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Marian Finucane

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  • #7562
    IvyTheTerrible
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,949 ✭✭✭✭IvyTheTerrible


    Lady Chatterton wrote: »
    I remember watching this couple on an RTE documentary and feeling awful sorry for the surrogate at the time. I didn't hear much appreciation for her back then or in so far in this interview.

    http://www.independent.ie/life/family/mothers-babies/mum-at-the-centre-of-rte-surrogacy-documentary-ive-no-legal-entitlements-in-the-eyes-of-the-state-i-am-not-their-mother-31332860.html
    I think there is a major ethical issue with relatively well-off Westerners paying poorer women to have babies for them. There is a uneven balance of power there.


  • #7563
    PeterTheNinth
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,869 ✭✭✭PeterTheNinth


    I'm not sure they picked the greatest time to come on air with this story of a pregnant woman, being sent to stay in a home with loads of other pregnant women.


  • #7564
    IvyTheTerrible
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,949 ✭✭✭✭IvyTheTerrible


    PeterTheNinth wrote: »
    I'm not sure they picked the greatest time to come on air with this story of a pregnant woman, being sent to stay in a home with loads of other pregnant women.
    Ah but it's grand, she's foreign and poor, and the nice rich white people are saving her from the noisy dirty horror that is India, apparently.


  • #7565
    Lady Chatterton
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,585 ✭✭✭✭Lady Chatterton


    Where there is a book there is a way.... they need to publicise the new book 'Without A Doubt' about their surrogacy experience.

    Edit: Their book launch is today in Dublin @ 3pm.


  • #7566
    PeterTheNinth
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,869 ✭✭✭PeterTheNinth


    Marion, ask her did she get to meet Madonna while she was there. :p


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  • #7567
    IvyTheTerrible
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,949 ✭✭✭✭IvyTheTerrible


    Oh it's legal so that's grand.
    God there is something about this story that makes me sick.


  • #7568
    IvyTheTerrible
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,949 ✭✭✭✭IvyTheTerrible


    9000 euro max for bearing twins? I wouldn't do it for that price.


  • #7569
    Lady Chatterton
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,585 ✭✭✭✭Lady Chatterton


    IvyTheTerrible wrote: »
    9000 euro max for bearing twins? I wouldn't do it for that price.
    It's not much when you consider that the poor surrogate had a c-section which isn't a minor operation and can pose issues if there are future pregnancies.


  • #7570
    IvyTheTerrible
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,949 ✭✭✭✭IvyTheTerrible


    Lady Chatterton wrote: »
    It's not much when you consider that the poor surrogate had a c-section which isn't minor operation and can pose issues if there are future pregnancies.
    I totally agree.


  • #7571
    Lady Chatterton
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,585 ✭✭✭✭Lady Chatterton


    It's all about them, I'm not even hearing wonderful fluffy stuff about how the children have changed their lives and are the best thing that ever happened to them etc..


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  • #7572
    IvyTheTerrible
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,949 ✭✭✭✭IvyTheTerrible


    Does anyone else see the irony of a couple on talking about saving babies from a poor country, this week? I'm sure all the people that stole bought babies from Ireland in the 50s and 60s thought that too, and was that right?


  • #7573
    PeterTheNinth
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,869 ✭✭✭PeterTheNinth


    I always found it unusual how the State allows people to bypass all of the other laws regarding vetting prospective parents that would have been in place for normal adoptions.

    This lad has all the arguments worked out in his head, he's not letting morality get in the way.


  • #7574
    Lady Chatterton
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,585 ✭✭✭✭Lady Chatterton


    I'd say they did the documentary to part pay for the costs involved in the surrogacy.


  • #7575
    PeterTheNinth
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,869 ✭✭✭PeterTheNinth


    Lady Chatterton wrote: »
    I'd say they did the documentary to part pay for the costs involved in the surrogacy.

    Yeah, the answer that the woman gave was a bit mealy mouthed. Seems like we're getting the reason that sounds the best (i.e that they did it as a public service), as opposed to the real reason.

    Who paid for the documentary?


  • #7576
    PeterTheNinth
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,869 ✭✭✭PeterTheNinth


    Ah shur listen, if the taxi driver on the way to RTE says it was okay, I'm back on board. :D
    I always use taxi drivers as my moral compass.


  • #7577
    Lady Chatterton
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,585 ✭✭✭✭Lady Chatterton


    The children will have ZERO connection with Shoba - I thought that would be clear to Marian.

    Contact with Shoba is not in the contract.


  • #7578
    Lady Chatterton
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,585 ✭✭✭✭Lady Chatterton


    Stop fecking plugging :mad:


  • #7579
    IvyTheTerrible
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,949 ✭✭✭✭IvyTheTerrible


    Lady Chatterton wrote: »
    The children will have ZERO connection with Shoba - I thought that would be clear to Marian.

    Contact with Shoba is not in the contract.
    Ah but they broke the regulations to contact her in the hospital, so it won't be surprise if they break that.

    AND they aren't married...very strange decision considering the Irish woman isn't legally the kids mother...


  • #7580
    Dan Jaman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,829 ✭✭✭✭Dan Jaman


    I wish Marian would get some Dentufix.


  • #7581
    Lady Chatterton
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,585 ✭✭✭✭Lady Chatterton


    IvyTheTerrible wrote: »
    Ah but they broke the regulations to contact her in the hospital, so it won't be surprise if they break that.

    AND they aren't married...very strange decision considering the Irish woman isn't legally the kids mother...
    Ivy, I was quoting Sean and Fiona there - I reckon they will cite the parts of the contract that suit them. I can't see them wanting to have any form of relationship with Shobha. I didn't feel any warmth or appreciation towards her, it was just a business arrangement for them.

    As for marriage, you make a very good point, it would provide the twins with greater protection if Sean died... but didn't Fiona say that having babies was their way of cementing their relationship :rolleyes:


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  • #7582
    IvyTheTerrible
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,949 ✭✭✭✭IvyTheTerrible


    Lady Chatterton wrote: »
    Ivy, I was quoting Sean and Fiona there - I reckon they will cite the parts of the contract that suit them. I can't seem them wanting to have any form of relationship with Shobha. I didn't feel any warmth or appreciation towards her, it was just a business arrangement for them.

    As for marriage, you make a very good point, it would provide the twins with greater protection if Sean died... but didn't Fiona did say that having babies was their way of cementing their relationship :rolleyes:
    Ah ok I get you... yeah I got that sentiment.


  • #7583
    IvyTheTerrible
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,949 ✭✭✭✭IvyTheTerrible


    Maybe I should point out that I have absolutely no issue with fertility treatment or adoption, once it's regulated. And I'd have no problem with surrogacy when it's altruistic and kept in the country.


  • #7584
    padd b1975
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,852 ✭✭✭✭padd b1975


    It's been a while since I've listened to a more self-centred and unlikeable couple.


  • #7585
    Lady Chatterton
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,585 ✭✭✭✭Lady Chatterton


    IvyTheTerrible wrote: »
    Maybe I should point out that I have absolutely no issue with fertility treatment or adoption, once it's regulated. And I'd have no problem with surrogacy when it's altruistic and kept in the country.
    I'm in exactly the same boat, fertility treatments and adoption (if properly regulated) can bring a lot of happiness to couples who would struggle/fail to have children naturally.

    However, I found this surrogacy case particularly upsetting as all I could hear was 'I' and 'We want' the whole way through. My concern with India and some other countries is that surrogates are working in the human equivalent of pet farms, they're there for breeding purposes and the majority of the money goes to the agency involved, while they're exposed to all the potential health risks :(


  • #7586
    Oops69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,477 ✭✭✭Oops69


    excruciating interview with o'hanlon, , easier to pull a molar from a whale .


  • #7587
    Callan57
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,160 ✭✭✭Callan57


    PeterTheNinth wrote: »
    I'm not sure they picked the greatest time to come on air with this story of a pregnant woman, being sent to stay in a home with loads of other pregnant women.

    Agree ... when she mentioned this "surrogate home" all I could envision was the Tuam Mother & Baby home. It seems truly barbaric to be honest ... all these pregnant women together & the babies being taken from them to be handed over to western couples with a 1st world problem. Bet they are kept there not for their medical needs to be met but so the clinic can keep a close eye on their "investment".

    Altruistic surrogacy I can get my head around but this buying eggs and renting out the womb of another woman in a poor country ... something very wrong with that. How is it any different from buying the "spare" kidney of a poor person, you can easily convince yourself that you are doing them a great service & sure won't they eat better with one kidney and your money?


  • #7588
    PeterTheNinth
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,869 ✭✭✭PeterTheNinth


    Another anti men tirade from the highest paid woman in Ireland.


  • #7589
    sligojoek
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,420 ✭✭✭✭sligojoek


    She waited till the couple were gone before she read out any critical texts.


  • #7590
    Callan57
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,160 ✭✭✭Callan57


    PeterTheNinth wrote: »
    Another anti men tirade from the highest paid woman in Ireland.

    Ah Peter would you go away with you and your persecution complex :rolleyes:
    Maybe what the Tesco guy meant was that now the "white boys" can't expect promotion by right of maleness/whiteness but might actually have to work as hard as the women ... now there's a thought!


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  • #7591
    IvyTheTerrible
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    sligojoek wrote: »
    She waited till the couple were gone before she read out any critical texts.
    No she didn't. She read out several critical texts in front of them and they had answers all pat.


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