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Rescue 116 Crash at Blackrock, Co Mayo(Mod note in post 1)

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  • #1022
    Storm 10
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    Cianmcliam wrote: »
    But if the AAIU wanted to replicate the flight on the same type with the same instruments and displays then wouldn't R115 be perfect?

    I can see it doing almost exactly the same track but the rest of the trace is like a mess of location glitches.

    Its not doing the exact track as 116 in fact its doing what looks like a very detailed shore line search around Blackrock and the surrounding coastline.


  • #1023
    ElNino
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    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    What kind of lifespan will the battery in the black box have where it will continue to ping its position? I think a typical commercial airliner has enough battery power to send a signal for 30 days.
    Is there a time range where the black box being immersed in water will eventually damage it?

    They have already identified where the black box is so battery life is not an issue. It is really only an issue when they can't locate the black box in the 30 day time frame like with Air France 447.


  • #1024
    wotswattage
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    Storm 10 wrote: »
    Its not doing the exact track as 116 in fact its doing what looks like a very detailed shore line search around Blackrock and the surrounding coastline.

    Look at the track around 10:00UTC its almost identical. R115 then started the coastal searches.


  • #1025
    homerjay2005
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    wotswattage wrote: »
    Look at the track around 10:00UTC its almost identical. R115 then started the coastal searches.

    yep, its identital alright. looks like the investigators are trying to rule in or out a certain theory, that has been doing "the rounds" but cant be posted here and probably never will, unless its actually the cause.


  • #1026
    ForestFire
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    wotswattage wrote: »
    Look at the track around 10:00UTC its almost identical. R115 then started the coastal searches.

    I remember looking at the track of R116 at the time.

    R115 is not identical. The approach to the island is different, The turn is not as steep and they pass the island to the south on the return path.

    It maybe similar and as others have said this is probable that they do the same routine procedure to go from cruise altitude to search/land altitude.


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  • #1027
    Storm 10
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    The track Rescue 116 took on the night took him South of Blacksod Lighthouse and a straight run to Blackrock where he turned and that's where the track finished, I am sure the investigators will do a similar run at some point ,Rescue 115 has covered some ground in that search today, Please God they will locate them soon


  • #1028
    homerjay2005
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    ForestFire wrote: »
    they pass the island to the south on the return path.

    im pretty sure they found what ever they needed to rule in or out, by then. if they continued on the same path, it may not have been safe to do so.


  • #1029
    Storm 10
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    Did any of you take a look at the huge number of foreign trawlers currently fishing off the West Coast, there have been three long range medevac's to this huge fleet in the past few weeks and that is where Rescue 118 went to last Monday night. Given the number of large Trawlers/Factory ships out there you can bet there will be more long range tasking's.

    http://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:-13/centery:54/zoom:8


  • #1030
    ted1
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    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    What kind of lifespan will the battery in the black box have where it will continue to ping its position? I think a typical commercial airliner has enough battery power to send a signal for 30 days.
    Is there a time range where the black box being immersed in water will eventually damage it?

    Data will be stored in memory and they Are confident they have it located in a small area so the battery life is not relevant


  • #1031
    Gadgetman496
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,454 ✭✭✭Gadgetman496


    I wonder if Sikorsky will carry out their own independent investigation or will they simply assist the AAIU investigation?

    "Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid."



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  • #1032
    smurfjed
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,649 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    The investigation shall be conducted by the AAIU, they might be assisted by the NTSB due to country of manufacture and they can request assistance from any source that they desire. This might include the UK if the required technology to decode the FDR/CVR isn't available in Ireland.
    Sikorsky and their lawyers will be keeping a close eye on the investigation


  • #1033
    cosanostra
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    Gadgetman496 wrote: »
    I wonder if Sikorsky will carry out their own independent investigation or will they simply assist the AAIU investigation?

    They have no reason not to trust the AAIU so they will allow them to get on with it and assist as required


  • #1034
    Alkers
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    Call me Al wrote: »
    I wonder, for those of you who think the boat could just head inland, how quickly do you think these ships could make it to land? Skippers don't just decide to just call out the coast guard 150 miles for insignificant injuries.

    Depending on the type of trawler it can take upwards of 12 hours just to retrieve the nets before they can even head to shore..


  • #1035
    jimbis
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    Storm 10 wrote: »
    The track Rescue 116 took on the night took him South of Blacksod Lighthouse and a straight run to Blackrock where he turned and that's where the track finished, I am sure the investigators will do a similar run at some point ,Rescue 115 has covered some ground in that search today, Please God they will locate them soon
    Rescue 116 track from that night for those who haven't seen it.
    Blackrock is roughly where the track ends, Blacksod is where the blue ship furthest to the right is (it was a lifeboat).
    2lasi89.png


  • #1036
    rustynutz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 802 ✭✭✭rustynutz


    jimbis wrote: »
    Rescue 116 track from that night for those who haven't seen it.
    Blackrock is roughly where the track ends, Blacksod is where the blue ship furthest to the right is (it was a lifeboat).
    2lasi89.png

    As a matter of interest where do you get the information showing the track? Is it available to anyone?


  • #1037
    mcgiggles
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    You click on the plane/ boat of interest on that marine traffic site and click on past track and it will show you its last flight tracked..


  • #1038
    cosanostra
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    Can anyone confirm the last known speed of rescue 116


  • #1039
    Gaoth Laidir
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    cosanostra wrote: »
    Can anyone confirm the last known speed of rescue 116

    It was 90 knots but I have seen a later fix of 9 knots posted on pprune


  • #1040
    sparrowcar
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    Gaoth Laidir wrote: »
    It was 90 knots but I have seen a later fix of 9 knots posted on pprune

    Fix from 90 to 9kts or an amend from 90 to +/- 9kts (as in to 81 or 99kts)
    Serious question, hard to explain what I'm asking.


  • #1041
    Buffman
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    Gaoth Laidir wrote: »
    It was 90 knots but I have seen a later fix of 9 knots posted on pprune
    sparrowcar wrote: »
    Fix from 90 to 9kts or an amend from 90 to +/- 9kts (as in to 81 or 99kts)
    Serious question, hard to explain what I'm asking.

    It appears there is a discrepancy with the speed on the last AIS position report on Marinetraffic. For me, speed shows as 90kn in one section and 9kn in another. It could be an IT issue.

    Edit: The second link may not work unless Marinetraffic is already open, but the below 9kn version comes up if I click the red 'latest position' link on the map in the first link.

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  • #1042
    Steve
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    sparrowcar wrote: »
    Fix from 90 to 9kts or an amend from 90 to +/- 9kts (as in to 81 or 99kts)
    Serious question, hard to explain what I'm asking.

    Marinetraffic app shows last AIS report as 90kn/098deg 14MAR 00:46UTC

    Bear in mind that AIS does *not* give continuous reporting, updates are spaced a few minutes apart and have to be in range of a recieving station. It's designed for shipping so it's not like TCAS although modern chart plotters use it to warn of conflicts.

    Edit, AIS uses GPS for position and speed so +/- 9 kts makes no sense.


  • #1043
    jmayo
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    Cianmcliam wrote: »
    What?! They seem to have much better sources, haven't read anything here about the inspection of panels that showed no explosive force or heat damage. They got that from someone inside the investigation.

    From what I gather there is information leaking out of particular sources and it is unoffically doing the rounds.

    Certain journalists always have their contacts and get information that others won't.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • #1044
    endacl
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    TheChizler wrote: »
    Three papers have a headline minimising the extent of the injury the fisherman had. One's referring to the missing fingertip as a cut. Pretty disgusting tactic to create news.

    Need I guess which bastions of journalistic integrity you allude to...?


  • #1045
    Steve
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    Guys, use the other thread to discuss the merits (or lack of) of journalistic integrity please.


  • #1046
    Reati
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    So looking at the charts posted a while back. On a normal landing at blacksod, why would the R116 turn left and towards blackrock. Why wouldn't they have went right.

    No speculation. Just wondering why that particular approach is used.


  • #1047
    Steve
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    Reati wrote: »
    So looking at the charts posted a while back. On a normal landing at blacksod, why would the R116 turn left and towards blackrock. Why wouldn't they have went right.

    No speculation. Just wondering why that particular approach is used.

    I asked that already, afaik it's not a public airfield so there is no defined approach. It's up to the flight crew to navigate.


  • #1048
    Coil Kilcrea
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 215 ✭✭Coil Kilcrea


    Reati wrote: »
    So looking at the charts posted a while back. On a normal landing at blacksod, why would the R116 turn left and towards blackrock. Why wouldn't they have went right.

    No speculation. Just wondering why that particular approach is used.

    I too wondered about this approach since it appeared to be a track direct from the East Coast which I assumed would continue West to provide the top cover. Others more knowledgeable have suggested this is normal to setup an approach to land. And I'm sure lots of factors determine the approach.


  • #1049
    scuby
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    last up-date from marine traffic


  • #1050
    Gaoth Laidir
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    Is there a CVR on board or only a FDR?


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  • #1051
    The_Wanderer
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    Coil Kilcrea wrote: »
    I too wondered about this approach since it appeared to be a track direct from the East Coast which I assumed would continue West to provide the top cover. Others more knowledgeable have suggested this is normal to setup an approach to land. And I'm sure lots of factors determine the approach.

    Can anybody post some previous tracks of SAR craft landing at Blacksod?


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