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  • #812
    Notavirus.exe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 832 ✭✭✭Notavirus.exe


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I see the shrieking about "retards" gets a little shriller. It doesn't get any less unpleasant.

    Relax. And I'll explain your own point to you again.

    Nationalism is an ideology. The IRA were Irish Nationalists.
    Islam, like any religious faith, is an ideology. ISIS are Islamic fundamentalists.

    YES, BUT NOT ALL IRISH PEOPLE ARE IN THE IRA.

    All Muslims follow a violent ideology - Islam. Are you a troll? Good job if so.


  • #813
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Grayson wrote: »
    There's a guy who did an analysis of the old testament, new testament and the koran. Both old and new testament are more violent than the Koran. Apparently the old testament is twice as violent as the Koran.


    I'm always amused when people say that islam is a violent ideology and christianity isn't. They haven't read the books.

    Can't recall the last time off hand that people were slaughtered en masse in the name of Jesus Christ apart from maybe Brevik? Was he in the name of JC or against Islam? I'm sure you could link me to one or two instances probably but I'm sure your everyday blue collar guy/gal could list a slew of Islamic attacks from memory.


  • #814
    coco0981
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,298 ✭✭✭coco0981


    Notavirus.exe wrote: »
    Here is a clear explanation for all you liberal retards, who think that all Irish people should be treated the same as all Muslims because of the IRA and ISIS, as to why you are stupid for believing so:

    -Being Irish is a nationality
    -Being a Muslim is an ideology

    -Some Asians are Muslims
    -Some Irish people were IRA members

    -Being Irish means you were born in Ireland
    -Being a Muslim means you follow a violent and disgusting book.

    Hopefully that explains why you can't compare being Irish to being a Muslim and why banning all Irish people is NOT the same as banning all Muslims.
    But once again, no one is being banned, so calm down and stop having a nervous breakdown at the thought of some Muslim getting his feelings hurt.

    So all Muslims are fundamentalists are they? Just like all Irish were IRA supporters in the the 80's 90's


  • #815
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 22,384 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Notavirus.exe wrote: »
    YES, BUT NOT ALL IRISH PEOPLE ARE IN THE IRA.

    All Muslims follow a violent ideology - Islam. Are you a troll? Good job if so.

    And not all Muslims are terrorists either.

    I suspect many in the IRA were brought up as Catholics. A religion that has underpinned genocides in Europe, like the Ustase's campaign in the Balkans accompanied by the forced conversion of huge numbers. We don't have to go back to the Crusades at all.


  • #816
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 19,178 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Notavirus.exe wrote: »
    YES, BUT NOT ALL IRISH PEOPLE ARE IN THE IRA.

    All Muslims follow a violent ideology - Islam. Are you a troll? Good job if so.

    Islam is no more violent than Christianity.
    NOT ALL MUSLIMS ARE TERRORISTS.


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  • #817
    Depp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Depp


    Grayson wrote: »
    What are western values? We were ruled by monarchies until recently. In the last hundred years the continent has gone through imperialism, communism and fascism. It's gone through socialist stages and neo liberalism. Until very recently people could be locked up for being gay.
    In this country we went through oppression, mass immigration, penal laws, and multiple wars. When we finally got independence we went through years of the abuse of children and women in state/church institutions. That's besides the sh1tstorm that is the north.

    The English controlled half the globe, killed millions and stole their resources. At one point they fought a war over the right to sell opium.

    The middle east has been under the control of Europe and then a string of dictators that were helped by Europe and the US. In Iraq alone millions have died as a result of wars and sanctions.

    What are these western values? All the good ones are only around in the last 30-40 years since the end of the second world war and the founding of the EU. Even then we haven't been great.

    Nice little history lesson there though unfortunately its has no relevance to my point, though I did think it was funny how you mentioned how homosexuality used to be illegal here as I can think of an ideology that still promotes this! :rolleyes:

    Anyway the what I referred to as western values is that we in the west enjoy many freedoms be that freedom of sexuality, speech, or for a woman to you know, be allowed to drive a car? Where the clash arises is many of the freedoms we enjoy here are a direct antithesis of the teachings of the quran. Your strawman history lesson is highly dishonest and of no help to the discussion.


  • #818
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Omackeral wrote: »
    Can't recall the last time off hand that people were slaughtered en masse in the name of Jesus Christ apart from maybe Brevik? Was he in the name of JC or against Islam? I'm sure you could link me to one or two instances probably but I'm sure your everyday blue collar guy/gal could list a slew of Islamic attacks from memory.

    In recent times, some examples would be Lebanon, Central African Republic, Uganda, India. There's more if you're interested in researching the subject.


  • #819
    coco0981
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,298 ✭✭✭coco0981


    Notavirus.exe wrote: »
    YES, BUT NOT ALL IRISH PEOPLE ARE IN THE IRA.

    All Muslims follow a violent ideology - Islam. Are you a troll? Good job if so.

    1.6 billion Muslim terrorists so is there?


  • #820
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,833 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    The_Kew_Tour wrote: »
    Your talking about times when many were not born.

    By your talking the we have great excuse to be bombing the hell out of England, sure we been ruled by them for 800 years.

    Excuses after excuses from people like you.

    Its tirseome, its regressive and it just goes around in circles and most of all its banging your head against the wall stuff

    I'm asking what these western values are. In the multiculturalism thread most people think that this has always been around. It hasn't. Even earlier in this thread people were arguing when it was said that we have it good right now. We are extremely lucky to live in a society like we do and it's only recently that this existed.
    If anything our liberal ideology that we have now (and that so many right wingers hate) isn't western. It just happens to exist in the west right now. There's no reason to suppose that it was always going to work out this way. People seem to think that there's a teleological aspect to it. It's almost like the US and their idea of manifest destiny.

    Still, even if you look at the world over the last 20 years, you'll see that western countries are responsible for far more deaths than the east is. We live in a relatively peaceful oasis but thanks to our actions there's wars and deaths around the world.


  • #821
    humanji
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    Notavirus.exe wrote: »
    YES, BUT NOT ALL IRISH PEOPLE ARE IN THE IRA.

    All Muslims follow a violent ideology - Islam. Are you a troll? Good job if so.

    God, it shouldn't be this difficult.

    Nationalism is an ideology. Simply being a nationalist doesn't make you a killer. Extremists kill. the IRA are extremist nationalist.

    Islam is an ideology. Simply being Muslim doesn't make you a killer. Extremists kill. ISIS are extremist Muslims.

    Is there any hope of understanding that? Should I simplify? Extremists = bad.


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  • #822
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    bubblypop wrote: »
    NOT ALL MUSLIMS ARE TERRORISTS.

    Agree 100%. Couldn't agree more. I know plenty of Muslims who are just normal blokes, working away from week to week just trying to make ends meet, like the rest of us.


    bubblypop wrote: »
    Islam is no more violent than Christianity.

    Extreme/Radical Islam is much more violent than any form of present day Christianity though, and that's what you're dealing with in these situations.


  • #823
    silverharp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    Deleted User wrote: »
    And not all Muslims are terrorists either.

    I suspect many in the IRA were brought up as Catholics. A religion that has underpinned genocides in Europe, like the Ustase's campaign in the Balkans accompanied by the forced conversion of huge numbers. We don't have to go back to the Crusades at all.

    you cant tell the difference of a religion based on the life of a hippy and one based on a warlord and a rapist? where Mo is the final word and its impossible to only interpret the founding documents in a benign way

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • #824
    Call Me Jimmy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,449 ✭✭✭Call Me Jimmy


    There is not a declared holy war from a Christian terrorist organisation. If there was I'd say let's focus on pulling apart that ideology any way we can. Like we just routed catholicism in this country as soon as it was safe for people to ridicule and criticise it. Why do people who just got us out from under the catholic church (largely), be in any way defending another religion that has a grip on people and societies. Were we racist against ourselves when we laughed at Father Ted?


  • #825
    Depp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Depp


    bubblypop wrote: »
    Islam is no more violent than Christianity.
    NOT ALL MUSLIMS ARE TERRORISTS.

    you can argue all day who is worse between christianity/the ira and islam, however the fact remains, we do not live in a christian theocracy, the ira do not control Ireland. the entire argument is irrelevant


  • #826
    Notavirus.exe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 832 ✭✭✭Notavirus.exe


    bubblypop wrote: »
    Islam is no more violent than Christianity.
    NOT ALL MUSLIMS ARE TERRORISTS.

    Christians loving their enemies and turning the other cheek is just as violent as ISIS? Are you serious?

    Please explain. And don't refer to anything the Catholic church has done, because Catholicism is not Christianity.


  • #827
    homerjay2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,346 ✭✭✭✭homerjay2005


    every thread on here is the same now when this happens unfortunately.
    OP - "oh no, a terror attack has happened again".

    poster 1 - "truely awful... i wonder who did this?"
    posted 2 - "we dont know yet, it could be anybody"
    poster 3 - "we all know who did it"
    poster 2 - "how dare you blame muslims"
    poster 3 - "who mentioned muslims"
    poster 2 - "IRA, Catholicas are terrorists too bla bla bla"

    and so on and so on.


  • #828
    Ronaldinho
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 829 ✭✭✭Ronaldinho


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Well, let's go down that road. If the Christian West wasn't bombing Muslim countries, if the Christian West hadn't colonised much of North Africa, if the Ottomans hadn't invaded much of Europe, if the crusades...

    Ask yourself this: If Syrian, Egyptian, Pakistani, and Saudi forces had been invading and bombing various countries across Europe for decades, and levelling various churches and cathedrals, do you think that a few atrocities might be carried out in those countries in the name of Christianity? Huh?

    To your first point, the "Christian West". I see those two words as co-incidental. The West subjugating North Africa was about imperialism, greed, power projection. Had nothing to do with religion in my view. And yes foreign policy regarding the Middle East has been a cluster muck for the past century or more. We can't change any of that now though.

    On your second point. In that hypothetical situation, no doubt - there would be insurgency. Would it be carried out strictly in the name of Christianity? I'm not so sure. I'd have said freedom more so. Certainly in 2017 I think more Europeans identify with the ideas of democracy and freedom than they do to any particular religion.

    What do you think the West should do to try to curb the frequency of these terrorist attacks?


  • #829
    Mutant z
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭Mutant z


    When are the liberal loons ever going to wake the hell up, and stop apoligising for radical islam.


  • #830
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Notavirus.exe wrote: »
    Christians loving their enemies and turning the other cheek is just as violent as ISIS? Are you serious?

    Please explain. And don't refer to anything the Catholic church has done, because Catholicism is not Christianity.


    Btw, all religion is absolute regressive cancer.


  • #831
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Call Me Jimmy wrote: »
    There is not a declared holy war from a Christian terrorist organisation. If there was I'd say let's focus on pulling apart that ideology any way we can. Like we just routed catholicism in this country as soon as it was safe for people to ridicule and criticise it. Why do people who just got us out from under the catholic church (largely), be in any way defending another religion that has a grip on people and societies. Were we racist against ourselves when we laughed at Father Ted?

    Here's one.

    It's a bona fide holy war.


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  • #832
    Depp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Depp


    Grayson wrote: »
    I'm asking what these western values are. In the multiculturalism thread most people think that this has always been around. It hasn't. Even earlier in this thread people were arguing when it was said that we have it good right now. We are extremely lucky to live in a society like we do and it's only recently that this existed.
    If anything our liberal ideology that we have now (and that so many right wingers hate) isn't western. It just happens to exist in the west right now. There's no reason to suppose that it was always going to work out this way. People seem to think that there's a teleological aspect to it. It's almost like the US and their idea of manifest destiny.

    Still, even if you look at the world over the last 20 years, you'll see that western countries are responsible for far more deaths than the east is. We live in a relatively peaceful oasis but thanks to our actions there's wars and deaths around the world.

    so your basic point is because we didn't enjoy the freedoms and values we have now 20 years ago we dont have them at all? you're making very little sense at the minute you're too buried in hyperbole and strawmanning.


  • #833
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,872 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Mutant z wrote: »
    When are the liberal loons ever going to wake the hell up, and stop apoligising for radical islam.

    Who has done this?


  • #834
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,833 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    In recent times, some examples would be Lebanon, Central African Republic, Uganda, India. There's more if you're interested in researching the subject.

    See, the way it works is that if a christian does it

    1) they weren't proper christians and were misinterpreting all the violent stuff there
    or
    2) It's stupid to say all christians are like that. Christianity isn't violent at all.

    If a muslim does something then
    1) Don't deflect and say he wasn't a proper muslim.
    2) Of course islam is violent and all muslims follow a violent religion.


  • #835
    Depp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Depp


    Mutant z wrote: »
    When are the liberal loons ever going to wake the hell up, and stop apoligising for radical islam.

    B-b-b-b-but the crusades! B-b-b-b-but the ira!


  • #836
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,833 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Mutant z wrote: »
    When are the liberal loons ever going to wake the hell up, and stop apoligising for radical islam.

    Has anyone at all ever done that? Or is it possible you're just delusional.


  • #837
    humanji
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    Mutant z wrote: »
    When are the liberal loons ever going to wake the hell up, and stop apoligising for radical islam.
    Not a single person on this thread has done that, as far as I can see.


  • #838
    Notavirus.exe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 832 ✭✭✭Notavirus.exe


    Mutant z wrote: »
    When are the liberal loons ever going to wake the hell up, and stop apoligising for radical islam.

    The liberals want to prevent a Muslim from getting their feelings hurt more than they want to prevent a Muslim hurting/killing someone because Islam said to.

    I'm sorry, but the lives of the people of Europe are more important in my heart than the feelings of someone who subscribes themselves to a backwards, mediaeval ideology. Political correctness has killed innocent Europeans, liberalism is killing us.


  • #839
    Depp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Depp


    Grayson wrote: »
    See, the way it works is that if a christian does it

    1) they weren't proper christians and were misinterpreting all the violent stuff there
    or
    2) It's stupid to say all christians are like that. Christianity isn't violent at all.

    If a muslim does something then
    1) Don't deflect and say he wasn't a proper muslim.
    2) Of course islam is violent and all muslims follow a violent religion.

    If a christian does something and claims christianity. They are evil and wrong.
    If a muslim does something and claims islam. They are evil and wrong.
    If an atheist does something and claims he felt like it he is evil and wrong.

    What point are you even trying to make here? Christianity was bad so we should fucking leave them at it?


  • #840
    coco0981
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,298 ✭✭✭coco0981


    Notavirus.exe wrote: »
    Christians loving their enemies and turning the other cheek is just as violent as ISIS? Are you serious?

    Please explain. And don't refer to anything the Catholic church has done, because Catholicism is not Christianity.

    You really need to get yourself a history book and an old testament bible


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  • #841
    Richard Hillman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    Mutant z wrote: »
    When are the liberal loons ever going to wake the hell up, and stop apoligising for radical islam.

    Very hard to help suicidal people. It takes professional help and self actualisation.

    Islam is not the greatest threat to our greatest civilisation. The enemy within is our greatest enemy. We need to eradicate the enemy within before we obliterate the enemy outside.

    The media are our number one spot for eradicating our enemy.


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