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Attack outside UK Houses Of Parliament — No speculation — Read 1st post

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  • Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Islam is a disgusting ideology. Forget ****ing ISIS. Islam is disgusting and has no place in Europe, it's not compatable with democracy or human rights. And anyone who thinks it is, I hope ISIS get you.


    If you stick the word 'radical' or 'extreme' in front of the word Islam you might get a few more people onside. Listen, how is Omar the Dublin Bus driver and Dad of 4 from a couple doors down not compatable with society? He works shifts, his kids go to school and his wife is as friendly as can be with the neighbours. Just like my Dad when I was growing up. As usual, there's a middle ground to be found but some people just won't look for it or don't want to.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,426 ✭✭✭Neon_Lights


    Islam the only religion you cannot satire without fear of an angry mob or fearing your own life...

    This does not work in a society which values freedom of expression,good, bad or indifferent.


  • Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Coffee flavoured Quality Streets are disgusting as well. Can we ban them too?

    Infidel!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    snowflaker wrote: »
    Have Isis or the IRA or something not got you???

    Winged bees perhaps?

    Hang on, there's a knock on the door. Be right back.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,166 ✭✭✭Beyondgone


    I'm betting there's a father and mother crying themselves to sleep at what their son went and did that got him killed too. Despite what they may have intended his life to have been. That armed policeman will see today forever. He did what he had to do, but it will eat him alive forever. Others will have limps, pain, immobility and more, all because one person decided that someone who died aeons ago had all the answers. There will be funerals, tears, hurt and pain because one type of person decided that another type of person had the wrong religious opinion. Which is devastating. But the scenario will be repeated again and again no doubt. Religion has an awful lot to answer for. Leading people astray since year 0.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 672 ✭✭✭pangbang


    Condolences to the people who died. Its easy to become immune to tragedy when its continual, and something that we should all try to avoid. Those poor people today are just the latest batch. Do ye feel that its becoming a common occurrence? Are you getting used to it yet? Can you predict the outcome/causes of these tragedies when they first hit the headlines?

    I can say myself that, yes, its getting predictable. Or in other words, its becoming normal.

    Normalisation needs to stop. Do NOT get used to it. STOP getting into fruitless arguments, such as Christianity (a thousand years ago in some cases!) versus Islam today. STOP engaging people demanding evidence when it is clearly an attempt to stifle and derail the conversation. START piecing the obvious puzzle pieces together, use your brain.

    Generally (and I don't mean very general either!), there are key points that our country and our people need to recognise.

    We need to ask ourselves the typical business question, "whats in it for me?"

    When the average Irish person cant afford sky-rocketing home prices.....

    When its getting increasingly difficult to establish a reliable and stable financial future with less and less jobs to go around.....

    When you can see the increasingly fractured and increasingly dangerous societies of the UK and USA with their diverse groups of "tribes" (for want of a better word)....

    When you can see people dying in their own country (or tourists, oftentimes) as a direct consequence of immigration.....

    When you are aware of natural resources running out....

    When you are aware of the inevitable fallout of job automation (sooner rather than later)....

    When you are aware that people cant find places for their own children in full-to-bursting schools....

    When you realise that to question these obvious things is to walk on tippy toes across broken glass....

    When you can be sick (severely so) and cant get into a hospital for months or even years for necessary treatment....



    ....ask yourself, when it comes to immigration, "whats in it for me? Whats in it for my children and the children of my fellow countrymen?"

    Yes, lots of irish people have emigrated in the past, and its a done deal now. Cant change it. Are you willing to have your child/family have a worse future in order to accommodate others, in order to feel righteous? Probably the biggest reason for young people emigrating today is BECAUSE jobs are scarce, BECAUSE homes are out of reach, BECAUSE infrastructure is overloaded.

    Yes, this post is anti-immigration. But it is quite simply reality. Stopping immigration isn't going to solve all the problems above, but it damn sure is making them MUCH worse. Imagine having a house that is in rag order, place is in bits. Lets say the walls are in bad shape and you need to fix them, some heavy duty work is needed. Now imagine that the house is packed to the brim with old sofas, TV's, rubbish etc. And someone keeps stopping by everyday to drop in more clutter. The stuff around the house isn't the main problem, the walls are. But you cant fix the walls with the ever-increasing amount of clutter. Its a logical sequence. You HAVE to tidy up the house before you can get around to the main problem, and you especially need to tell that bloke to stop brining more clutter in each day!

    And although it might seem to be an off-topic rant, it is directly related to the latest attack in London. I don't want that here in my country, and I don't care if 1 in a thousand is a bad guy. Try explaining the "theyre not all bad people" to any of the families of the French, German and English people whos loved ones have been murdered.

    Don't import problems, Ireland! Theres nothing in it for us except idealism, and your children wont survive on idealism. Its reality time, and humanitarianism and idealism are luxuries that few can afford. And if you think its just going to be a few killings every now and then, it is INEVITABLE that it will get much worse. We have enough problems already, so wake up and smell the coffee beans!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭snowflaker


    Can we play Alt-right bingo with the posts?


  • Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Islam the only religion you cannot satire without fear of an angry mob or fearing your own life...

    I know we have Blasphemy laws but you're 100% spot on with this. Nobody is gonna threaten your life or livelyhood if you draw God or Jesus or Buddha or the Spaghetti Monster.


  • Posts: 26,920 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    snowflaker wrote: »
    Can we play Alt-right bingo with the posts?

    I went to Bingo once. Got so disappointed when I discovered people didn't actually shout Bingo! They shout House. It doesn't have the same ring. But at least I won over €200.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Depp


    snowflaker wrote: »
    Can we play Alt-right bingo with the posts?

    Can we play radical left bingo with the rest of them?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭donkeykong5


    Beyondgone wrote: »
    I'm betting there's a father and mother crying themselves to sleep at what their son went and did that got him killed too. Despite what they may have intended his life to have been. That armed policeman will see today forever. He did what he had to do, but it will eat him alive forever. Others will have limps, pain, immobility and more, all because one person decided that someone who died aeons ago had all the answers. There will be funerals, tears, hurt and pain because one type of person decided that another type of person had the wrong religious opinion. Which is devastating. But the scenario will be repeated again and again no doubt. Religion has an awful lot to answer for. Leading people astray since year 0.
    The nut job could have killed people of his own religion as well. He was out of control. Whoever put all that crap in his warped mind is also guilty of murder.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,298 ✭✭✭coco0981


    pangbang wrote: »
    Condolences to the people who died. Its easy to become immune to tragedy when its continual, and something that we should all try to avoid. Those poor people today are just the latest batch. Do ye feel that its becoming a common occurrence? Are you getting used to it yet? Can you predict the outcome/causes of these tragedies when they first hit the headlines?

    I can say myself that, yes, its getting predictable. Or in other words, its becoming normal.

    Normalisation needs to stop. Do NOT get used to it. STOP getting into fruitless arguments, such as Christianity (a thousand years ago in some cases!) versus Islam today. STOP engaging people demanding evidence when it is clearly an attempt to stifle and derail the conversation. START piecing the obvious puzzle pieces together, use your brain.

    Generally (and I don't mean very general either!), there are key points that our country and our people need to recognise.

    We need to ask ourselves the typical business question, "whats in it for me?"

    When the average Irish person cant afford sky-rocketing home prices.....

    When its getting increasingly difficult to establish a reliable and stable financial future with less and less jobs to go around.....

    When you can see the increasingly fractured and increasingly dangerous societies of the UK and USA with their diverse groups of "tribes" (for want of a better word)....

    When you can see people dying in their own country (or tourists, oftentimes) as a direct consequence of immigration.....

    When you are aware of natural resources running out....

    When you are aware of the inevitable fallout of job automation (sooner rather than later)....

    When you are aware that people cant find places for their own children in full-to-bursting schools....

    When you realise that to question these obvious things is to walk on tippy toes across broken glass....

    When you can be sick (severely so) and cant get into a hospital for months or even years for necessary treatment....



    ....ask yourself, when it comes to immigration, "whats in it for me? Whats in it for my children and the children of my fellow countrymen?"

    Yes, lots of irish people have emigrated in the past, and its a done deal now. Cant change it. Are you willing to have your child/family have a worse future in order to accommodate others, in order to feel righteous? Probably the biggest reason for young people emigrating today is BECAUSE jobs are scarce, BECAUSE homes are out of reach, BECAUSE infrastructure is overloaded.

    Yes, this post is anti-immigration. But it is quite simply reality. Stopping immigration isn't going to solve all the problems above, but it damn sure is making them MUCH worse. Imagine having a house that is in rag order, place is in bits. Lets say the walls are in bad shape and you need to fix them, some heavy duty work is needed. Now imagine that the house is packed to the brim with old sofas, TV's, rubbish etc. And someone keeps stopping by everyday to drop in more clutter. The stuff around the house isn't the main problem, the walls are. But you cant fix the walls with the ever-increasing amount of clutter. Its a logical sequence. You HAVE to tidy up the house before you can get around to the main problem, and you especially need to tell that bloke to stop brining more clutter in each day!

    And although it might seem to be an off-topic rant, it is directly related to the latest attack in London. I don't want that here in my country, and I don't care if 1 in a thousand is a bad guy. Try explaining the "theyre not all bad people" to any of the families of the French, German and English people whos loved ones have been murdered.

    Don't import problems, Ireland! Theres nothing in it for us except idealism, and your children wont survive on idealism. Its reality time, and humanitarianism and idealism are luxuries that few can afford. And if you think its just going to be a few killings every now and then, it is INEVITABLE that it will get much worse. We have enough problems already, so wake up and smell the coffee beans!

    Is that you Justin Barrett?
    Never have I seen a single post on boards filled with so much rubbish


  • Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    snowflaker wrote: »
    Can we play Alt-right bingo with the posts?

    Ah I was just playing LeftyLiberal bingo there and ''Alt-Right'' was the one I needed!!! Thanks!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    The nut job could have killed people of his own religion as well. He was out of control. Whoever put all that crap in his warped mind is also guilty of murder.

    They're probably even more guilty. The attacker is most likely to be just a useful idiot.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭snowflaker


    Hang on, there's a knock on the door. Be right back.

    #prayforprofm


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭snowflaker


    Omackeral wrote: »
    Ah I was just playing LeftyLiberal bingo there and ''Alt-Right'' was the one I needed!!! Thanks!!!

    It wasn't mentioned before now???


  • Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    They're probably even more guilty. The attacker is most likely to be just a useful idiot.

    I'd say the fella doing the stabbing and the auld mowing people down is more guilty. Just a hunch.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭snowflaker


    pangbang wrote: »
    Condolences to the people who died. Its easy to become immune to tragedy when its continual, and something that we should all try to avoid. Those poor people today are just the latest batch. Do ye feel that its becoming a common occurrence? Are you getting used to it yet? Can you predict the outcome/causes of these tragedies when they first hit the headlines?

    I can say myself that, yes, its getting predictable. Or in other words, its becoming normal.

    Normalisation needs to stop. Do NOT get used to it. STOP getting into fruitless arguments, such as Christianity (a thousand years ago in some cases!) versus Islam today. STOP engaging people demanding evidence when it is clearly an attempt to stifle and derail the conversation. START piecing the obvious puzzle pieces together, use your brain.

    Generally (and I don't mean very general either!), there are key points that our country and our people need to recognise.

    We need to ask ourselves the typical business question, "whats in it for me?"

    When the average Irish person cant afford sky-rocketing home prices.....

    When its getting increasingly difficult to establish a reliable and stable financial future with less and less jobs to go around.....

    When you can see the increasingly fractured and increasingly dangerous societies of the UK and USA with their diverse groups of "tribes" (for want of a better word)....

    When you can see people dying in their own country (or tourists, oftentimes) as a direct consequence of immigration.....

    When you are aware of natural resources running out....

    When you are aware of the inevitable fallout of job automation (sooner rather than later)....

    When you are aware that people cant find places for their own children in full-to-bursting schools....

    When you realise that to question these obvious things is to walk on tippy toes across broken glass....

    When you can be sick (severely so) and cant get into a hospital for months or even years for necessary treatment....



    ....ask yourself, when it comes to immigration, "whats in it for me? Whats in it for my children and the children of my fellow countrymen?"

    Yes, lots of irish people have emigrated in the past, and its a done deal now. Cant change it. Are you willing to have your child/family have a worse future in order to accommodate others, in order to feel righteous? Probably the biggest reason for young people emigrating today is BECAUSE jobs are scarce, BECAUSE homes are out of reach, BECAUSE infrastructure is overloaded.

    Yes, this post is anti-immigration. But it is quite simply reality. Stopping immigration isn't going to solve all the problems above, but it damn sure is making them MUCH worse. Imagine having a house that is in rag order, place is in bits. Lets say the walls are in bad shape and you need to fix them, some heavy duty work is needed. Now imagine that the house is packed to the brim with old sofas, TV's, rubbish etc. And someone keeps stopping by everyday to drop in more clutter. The stuff around the house isn't the main problem, the walls are. But you cant fix the walls with the ever-increasing amount of clutter. Its a logical sequence. You HAVE to tidy up the house before you can get around to the main problem, and you especially need to tell that bloke to stop brining more clutter in each day!

    And although it might seem to be an off-topic rant, it is directly related to the latest attack in London. I don't want that here in my country, and I don't care if 1 in a thousand is a bad guy. Try explaining the "theyre not all bad people" to any of the families of the French, German and English people whos loved ones have been murdered.

    Don't import problems, Ireland! Theres nothing in it for us except idealism, and your children wont survive on idealism. Its reality time, and humanitarianism and idealism are luxuries that few can afford. And if you think its just going to be a few killings every now and then, it is INEVITABLE that it will get much worse. We have enough problems already, so wake up and smell the coffee beans!

    txdr


  • Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    snowflaker wrote: »
    It wasn't mentioned before now???


    I know and you said it! I won a long weekend for two to Raqqa for a tolerance seminar.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Depp


    Omackeral wrote: »
    I'd say the fella doing the stabbing and the auld mowing people down is more guilty. Just a hunch.

    people dont spontaneously radicalize, and the people who radicalize them are inherently more evil


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,106 ✭✭✭Christy42


    Omackeral wrote: »
    I know we have Blasphemy laws but you're 100% spot on with this. Nobody is gonna threaten your life or livelyhood if you draw God or Jesus or Buddha or the Spaghetti Monster.

    The big issue I find is the discussion about issues in Islam can never really be had in a level headed way. You always end up with people shouting about banning them all or other such nonsense and you end up arguing against them instead of getting into a proper debate and discuss various issues.

    Take this thread for instance. We have an entire political stance (and the one that spear headed all the great change in social issues in Ireland over the last 20 years) being labelled a mental disorder. The stance does not suggest a reasoned debate will follow.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭Yourself isit


    snowflaker wrote: »
    Can we play Alt-right bingo with the posts?

    Why don't you actual try come up with an argument rather than going "boo! Alt right".


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,093 ✭✭✭gitzy16v


    snowflaker wrote: »
    Can we play Alt-right bingo with the posts?

    Can you fcuk off like you said you would earlier?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Omackeral wrote:
    I'd say the fella doing the stabbing and the auld mowing people down is more guilty. Just a hunch.


    True but a lot would depend on his mental health.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Depp


    True but a lot would depend on his mental health.

    you can be perfectly mentally healthy and still fall victim to indoctrination/brainwashing


  • Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Depp wrote: »
    people dont spontaneously radicalize, and the people who radicalize them are inherently more evil

    They're all dirt. If you believe your religion is worth killing for, you should start with yourself and just leave it there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 672 ✭✭✭pangbang


    That's an excellent point! Sarcasm aside, do you dispute any of those things? I mean to say, if you take immigration out of the equation, do you dispute our reduced infrastructural ability, less jobs, more debt, unaffordable housing etc?

    Now add in immigration. Is immigration adding to the problems, or ameliorating the problems?

    Its simply pragmatism. Brutal and harsh, and admittedly sad, but still reality nonetheless.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,298 ✭✭✭coco0981


    gitzy16v wrote: »
    Can you fcuk off like you said you would earlier?

    Charming


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭snowflaker


    Why don't you actual try come up with an argument rather than going "boo! Alt right".

    Have you read any of my other posts?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭donkeykong5


    gitzy16v wrote: »
    snowflaker wrote: »
    Can we play Alt-right bingo with the posts?

    Can you fcuk off like you said you would earlier?
    Cheers. That made me laugh out loud.


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