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  • #362
    end of the road
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    Omackeral wrote: »
    Whoever referenced that Black Mirror episode earlier was bang on the money. There's a member of Scotland Yard giving a press conference live on Sky News down by the Thames and the amount of absolute gombeens with their phones obnoxiously out in front of them recording is ridiculous.

    indeed. unfortunately these attention seekers are only going to increase and get more desperate for attention and fame. well, facebook fame anyway.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #363
    Canis Lupus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,880 ✭✭✭Canis Lupus


    Hank Scorpio wrote: »
    Anniversary of the Belgium attacks, Its unfair the media use the term Asian to protect these animals.

    RIP to the victims.

    It's a surprisingly common term there. When I was but a fresh faced Kerryman who headed over to London to live I flat shared with a girl from India who referred to herself as Asian, plenty of her friends said the same.


  • #364
    conorhal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,063 ✭✭✭conorhal


    Omackeral wrote: »
    Political correctness exists according to 97% of people here on Boards.ie. Either you're wrong or literally nearly everyone else is.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057712641

    The only people you ever hear claiming that politically correct SJWs don't exist are invariably exactly the same people that match their description.

    Are they attempting some kind of SJW Jedi Mindtrick? 'These are not the libtards you are looking for...'


    .


  • #365
    [Deleted User]
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    seamus wrote: »
    Remember folks, a man shouting "Britain First" while he stabs a politician in broad daylight is just a mentally unstable loner.

    A middle eastern man who drives car through pedestrians before trying to attack a heavily guarded building with a kitchen knife is an agent of a highly sophisticated international terror plot. No way he's a lone lunatic. That's just off the wall.
    Yes, and the incidence of both are the same like.:rolleyes:

    Seriously this whole "sure we're all as bad as each other" rubbish doesn't help anybody. If vegans made up 3% of the population but were responsible for a majority of attacks then would we be afraid to point it out? All this rubbish does is shore up the far-right, as anyone with a brain can see the whole "Oh sure it's nothing to do with religion" argument is complete bull. However this one plays out, the fact remains that a disproportionate amount of attacks are planned and perpetrated by muslims.


  • #366
    Widdershins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,633 ✭✭✭✭Widdershins


    seamus wrote: »
    Remember folks, a man shouting "Britain First" while he stabs a politician in broad daylight is just a mentally unstable loner.

    A middle eastern man who drives car through pedestrians before trying to attack a heavily guarded building with a kitchen knife is an agent of a highly sophisticated international terror plot. No way he's a lone lunatic. That's just off the wall.

    Except the first was generally described as a right wing extremist and it was followed by discussions on the ''rise of the right wing'' iirc.

    And there is an international terror plot, have you missed it? So really, it's not an absurd thing to contemplate.


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  • #367
    donkeykong5
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    Omackeral wrote: »
    Whoever referenced that Black Mirror episode earlier was bang on the money. There's a member of Scotland Yard giving a press conference live on Sky News down by the Thames and the amount of absolute gombeens with their phones obnoxiously out in front of them recording is ridiculous.
    They are known as reporters. They are doing their job. !


  • #368
    ThisRegard
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    Photo is not perfectly clear around his face, but he looked of African descent to me.


  • #369
    Neon_Lights
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    Political correctness is what's wrong in the world today nobody can call a spade a spade anymore


  • #370
    ceadaoin.
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    Canis Lupus wrote: »
    It's a surprisingly common term there. When I was but a fresh faced Kerryman who headed over to London to live I flat shared with a girl from India who referred to herself as Asian, plenty of her friends said the same.

    Yes, why do people act like this is a new thing every time it comes up? In the UK, "Asian" has always been used to refer to people of indian/Pakistani/Sri Lankan heritage


  • #371
    Gbear
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    sReq | uTeK wrote: »
    The sad thing is that I've become accustomed to these reports, their shock value has all but dissipated.

    What a horrible world we live in, and what a horrible horrible world our kids are set to inherit.

    And yet it's the safest it's ever been.

    The absolutely most important thing to remember about terrorism is that it doesn't pose any serious threat in itself (barring massive nuclear or chemical attacks) and the extent to which we let it govern our lives is almost entirely within our own hands.

    What has happened today is obviously a tragedy, but while the shock of this type of attack has waned, there's still shock that there's been any loss of life and that reflects on how insulated most people are from mortality in our modern world, and that's very much a good thing.

    Centuries of sending all the peasants charging into walls of pikes, rifles or machineguns, total war, equally powerful nations facing off with devastating firepower... that's the world our parents or grandparents had to deal with.
    The one we've inherited is far safer and the one inherited by our children will likely be safer still.

    It's important to hold these kinds of attacks in context.

    The threat they pose only becomes significant if they begin to happen in large numbers.


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  • #372
    b_mac2
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    DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »
    The end goal is a global caliphate, then there will be peace.

    Unless you're a woman.


  • #373
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,537 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Omackeral wrote: »
    Political correctness exists according to 97% of people here on Boards.ie. Either you're wrong or literally nearly everyone else is.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057712641

    it doesn't. i'm not wrong. trust in me as i shall provide the truth and nothing but.
    Neon_Lights wrote: »
    Very highly indicative, who says a public body is the medium for truth anyway most of them lie through their teeth

    well, i think i will stick to believing them over a clame on boards.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #374
    chupacabra
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    BBC just reported that a police officer has died.


  • #375
    Widdershins
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    b_mac2 wrote: »
    Unless you're a woman.

    Well it would probably be peaceful if you were dead alright. Otherwise you'd want a strange idea of peace.


  • #376
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,833 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    For my daughters sake, I really wish I could believe that. It's not just terror attacks, there's climate change, the threat of large scale war, environmental toxins...the whole world is going to sh!t it seems

    I'll agree with you about climate change and the wars/migrations that will come with it.
    Hopefully the recent blip in terrorism will settle down again.


  • #377
    ScumLord
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    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    For my daughters sake, I really wish I could believe that. It's not just terror attacks, there's climate change, the threat of large scale war, environmental toxins...the whole world is going to sh!t it seems
    Over all it's much better. We're at war with a set of people that can't really put up much opposition, this attack is what they've been reduced to. The US and UK have a massive militaries with airplanes, ships, guided missiles, professional fighters, the list goes on and on. Terrorists have a set of car keys and a machete. Compared to the 1940s when the enemy was as powerful as the allies it's no comparison at all.

    If the UK and US weren't involved in Muslim countries carrying out military strikes the extremists may find it very difficult to find volunteers, it's not easy to convince a family man to fight if there's no reason to, if you kill his family you make conflict with him inevitable.


  • #378
    end of the road
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    Neon_Lights wrote: »
    Political correctness is what's wrong in the world today nobody can call a spade a spade anymore


    they can. they will just have to provide proof of their claims though.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #379
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,833 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Neon_Lights wrote: »
    Political correctness is what's wrong in the world today nobody can call a spade a spade anymore

    Nothing to do with drone killings, ISIS, dictators/warlords, dysfunctional democracies, wealth inequality and wars. It's the PC guys that are the problem.


  • #380
    Christy42
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    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    Yes, why do people act like this is a new thing every time it comes up? In the UK, "Asian" has always been used to refer to people of indian/Pakistani/Sri Lankan heritage

    It is almost as if those countries are in Asia too!

    Anyway as far as I could tell it all came from a witness who said Asian. This is what the media reported so unless Hank wanted the media to make assumptions without evidence then they really had to report Asian as that is the information they had.


  • #381
    PeterTheNinth
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    Sky News showing footage of the attacker being bandaged up and carefully put into the back of an ambulance... he drove over three teenage french students... Would it not just have been easier to set fire to him?


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  • #382
    emo72
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    end of the road wrote: »
    it doesn't. i'm not wrong. trust in me as i shall provide the truth and nothing but.

    you sound like messianic politician.


  • #383
    Gatling
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    One of the victims was found in the Thames lucky they were found
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  • #384
    cnocbui
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    Neon_Lights wrote: »
    Political correctness is what's wrong in the world today nobody can call a spade a spade anymore

    Correct. They are a fifth column - the enemy within.


  • #385
    Skylinehead
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    end of the road wrote: »
    it doesn't. i'm not wrong. trust in me as i shall provide the truth and nothing but.



    well, i think i will stick to believing them over a clame on boards.

    Mod: Stop with the endless PC soapboxing please. Irrelevant.


  • #386
    conorhal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,063 ✭✭✭conorhal


    Neon_Lights wrote: »
    Problem is nobody is willing to "eradicate" the problem, this all stems from the wars in the middle east, no matter what way you look at it

    The online magazine called 'Inspire' (sic) published by Al Qaeda in the Arabian peninsula was reported to have been downloaded 55 thousand times by UK IP addresses in 3 months last year
    It's sort of an 'anarchists handbook' for Islamists that includes information on how to build home made bombs and specifically encourages these types of lone wolf attacks. It was used by the Boston bombers and frequently includes hit lists (in 2013 is called for the murder of the Charlie Hebdo editor) and suggests using concrete blocks to derail trains and driving trucks into large crowds.
    No I can't claim that all 55k downloads were for nefarious purposes, but 600 people a day downloading this stuff in your country is a worrying fact.


  • #387
    FrancieBrady
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    Grayson wrote: »
    I'll agree with you about climate change and the wars/migrations that will come with it.
    Hopefully the recent blip in terrorism will settle down again.

    I don't mean to minimise the suffering today in any way. But it is a very low level attack (if it is a radical Islamist attack) and smacks more of desperation than an escalation.
    The ability to attack in a large scale way seems very diminished.


  • #388
    Kermit.de.frog
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    I'm too lazy to catch up. Can someone just tell me was this a Muslamic attack?


  • #389
    end of the road
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    chupacabra wrote: »
    BBC just reported that a police officer has died.


    yes just confirmed via lbc. rip

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #390
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Seriously this whole "sure we're all as bad as each other" rubbish doesn't help anybody. If vegans made up 3% of the population but were responsible for a majority of attacks then would we be afraid to point it out? All this rubbish does is shore up the far-right, as anyone with a brain can see the whole "Oh sure it's nothing to do with religion" argument is complete bull. However this one plays out, the fact remains that a disproportionate amount of attacks are planned and perpetrated by muslims.
    In recent times, sure. No doubting that. Before the muslims, it was the catholics.

    My point is that by ascribing far more agency to lone loony attacks than they're due, you're actually compounding the problem that creates them in the first place.
    Muslim guy attacks <something> - "He's a member of a muslim terrorist organisation!!" - "Muslims are out to kill us all!!" - fear increases - racism increases - discrimination against Muslims increases - Muslim with mental health issues is sick of being discriminated against - He pledges allegiance to to ISIS and randomly attacks <something> - "He's a member of a muslim terrorist organisation!!"

    And so forth.

    And what actually happens is that you make people afraid of the terrorist organisation who didn't really have anything to do with the attack and you miss the more immediate concern about your society.

    Stop labelling every random attack a "terrorist attack". A mentally ill person who carries out an attack is mentally ill whether they shout "Britain First", or "Allu Ahkbar", "Tiocfaidh ár la". Claiming membership of ISIS doesn't suddenly mean he's an elite holy soldier following a sophisticated plan.


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  • #391
    Grayson
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    conorhal wrote: »
    The online magazine called 'Inspire' (sic) published by Al Qaeda in the Arabian peninsula was reported to have been downloaded 55 thousand times by UK IP addresses in 3 months last year
    It's sort of an 'anarchists handbook' for Islamists that includes information on how to build home made bombs and specifically encourages these types of lone wolf attacks. It was used by the Boston bombers and frequently includes hit lists (in 2013 is called for the murder of the Charlie Hebdo editor) and suggests using concrete blocks to derail trains and driving trucks into large crowds.
    No I can't claim that all 55k downloads were for nefarious purposes, but 600 people a day downloading this stuff in your country is a worrying fact.

    I downloaded the anarchists cookbook about 20 years ago. Was just interested in what was in it. I'd be terrified to do that now.


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