Bus Eireann

_Kaiser_ · 23-03-2017 05:27PM

sjb25 wrote: »

I never ever ever have gotten the bus the one day I want to get the bus to go collect my new car they go on strike ah well may try the train out so

See if there's a private bus operator maybe?

sjb25 · 23-03-2017 06:23PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

See if there's a private bus operator maybe?

Yeah think that's the new plan

Idbatterim · 23-03-2017 06:40PM

So how much exactly did these white elephant 900,000 water meters cost to install?Meanwhile a vital piece of national infrastucture is being strangled of funding.

laughable, its costs are way out of line, tell you what, for those that deem it that vital, let them jack up the fare costs and let the actual users pay for it. I pay through the nose on motor tax, so I can avoid the 3rd world public transport here...

OR cut they over the top wages, work practices etc...

end of the road · 23-03-2017 07:14PM

Idbatterim wrote: »

laughable, its costs are way out of line, tell you what, for those that deem it that vital, let them jack up the fare costs and let the actual users pay for it. I pay through the nose on motor tax, so I can avoid the 3rd world public transport here...

OR cut they over the top wages, work practices etc...

can't be done, the fares have to be kept as they are or lowered. it's our job to pay for this vital service to insure employment opportunities, educational opportunities, and accessibility for all. it's correct you pay through the nose for motor tax, and hopefully there will be a huge increase, as you cost us way to much in terms of providing road space. bus eireann's costs are only a small bit out of line and that is being rectified. there are no over the top wages or work practices, just some legacy issues which again, are being rectified.

Arcade_Tryer · 23-03-2017 07:41PM

end of the road wrote: »

can't be done, the fares have to be kept as they are or lowered. it's our job to pay for this vital service to insure employment opportunities, educational opportunities, and accessibility for all. it's correct you pay through the nose for motor tax, and hopefully there will be a huge increase, as you cost us way to much in terms of providing road space. bus eireann's costs are only a small bit out of line and that is being rectified. there are no over the top wages or work practices, just some legacy issues which again, are being rectified.

I can imagine people being apoplectic reading this post but it is actually quite reasonable. Hence the apoplectic part I suppose. This strike, like the Luas strike a while back, will result in people joining one of two sides, both spouting vitriol and exaggerated statements back and forth at each other.

super_furry · 23-03-2017 07:46PM

Start will doing away with free travel for pensioners. Make them pay €150 a year for their travel pass, which is still outstanding value, and ring-fence that money for the travel providers.

oppenheimer1 · 23-03-2017 07:50PM

end of the road wrote: »

can't be done, the fares have to be kept as they are or lowered. it's our job to pay for this vital service to insure employment opportunities, educational opportunities, and accessibility for all. it's correct you pay through the nose for motor tax, and hopefully there will be a huge increase, as you cost us way to much in terms of providing road space. bus eireann's costs are only a small bit out of line and that is being rectified. there are no over the top wages or work practices, just some legacy issues which again, are being rectified.

A small bit out of line? They are losing €50k per day. It has 1300 drivers + overtime when it needs 900.

There is no point in trying to minimise describing the cost problem, because that is simply false.

end of the road · 23-03-2017 08:09PM

super_furry wrote: »

Start will doing away with free travel for pensioners. Make them pay €150 a year for their travel pass, which is still outstanding value, and ring-fence that money for the travel providers.

no . not the job of pensioners to give up their free travel.

Broken Hearted Road · 23-03-2017 08:11PM

Just after reading the news on the journal and it says bus eireann is due to strike from midnight.

I don't get it. The company is going down and they need to make some changes and the workers are striking due to some plans and changes.

We suffered such a huge recession during the past few years. This was one of the problems, a lot of private companies and manufacturing plants went belly up and changes had to happen. Hours cut, lay offs, new staff taken on at lower rates, many young people were faced with internships. Different story in the public sector. Not lumping all public sector jobs into one here. I'm sure things weren't easy for many especially front line staff in hospitals like nurses. Then there were teachers. I knew of a few young teachers at secondary level and their hours were so poor and weekly income was ****e.

Striking isn't going to help this bus eireann situation.

Edited to add: I bet there were many private sector workers guilt tripped into accepting changes otherwise they would have found themselves at the end of a dole queue.

I think it would be all to easy to say privatise the company but I don't think that will be the answer. Otherwise non profitable routes would be done away with and many from rural areas will suffer.

super_furry · 23-03-2017 08:29PM

end of the road wrote: »

no . not the job of pensioners to give up their free travel.

Why not? 1.2 million people in Ireland avail of free travel. No wonder transport companies can't make ends meet with a quarter of the population of Ireland pay nothing for it.

A token annual charge would go a long way to funding these services.

freedominacup · 23-03-2017 08:45PM

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

A small bit out of line?. It has 1300 drivers + overtime when it needs 900.

Bus eireann has 2300 staff and around 100,000 passengers per day. It simply can't be viable. 40 odd paying customers per staff member per day. Wage costs per fare of €3.25??? It's not just too many drivers by any stretch of the imagination.

Nomis21 · 23-03-2017 08:52PM

super_furry wrote: »

Why not? 1.2 million people in Ireland avail of free travel. No wonder transport companies can't make ends meet with a quarter of the population of Ireland pay nothing for it.

A token annual charge would go a long way to funding these services.

Bus Eireann receives a large subsidy to be part of the free travel scheme. Without this subsidy their finances would be in a much worse situation.

soups05 · 23-03-2017 09:48PM

ffs, car broke down 3 weeks ago so been bussing it to and from college. just when i decide to dump the car totally they go on strike. any one have a reasonable suggestion how long it will last?

eeguy · 23-03-2017 09:55PM

soups05 wrote: »

ffs, car broke down 3 weeks ago so been bussing it to and from college. just when i decide to dump the car totally they go on strike. any one have a reasonable suggestion how long it will last?

Who knows...

The Luas went on for months last year. The company could go to the wall before this is resolved.

Nomis21 · 23-03-2017 10:00PM

Who thinks the trains will come out as well?

And how long before that happens?

Awesomeness · 23-03-2017 10:23PM

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

A small bit out of line? They are losing €50k per day. It has 1300 drivers + overtime when it needs 900.

There is no point in trying to minimise describing the cost problem, because that is simply false.

The overtime is an absolute joke. BE want to remove unsanctioned and unrostered overtime and this is one of the things they are fighting to keep. That is ridiculous.

If i decided to just stay at the office an extra few hours and then told my boss he owed me overtime I wouldnt fancy my chances

mzungu · 23-03-2017 10:37PM

Nomis21 wrote: »

Who thinks the trains will come out as well?

And how long before that happens?

Give it two months after this is sorted out.

Noddyholder · 23-03-2017 11:20PM

Nomis21 wrote: »

Who thinks the trains will come out as well?

And how long before that happens?

Dublin Bus workers and train drivers at shared depots across the country may decide not to pass the pickets tomorrow, but he is not advocating this. Mr Noone said strike action is the last alternative.

From rte.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 24-03-2017 12:20AM

Noddyholder wrote: »

Dublin Bus workers and train drivers at shared depots across the country may decide not to pass the pickets tomorrow, but he is not advocating this. Mr Noone said strike action is the last alternative.

From rte.

Hard to see DB and IR workers crossing the picket line at these shared depots. I think there will be massive disruption across the entire transport network tomorrow.

Nomis21 · 24-03-2017 12:26AM

mzungu wrote: »

Give it two months after this is sorted out.

'After' this is sorted out, not before it is sorted out?

Nomis21 · 24-03-2017 12:27AM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Hard to see DB and IR workers crossing the picket line at these shared depots. I think there will be massive disruption across the entire transport network tomorrow.

Waterford, Tralee, Limerick, Galway, Sligo and Athlone are shared depots

DEFTLEFTHAND · 24-03-2017 12:32AM

Nomis21 wrote: »

Where are these shared depots?

Limerick, Waterford, Galway, Athlone, Sligo and Tralee are some of the big depots around the country that BE share with Irish Rail.

I'm not sure of any locations in Dublin?

mzungu · 24-03-2017 12:34AM

Nomis21 wrote: »

'After' this is sorted out, not before it is sorted out?

Aye, it just wouldn't be the right time so they will probably sit this one out. Best to let BE and the unions come to an arrangement and then when the dust settles from that the train drivers can have their turn.

CatFromHue · 24-03-2017 01:28AM

How come they can call a strike for tomorrow, I thought they had to give a certain amount of notice.

end of the road · 24-03-2017 02:01AM

CatFromHue wrote: »

How come they can call a strike for tomorrow, I thought they had to give a certain amount of notice.

they do, 7 days minimum.
however i presume them giving notice ages back that there would be an all out strike should the company implement the changes, and the company giving a date for which the relevant changes would be implemented, means the strike can now go ahead. if not that, then it may be that the notice period for the strike that was called off still allows for this strike.

Cookie_Monster · 24-03-2017 09:53AM

Nomis21 wrote: »

Who thinks the trains will come out as well?

And how long before that happens?

and they have, instantly.

hmmm · 24-03-2017 09:56AM

We can't go on like this, handing more and more money over in subsidies to inefficient state transport companies - particularly as they will strike at the drop of a hat.

peteeeed · 24-03-2017 10:02AM

hmmm wrote: »

We can't go on like this, handing more and more money over in subsidies to inefficient state transport companies - particularly as they will strike at the drop of a hat.

i'm not defending the strike but do you why they are subsidised ?

Shurimgreat · 24-03-2017 10:28AM

Failed company, overpaid pampered workers, let it go and start afresh with a new one where union membership is banned.

Or else support the private operators. There's no point having a public bus company where the workers pick and choose when they work.

There are much more vital services to fund than pampered well paid bus drivers.

VinLieger · 24-03-2017 10:29AM

Irish Rail drivers are a disgrace for following along with this

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