Why did Gardai destroy possible burial site of Irelands longest missing child?

Johnboy1951 · 15-03-2017 12:07AM

bubblypop wrote: »

Did she say someone wrote to her at Xmas pretending to be Mary?
Why was she so upset?
Surely if she believes Mary is alive, she should have been straight to gardai with it?

I was surprised she was not asked what happened to those communications.
Did she give them to the gardai?
Why was she not asked?

SafeSurfer · 15-03-2017 12:10AM

Does anyone get the impression that Mary Boyles disappearance is being politicised by people with interests other than finding out the truth about what happened Mary?

Ferrari3600 · 15-03-2017 12:18AM

Muahahaha wrote: »

About 20 mins in

Unbelievable. Surprised they didn't try to pin it on Jimmy Savile while they were at it.

Ferrari3600 · 15-03-2017 12:20AM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Does anyone get the impression that Mary Boyles disappearance is being politicised by people with interests other than finding out the truth about what happened Mary?

That may well be the case. But tonight's broadcast was still a waste of time. And a waste of our (license-fee payers') money.

topmanamillion · 15-03-2017 01:16AM

bubblypop wrote: »

Did she say someone wrote to her at Xmas pretending to be Mary?
Why was she so upset?
Surely if she believes Mary is alive, she should have been straight to gardai with it?

Are you serious?
It must have been clear from the letter that it wasn't Mary.
Her mother has been getting all kinds of hate mail from halfwits the length and breadth of the country and probably globally too.
The "letter from Mary" was most likely abusive.

If Mary was alive today she`d be 47. If she was able to write and send letters, logic would dictate that she`d be in a position to make a phone call.

infogiver · 15-03-2017 01:25AM

topmanamillion wrote: »

Are you serious?
It must have been clear from the letter that it wasn't Mary.
Her mother has been getting all kinds of hate mail from halfwits the length and breadth of the country and probably globally too.
The "letter from Mary" was most likely abusive.

If Mary was alive today she`d be 47. If she was able to write and send letters, logic would dictate that she`d be in a position to make a phone call.

There's nothing as cowardly as hate mail. Mrs Boyle has adopted a position regarding her daughters disappearance which is the only way she can deal with the situation and she's hoping that she will die before the truth gets out.
One daughter is missing the other daughter is estranged from her, her son ran away to US to escape the whole thing, her husband, a very experienced fisherman, drowned on a calm sunny day.
But her parents family name is technically scandal free and that's the way she wants it to stay.

scumbelina · 15-03-2017 01:51AM

Some discrepancies I've noticed:

No mention of sweet wrapper previous to this.
Gerry mentioned her having crisp and that she walked behind him and she "quit speaking" he looked and she was gone. Yet mother said Mary asked "Are you going to that house there?"
Mary's mother said Gerry ran off no mention of asking him about Mary twice not being heard. She did mention that Eva drove off in the car yet in another interview she said Gerry sped off in the car.
No mention of going the well which was mentioned in another interview.
In this doc she said she asked the fishermen to alert the guards other interviews say she asked Gerry to call the guards and he said call them yourself. Another said the fishermen called them of their own volition.
Why ask the ex guard who believed the witness he was questioning the killer could it not have been the person of did it?
The footprints of a child have never been mention to my recollection.

It's sickening that it's 40 years on and nothing has been done. I grew up in the 90s and remember seeing a documentary about Mary when I was young and was terrified for days after after seeing the "theory" that a child could have been snatched like that. Can't believe RTE are still pedaling it with zero evidence to back it up.

Going Forward · 15-03-2017 07:50AM

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

Were 'the footprints of a child' the new evidence?

Doubt it, no one ever investigated them.

Apparently they were not evident after being trampled on before being examined.

Going Forward · 15-03-2017 07:59AM

Ferrari3600 wrote: »

Unbelievable. Surprised they didn't try to pin it on Jimmy Savile while they were at it.

To be fair, the gardai, past and current involved in the program for the first time are saying someone knows something and that its not an innocent disappearance.

That is a change of approach, but it's tempered by an apparent unwillingness to offend anyone.

Going Forward · 15-03-2017 08:12AM

infogiver wrote: »

I think Mrs Boyle has invented a set of footprints and a sweet wrapper to bring little Mary nearer to that road.
And away from the house and the family.

So do I.

And neither revelation was mentioned by gardai, because the gardai have never ascertained their existence.

They are distractions.

Blingy · 15-03-2017 09:29AM

Sorry but I haven't read the whole thread but I have seen a number of the programs on tv about Mary.
What is believed to have happened here? The story of Mary being snatched by an out of towner seems to have been quashed so is it believed to be locals that know what really happened?

LCD · 15-03-2017 09:54AM

Blingy wrote: »

Sorry but I haven't read the whole thread but I have seen a number of the programs on tv about Mary.
What is believed to have happened here? The story of Mary being snatched by an out of towner seems to have been quashed so is it believed to be locals that know what really happened?

From reading through this thread & doing a bit of searching online reading between the lines is quite clear what happened. Is the old blood is thicker than water scenario.

mikeymouse · 15-03-2017 10:07AM

infogiver wrote: »

I've just spoke to my mother a woman of the same age as Mrs Boyle and who would have grown up in a similarly rural remote desolate place.
She says that Mrs Boyle is lying when she says that"daddy" said to her twice when she was washing up to "keep an eye on the children".
That absolutely never happened. He never said that. It would never have occurred to that man that those children needed to be checked on. Not that day in that house and not ever.
So why does she lie?

Maybe "daddy" knew some "history"

http://www.donegaldemocrat.ie/news/donegal-news/40074/Mary-Boyle-Mystery---Retired.html

retired sgt Martin Collins;

He continued: “Within 48 hours I was convinced that she had died and my view was cemented when an interested party came to me and said that he knew who had killed Mary.

“He said the perpetrator had some kind of history. He wouldn’t talk after that and to this day that witness has never spoken of it again.”

Going Forward · 15-03-2017 11:47AM

mikeymouse wrote: »

Maybe "daddy" knew some "history"

http://www.donegaldemocrat.ie/news/donegal-news/40074/Mary-Boyle-Mystery---Retired.html

retired sgt Martin Collins;

He continued: “Within 48 hours I was convinced that she had died and my view was cemented when an interested party came to me and said that he knew who had killed Mary.

“He said the perpetrator had some kind of history. He wouldn’t talk after that and to this day that witness has never spoken of it again.”

The general concensus now is that "someone" knew something and people are being asked to search their conscience.

The serving superintendent is now even raising it.

The suspicion that there was malice and that there is local knowledge of it.

That is a major departure in my eyes at least from stupid theories that have been entertained for 40 years by AGS.

Whether there is enough will to put the many competing interests to one side and finally treat it as a murder enquiry is a completely different matter.

oranbhoy67 · 15-03-2017 09:43PM

bubblypop wrote: »

Did she say someone wrote to her at Xmas pretending to be Mary?
Why was she so upset?
Surely if she believes Mary is alive, she should have been straight to gardai with it?

there is someone who has appeared at my house saying Mary possesses her body at times, she isn't a bad person but mentally ill

oranbhoy67 · 15-03-2017 09:45PM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Does anyone get the impression that Mary Boyles disappearance is being politicised by people with interests other than finding out the truth about what happened Mary?

this is happening too yes

15-03-2017 09:45PM

oranbhoy67 wrote: »

there is someone who has appeared at my house saying Mary possesses her body at times, she isn't a bad person but mentally ill

:eek: How on earth do you deal with that?

I think I'd freak out!

oranbhoy67 · 15-03-2017 09:49PM

mikeymouse wrote: »

Maybe "daddy" knew some "history"

http://www.donegaldemocrat.ie/news/donegal-news/40074/Mary-Boyle-Mystery---Retired.html

retired sgt Martin Collins;

He continued: “Within 48 hours I was convinced that she had died and my view was cemented when an interested party came to me and said that he knew who had killed Mary.

“He said the perpetrator had some kind of history. He wouldn’t talk after that and to this day that witness has never spoken of it again.”

that was another member of the family, but I believe you are on the right path . "Daddy" went as far to ask on his deathbed was "he who I will not name" involved so he certainly had his doubts then and maybe he asked twice because of a genuine fear of "people" in the locality !

oranbhoy67 · 15-03-2017 09:52PM

Deleted User wrote: »

:eek: How on earth do you deal with that?

I think I'd freak out!

yeah I kinda silently did, she was harmless but she went as far as contacting the serious crime review case and being interviewed by them, It was the Bishop that sent her my way good man that he is.
poor soul I hope she recovers

The Parish Priest. · 15-03-2017 10:08PM

So what did you think of last nights RTE program oranbhoy67 ?

mikeymouse · 15-03-2017 10:47PM

oranbhoy67 wrote: »

that was another member of the family, but I believe you are on the right path . "Daddy" went as far to ask on his deathbed was "he who I will not name" involved so he certainly had his doubts then and maybe he asked twice because of a genuine fear of "people" in the locality !

I didn't mean to imply that "daddy" was the interested party referred to by Martin Collins,
but that he was aware of the history of the person that the "interested party"spoke to Collins about.
If that makes sense

oranbhoy67 · 15-03-2017 11:33PM

The Parish Priest. wrote: »

So what did you think of last nights RTE program oranbhoy67 ?

I think it unintentionally showed the case for what a farce it is, I'm glad of the renewed publicity it has brought, and I'm also glad that Aiden Murray stuck to his guns on who he thought the suspect is.

Overall yeah I'm happy with it, though I don't think it was made with the intention of pleasing the likes of me, but I think the vast majority of people can see right through it and that's a good thing!

Or maybe Barry Cummins is a genius who made it purposely like that, you never know it certainly asked more questions than it answered and as usual with any previous articles and shows on Mary it was full of inconsistencies with other tellings- there's barely 2 accounts that tell the same story- but then as someone once said lies require commitment.

NIMAN · 16-03-2017 04:59AM

Having followed the threads and programmes on this, I think I understand who exactly is being pinpointed as the likely culprit in Marys disappearance.

But the thing I cannot understand, is if this knowledge and suspicion is out there, among the community, relatives etc, then why isn't it being followed up by the Gardai. And sure isn't the current superintendent asking people to search their conscience? (if I remember that correctly). If so, this means he probably knows too.

So if serving members of our police force suspect X of being involved in the murder of a child, why aren't they being hauled in for questioning? Why is this case any different to other murders/missing people? Suspects are brought in for questioning all the time, but this one seems different. And when we are talking about the murder of a small child, shame on them all for letting a murderer walk around free for 40 years.

Going Forward · 16-03-2017 11:25AM

NIMAN wrote: »

Having followed the threads and programmes on this, I think I understand who exactly is being pinpointed as the likely culprit in Marys disappearance.

But the thing I cannot understand, is if this knowledge and suspicion is out there, among the community, relatives etc, then why isn't it being followed up by the Gardai. And sure isn't the current superintendent asking people to search their conscience? (if I remember that correctly). If so, this means he probably knows too.

So if serving members of our police force suspect X of being involved in the murder of a child, why aren't they being hauled in for questioning? Why is this case any different to other murders/missing people? Suspects are brought in for questioning all the time, but this one seems different. And when we are talking about the murder of a small child, shame on them all for letting a murderer walk around free for 40 years.

AGS has maneuvered itself into an unenviable position with this case.

It's caught either way now, so best to keep the heads down and hope this 40th anniversary now that they've been forced to mark it, will pass until the 50th.

If it starts appearing now, in 2017, to be finally considering a theory that there was local involvement in Mary's disappearance, why wasn't this being publicly considered years ago?

Why are ex gardai only now coming out of the woodwork talking about a suspect that they let slip through their fingers?

Why was this suspect not arrested, held and questioned?

Do serving garda share the view of the ex gardai?

That she was murdered on the farm?

A view that would never have been widely known AFAIK but for GO'D's earlier documentary.

Does AGS reject it? Why?

Inexplicably, they weren't asked about that in the programme, a programme which was little more than a promo for Barry Cummins, AGS and RTE.

SAMTALK · 16-03-2017 02:45PM

I watched the programme the other night and have read through this thread.

Could somebody tell me if there are 2 suspects or just 1?

From what Im reading Im getting the political element and the family element but are they connected?

oranbhoy67 · 16-03-2017 07:51PM

SAMTALK wrote: »

I watched the programme the other night and have read through this thread.

Could somebody tell me if there are 2 suspects or just 1?

From what Im reading Im getting the political element and the family element but are they connected?

the police will say they have more than 2 suspects, I believe there is one, of course I can never be 100% and have to leave room for doubt but if they are innocent then they are doing their best to act the opposite.

PS I believe it is the same culprit that the ex gard spoke about

The Assistinator · 21-04-2017 05:57PM

Really sickening to see that at least one person who should be locked up because of this will never see the inside of a cell now.
He is one man deserved to get locked up because of the roll he played and I hope he is remembered for this and this alone don't like to speak il of the dead but for humanity's sake the world doesn't need people like that.

UsedToWait · 21-04-2017 07:33PM

The Assistinator wrote: »

Really sickening to see that at least one person who should be locked up because of this will never see the inside of a cell now.
He is one man deserved to get locked up because of the roll he played and I hope he is remembered for this and this alone don't like to speak il of the dead but for humanity's sake the world doesn't need people like that.

Sorry, but without naming names, could you clarify this a little bit please?

NIMAN · 21-04-2017 11:00PM

Check the news.

afkasurfjunkie · 21-04-2017 11:51PM

NIMAN wrote: »

Check the news.

A very quick google of Donegal news answered this for me straightaway.

Why did Gardai destroy possible burial site of Irelands longest missing child?

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