Rescue 116 Crash at Blackrock, Co Mayo(Mod note in post 1)

Gadgetman496 · 21-03-2017 05:18PM

Storm 10 wrote: »

Rescue 115 was heading for the search area but has diverted to the Aran Islands, now heading to Galway Hospital.

Just passed over me now and has landed.

I'm so used to seeing them on a daily basis but seeing them just now pulled at the heart strings.

livedadream · 21-03-2017 05:19PM

can anyone tell us what 118 going to the area means?
and 115 diverting? could they have been found?

Tabnabs · 21-03-2017 05:23PM

livedadream wrote: »

can anyone tell us what 118 going to the area means?
and 115 diverting? could they have been found?

Could well be just a normal day at the office for them and SAR work continuing as usual.

Gadgetman496 · 21-03-2017 05:25PM

livedadream wrote: »

can anyone tell us what 118 going to the area means?
and 115 diverting? could they have been found?

It's business as usual for these guy's and when they can they assist in the search. It was probably 115's turn to head up from Shannon but got diverted to an unrelated call from Aran, as it was so near it took that task and I'd imagine R118 took it's place and headed to the search area.

cosanostra · 21-03-2017 05:26PM

livedadream wrote: »

can anyone tell us what 118 going to the area means?
and 115 diverting? could they have been found?

115 got a shout to aran islands on route to Blacksod so 118 took their place and is heading to blacksod now, they need to do searches of coastline for anything that might get washed up the easiest way of doing this is with the helicopter

Veloce · 21-03-2017 05:27PM

Grainuale is situated to the East. Does anyone know the exact area of interest on Blackrock Island? I read a few days ago that the area was concentrated 50-60m from the lighthouse to the Southwest.

irishgeo · 21-03-2017 05:27PM

Read they are hoping for a window at 5am tomorrow. Granuaile anchoring tonight in the hope of getting the window and divers in the water for 6am.

Veloce · 21-03-2017 05:29PM

Got ya. Thanks. I can see it's pretty much stopped.

Fingers crossed they find the rest of the crew.

livedadream · 21-03-2017 05:30PM

Thanks guys, my BF is up there so comms are slow and few and far between atm.
thought it might mean they had gone for a dive and recovered.
I cant imagine how the families feel being up there at the moment.

21-03-2017 05:33PM

Veloce wrote: »

Grainuale is situated to the East. Does anyone know the exact area of interest on Blackrock Island? I read a few days ago that the area was concentrated 50-60m from the lighthouse to the Southwest.

Very very close to Grainuales current position south east to east south east of Blackrock.

Veloce · 21-03-2017 05:36PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Very very close to Grainuales current position south east to east south east of Blackrock.

Thanks for that. I was wondering - I had it in my mind that they were to search the westerly side of the Island - so that makes sense.

Edit - it looks like they are still about 1km to the east of Blackrock though.

Storm 10 · 21-03-2017 05:39PM

Gadgetman496 wrote: »

Just passed over me now and has landed.

I'm so used to seeing them on a daily basis but seeing them just now pulled at the heart strings.

The Air Corps Air Ambulance has been in and out a few times this week and to see people stopping their cars to watch her land and lift has certainly opened up peoples minds as to what the emergency services do and we take for granted

Gadgetman496 · 21-03-2017 05:45PM

What site are ye guy's using to track the helicopters?

Oscar Bravo · 21-03-2017 05:46PM

this one here https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:-10/centery:54/zoom:10

21-03-2017 06:08PM

Veloce wrote: »

Thanks for that. I was wondering - I had it in my mind that they were to search the westerly side of the Island - so that makes sense.

Edit - it looks like they are still about 1km to the east of Blackrock though.

Possibly staying in the lee of the rock to avoid the worst of the waves and swell till early doors and then they'll move to the correct dive position.

brookers · 21-03-2017 06:12PM

Just wondering when they find the flight recorder, examine the wreckage and the report comes out based on all their information regarding the cause of the accident, is that report private...?

Water John · 21-03-2017 06:16PM

No, report made public.

beanian · 21-03-2017 06:17PM

brookers wrote: »

Just wondering when they find the flight recorder, examine the wreckage and the report comes out based on all their information regarding the cause of the accident, is that report private...?

Absolutely not, they are fully public. You can access them here http://www.aaiu.ie/reports/aaiu-investigation-reports

Also you can subscribe to their mailing list so you get an email when they release a new one

Gadgetman496 · 21-03-2017 06:35PM

Oscar Bravo wrote: »

this one here https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:-10/centery:54/zoom:10

What criteria do you use to search for a particular craft?

I have tried The reg of each S92 but not getting anything.
EI-ICG
EI-ICU
EI-ICA
EI-ICR
EI-ICD

Also, does anyone know which Reg equates to the R115,R116, R117 and R118?

Mech1 · 21-03-2017 06:50PM

SAR 250002897 Vessel SAR Aircraft [IE]
SAR 250002898 Vessel SAR Aircraft [IE]
SAR 250002899 Vessel SAR Aircraft [IE]
SAR 250002902 Vessel SAR Aircraft [IE]
SAR 250002901 Vessel SAR Aircraft [IE]
SAR 250000806 Vessel SAR Aircraft [IE]
SAR 250002900

Try some of those

.G. · 21-03-2017 07:05PM

I'm not an aviator and I'm learning as I go but CFIT is coming up a lot here so I have to ask, why does it have to be "controlled" flight into terrain . Is there another term for "uncontrolled" flight into terrain or is CFIT the only one used. I ask cos my first thought was something catastrophic may happened the Heli and the crew couldn't prevent it hitting the rock. That wouldn't be "controlled" in my book.

CardinalJ · 21-03-2017 07:07PM

R11x is just a call sign based on where the crew is based. Doesnt guarantee any particular heli.

EI-ICR is the one that has crashed.

21-03-2017 07:08PM

superg wrote: »

I'm not an aviator and I'm learning as I go but CFIT is coming up a lot here so I have to ask, why does it have to be "controlled" flight into terrain . Is there another term for "uncontrolled" flight into terrain or is CFIT the only one used. I ask cos my first thought was something catastrophic may happened the Heli and the crew couldn't prevent it hitting the rock. That wouldn't be "controlled" in my book.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controlled_flight_into_terrain

http://www.skybrary.aero/index.php/Controlled_Flight_Into_Terrain_(CFIT)

21-03-2017 07:11PM

CardinalJ wrote: »

R11x is just a call sign based on where the crew is based. Doesnt guarantee any particular heli.

EI-ICR is the one that has crashed.

and an expansion of this answer

Rescue 936 will always be the first standby aircraft at Caernarfon (currently GJ).

The full callsign scheme will be:
West Coast:
Stornoway - S-92A - Rescue 948 / 949 - operational
Prestwick - AW189 - Rescue 999 / 990
Caernarfon - S-92A - Rescue 936 / 937 - operational
St Athan - AW189 - Rescue 987 / 988 - (AW139s expected shortly)
Newquay - S-92A - Rescue 924 / 925

East Coast:
Sumburgh - S-92A - Rescue 900 / 901 - operational
Inverness - AW189 - Rescue 951 / 952 - (temporarily operational with S-92As)
Humberside - S-92A - Rescue 912 / 913 - operational

South Coast:
Lydd - AW189 - Rescue 963 / 964 - (working up with AW139s)
Lee on Solent - AW189 - Rescue 975 / 976

Ireland:
Shannon - S-92A - Rescue 115
Dublin - S-92A - Rescue 116
Waterford - S-92A - Rescue 117
Sligo - S-92A - Rescue 118
(all Irish stations fully operational)

ectoraige · 21-03-2017 07:16PM

superg wrote: »

I'm not an aviator and I'm learning as I go but CFIT is coming up a lot here so I have to ask, why does it have to be "controlled" flight into terrain . Is there another term for "uncontrolled" flight into terrain or is CFIT the only one used. I ask cos my first thought was something catastrophic may happened the Heli and the crew couldn't prevent it hitting the rock. That wouldn't be "controlled" in my book.

CFIT only really applies when the aircraft is fit to fly and responding correctly to the pilot's inputs. In other words, there's no mechanical reason that the accident could not have been avoided. An example would be a pilot who enters a dead-end valley and doesn't begin to climb or turn until it's too late and ends up hitting a mountain. The accident could have been avoided if the pilot hadn't made the decisions they made.

Nothing about this incident makes me think CFIT is the most likely explanation. A mechanical failure followed by a failed emergency landing on blackrock seems most plausible, but that must be a terrifying thought for the crews flying the rest of the fleet.

air · 21-03-2017 07:31PM

Hard to see why a pilot would select a tiny helipad perched on a rock and at or above the cloud base as the location for an emergency landing. Surely ditching into the sea would be a far preferable option. Any emergency landing is going to have a fair component of forward speed when it hits the ground, it wouldn't be realistic to expect to stay on that pad.

mulbot · 21-03-2017 07:53PM

Does anyone know if the data entered into the navigation system(s) is done by one person or is it cross-checked etc by another crew member?

Mech1 · 21-03-2017 08:15PM

Havent seen this speed timeline image posted anywhere but on this page:http://www.crash-aerien.news/forum/post547874.html?sid=

is it from Marine traffic or elsewhere?

air · 21-03-2017 08:20PM

Marine traffic obviously as it includes draught.

Cianmcliam · 21-03-2017 08:26PM

mulbot wrote: »

Does anyone know if the data entered into the navigation system(s) is done by one person or is it cross-checked etc by another crew member?

The moving map can be seen by both pilots and there's also a map display in the cabin. The article posted earlier said the crews also keep a paper map in front of them during flight. Seems hard to imagine they didn't know their location.

Rescue 116 Crash at Blackrock, Co Mayo(Mod note in post 1)

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