop so bus eireann /dublin bus / irish rail should make OAP's / disabled pay a fare and students not get subsidised , discounted travel

TheDoctor · 24-03-2017 12:45PM

Hilarious that pay rises were being mentioned when the company was losing €50k a day.

What fantasy world are these people living in.

VinLieger · 24-03-2017 12:47PM

peteeeed wrote: »

it seems that people want the subsidies to stop so bus eireann /dublin bus / irish rail should make OAP's / disabled pay a fare and students not get subsidised , discounted travel

No people want the unions to stop taking the piss, any subsidy increase goes 100% into the drivers pockets so the service cannot be improved until the unions are taken out of the equation.

arctictree · 24-03-2017 12:50PM

TheDoctor wrote: »

Hilarious that pay rises were being mentioned when the company was losing €50k a day.

What fantasy world are these people living in.

If they are losing 50K a day, surely the day will arrive when they actually have no money left to pay staff. What then?

blingrhino · 24-03-2017 12:58PM

No school bus this morning despite an email from Bus Eireann saying services not affected :cool:

TallGlass · 24-03-2017 01:03PM

CoolHandBandit wrote: »

Well done to the rail workers as well as the bus drivers. Great to see some still have a moral compass and are prepared to stand up to the race to the bottom for workers.

What in gods name are you talking about?

Moral compasses! We did not see entire shopping centers close down when Tesco or Dunnes went on strike. What business have another company got in this dispute. They share the same location that's where it ends.

Each and everyone one of them should be given a warning at the minimum.

Cop yourself on, 1000s of people these guys couldn't give two f**ks about, as far as I am concerned, it should be allowed fail, it's a f**cking money pit.

Swiftly followed then by RTÉ.

Stick to my teeth of forking out cash for these so called entitled people.

weldoninhio · 24-03-2017 01:07PM

Idbatterim wrote: »

why start a new state company? Anything the state have involvement in, is a joke. Simply use private operators for the buses. Rail is more difficult... laughably rail workers will be the next ones looking for rise, doing more damage to the company that pays them. Well maybe not. I read about some of the services that didn't run today. The amount of people using some of them, wouldn't even pay the driver and fuel!

Start a new state business with a clean slate. From the start, state that it will not be engaging with unions a la Ryanair.

Mr.Micro · 24-03-2017 01:08PM

It's about time Bus Eireann was privatised, along with Irish rail. Both need to be modernised and upgraded.

pumpkin4life · 24-03-2017 01:08PM

Let it fall, let it go down, stop funding and start laying people off and listening to these people. Fùcking ridiculous. The private sector will pick up the rest.

If you're worried about the one granny on a rural area bus, then maybe put some Bus Eireann drivers on that. But otherwise, the company should be cut by 95-100%.

Wanderer78 · 24-03-2017 01:10PM

Mr.Micro wrote:

It's about time Bus Eireann was privatised, along with Irish rail. Both need to be modernised and upgraded.

Yup neoliberalism is the way forward, all hail increasing worker insecurity!

Lollipop95 · 24-03-2017 01:13PM

How long will the strike last?

Awesomeness · 24-03-2017 01:17PM

Lollipop95 wrote: »

How long will the strike last?

It is stated to cost half a million per day. Before this the company stated it would be insolvent in a few months.

So I doubt think it will be able to go on too long. With that said the company cant really stop it as without cuts they will go bust anyway

Sierra Oscar · 24-03-2017 01:17PM

Lollipop95 wrote: »

How long will the strike last?

We don't know at the moment. It's scheduled to continue indefinitely.

Mr.Micro · 24-03-2017 01:17PM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Yup neoliberalism is the way forward, all hail increasing worker insecurity!

As opposed to the population that expects a proper service and not one to suit the staff of Irish rail and Bus Eireann. Both subsidised by said population. They are run so badly and inefficently. A disgrace in modern Ireland going forward.

Bracken81 · 24-03-2017 01:20PM

No sympathy for them...............losing €100 per week on overtime on their 5.5 hour days must be tough going

Bye Bye Bus Eireann all going well

Wanderer78 · 24-03-2017 01:20PM

Mr.Micro wrote:

As opposed to the population that expects a proper service and not one to suit the staff of Irish rail and Bus Eireann. Both subsidised by said population. They are run so badly and inefficently. A disgrace in modern Ireland going forward.

There's no question our public services badly need an overhaul and investment, but privatisation is a bust. Sadly I don't think anybody knows what to do next but increasing worker insecurity most certainly is not the answer

Shurimgreat · 24-03-2017 01:23PM

CoolHandBandit wrote: »

Well done to the rail workers as well as the bus drivers. Great to see some still have a moral compass and are prepared to stand up to the race to the bottom for workers.

And inconvenience everyone else including those needing to attend hospital appointments, pensioners who need to get the pension and do shopping, and anyone who depends on a bus.

Some moral compass indeed.

These workers are standing up for themselves and couldn't care less about anyone else.

Shurimgreat · 24-03-2017 01:31PM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Yup neoliberalism is the way forward, all hail increasing worker insecurity!

Pampered protected workers like those in BE never need to engage in cost savings or efficiencies like most private sector workers. They can strike and hope the taxpayer bails them out everytime. Time to say enough.

ricero · 24-03-2017 01:33PM

Shame on minister shane ross. His tenure as minister of transport has been deplorable

ebbsy · 24-03-2017 01:35PM

arctictree wrote: »

If they are losing 50K a day, surely the day will arrive when they actually have no money left to pay staff. What then?

They will **** the taxpayer over. Again.

Shurimgreat · 24-03-2017 01:35PM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

There's no question our public services badly need an overhaul and investment, but privatisation is a bust. Sadly I don't think anybody knows what to do next but increasing worker insecurity most certainly is not the answer

Spoken like a true public sector worker!

Next you will be saying companies like Ryanair (where redundancies are rare and which continues to go from strength to strength) are a failure.

Privatisation in this case seems to be the only solution.

If the workers want to threaten the taxpayer/government with all out strikes, then we need to threaten them with privatisation. If they want to dig in, we should dig in also.

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