Marian Finucane

PeterTheNinth · 26-02-2017 03:19PM

thedudeinthehat wrote: »

Lets call out the orange one on his hypocritical nonsense.

I've no problem with that. I just wish that the media were as quick to tackle other people on their hypocritical nonsense. These people seemed to have gone missing when President Higgins decided to visit his good friends in Cuba.

Brendan Bendar · 26-02-2017 06:20PM

PeterTheNinth wrote: »

I've no problem with that. I just wish that the media were as quick to tackle other people on their hypocritical nonsense. These people seemed to have gone missing when President Higgins decided to visit his good friends in Cuba.

Some of us saw what was going to happen when Michileen was elected.

Mark my words, we ain't seen nothing yet.

Think Gaza!!!;)

PeterTheNinth · 04-03-2017 12:22PM

"The people here will have nothing to do with corruption".

My god listening to Mary Lou MacDonald pontificating once again. Could nobody have put the point about the Shinner's carry on with Daithí McKay? Is everybody afraid to call Sinn Fein on their hypocrisy.

Oops69 · 04-03-2017 12:29PM

PeterTheNinth wrote: »

"The people here will have nothing to do with corruption".

My god listening to Mary Lou MacDonald pontificating once again. Could nobody have put the point about the Shinner's carry on with Daithí McKay? Is everybody afraid to call Sinn Fein on their hypocrisy.

70% Percent of the nationalist electorate in the north don't seem to agree with you and they live in the situation, every time a sinn- feiner appears on this programme up- pops the usual predictable blue- shirted negative comments.

humberklog · 04-03-2017 01:12PM

Whooooaaw, after waxing about the up coming Paddy's weekend and the rugby and other sports based around that weekend...what a perfect time to introduce Nevin for some recipes to cook over that weekend!

PeterTheNinth · 04-03-2017 01:32PM

So she's an escort.

sligojoek · 04-03-2017 01:58PM

I'm more of a Cortina man myself.

Callan57 · 04-03-2017 02:12PM

PeterTheNinth wrote: »

"The people here will have nothing to do with corruption".

My god listening to Mary Lou MacDonald pontificating once again. Could nobody have put the point about the Shinner's carry on with Daithí McKay? Is everybody afraid to call Sinn Fein on their hypocrisy.

Sinn Fein are no different to anyone else .... power corrupts universally and Sinn Fein in power would be no different. Mary Lou would do well to resist the urge to stake out the high moral ground - it usually proves to be very slippery underfoot!

Was it Eamonn Mallie I heard saying Mike Nesbitt was the first leader to abandon the field while his people were still fighting for their seats?
If memory serves I think Michael McDowell beat him to that dubious honour - didn't he take the hump & run off in a sulk while his PD candidates were still in the midst of counts fighting for their seats? :rolleyes:

Oops69 · 04-03-2017 10:31PM

Callan57 wrote: »

Sinn Fein are no different to anyone else .... power corrupts universally and Sinn Fein in power would be no different. Mary Lou would do well to resist the urge to stake out the high moral ground - it usually proves to be very slippery underfoot!

Sinn fein HAVE been in power - its a power sharing executive since the first elections , the only corruption I'm aware of is the 'cash for ash ' scheme initiated by the DUP environment minister, nice broad brush strokes and generalisations today as usual .

Harry Angstrom · 05-03-2017 02:38AM

Oops69 wrote: »

Sinn fein HAVE been in power - its a power sharing executive since the first elections , the only corruption I'm aware of is the 'cash for ash ' scheme initiated by the DUP environment minister, nice broad brush strokes and generalisations today as usual.

Ah come on. Even the most dispassionate of observers would concede that Sinn Fein have perfected hypocrisy down to an art form.

Oops69 · 05-03-2017 12:03PM

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

Ah come on. Even the most dispassionate of observers would concede that Sinn Fein have perfected hypocrisy down to an art form.[/QUOTE
So 70% of northern nationalists can't spot a hypocrite or corruption?, I think they of all people could spot one , you really need to take the blinkers of and think outside the newsfeed fed to you from RTÉ and independant/DOB media .

PeterTheNinth · 05-03-2017 12:05PM

I've seen that show that Tommy Tiernan presents, where he has no idea who the guest is or what they do. Apparently he got the idea for the show while listening to The Marion Finucane Show.

*Sends CV to Funny Friday*

IvyTheTerrible · 05-03-2017 12:09PM

PeterTheNinth wrote: »

I've seen that show that Tommy Tiernan presents, where he has no idea who the guest is or what they do. Apparently he got the idea for the show while listening to The Marion Finucane Show.

*Sends CV to Funny Friday*

But you made me laugh, so that disqualifies you.

DubTony · 05-03-2017 01:20PM

YUP!

Samson and Goliath.

Callan57 · 05-03-2017 01:35PM

Apropos the Tuam discovery and the "we were all responsible" comment from Marian ..... has she ANY concept of what it meant for an ordinary man or woman to go against the Church or the local PP in the 1940s or 1950s? This revisionism is sickening

Dirty Dingus McGee · 05-03-2017 03:23PM

Callan57 wrote: »

Apropos the Tuam discovery and the "we were all responsible" comment from Marian ..... has she ANY concept of what it meant for an ordinary man or woman to go against the Church or the local PP in the 1940s or 1950s? This revisionism is sickening

Why did people allow their children to be sent off to reformatory schools/magdalene for no good reason? It was a fairly uncaring attitude to have and people who allowed that to happen do deserve criticism.

No doubt there was an awful lot of societal pressure but the church weren't armed and the people of this country voted in the politicians who allowed the church to exert the negative influence it had on the country so to be fair a lot of the people of that time were to blame for allowing the church to have such power over the country (and I include my own grandparents amongst them).

percy212 · 05-03-2017 03:37PM

Priests were still calling to houses of pregnant girls in the midlands in the 90's, with advice on where to send them.

neris · 05-03-2017 04:06PM

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

Why did people allow their children to be sent off to reformatory schools/magdalene for no good reason? It was a fairly uncaring attitude to have and people who allowed that to happen do deserve criticism.

No doubt there was an awful lot of societal pressure but the church weren't armed and the people of this country voted in the politicians who allowed the church to exert the negative influence it had on the country so to be fair a lot of the people of that time were to blame for allowing the church to have such power over the country (and I include my own grandparents amongst them).

The church might not have been armed but they could exert alot of pressure and shame on families. Alot of people were to blame but the state was the biggest one as the likes of Dev let the church run amook with the citizens

Callan57 · 05-03-2017 04:20PM

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

Why did people allow their children to be sent off to reformatory schools/magdalene for no good reason? It was a fairly uncaring attitude to have and people who allowed that to happen do deserve criticism.

No doubt there was an awful lot of societal pressure but the church weren't armed and the people of this country voted in the politicians who allowed the church to exert the negative influence it had on the country so to be fair a lot of the people of that time were to blame for allowing the church to have such power over the country (and I include my own grandparents amongst them).

Indeed but I think you are failing to recognise that the local priest had the power to destroy a family ... socially and economically. Priests were known to institute boycotts of family businesses for example and do you realise how many jobs were dependant on getting a reference from the local priest and getting into a "good school" was likewise dependant on getting a good reference from the local PP. I know it is very difficult for us today to conprehend the absolute control the Church exerted ... to her death a few years ago (in her 90s) my mother could still not in any way accept that a priest or a nun would abuse a child ... as far as she was concerned it simply could not happen.
People were totally and comprehensively brainwashed & I find it grossly unfair to blame them now for not "taking on the Church". It remains my view that the partition of the country & the loss of the input of a significant Protestant class left the new Republic totally at the mercy of a Church intent on absolute control.

Roger_007 · 05-03-2017 10:17PM

neris wrote: »

The church might not have been armed but they could exert alot of pressure and shame on families. Alot of people were to blame but the state was the biggest one as the likes of Dev let the church run amook with the citizens

So, where did the priests and the bishops and the politicians come from. They didn't arrive on a spaceship from an alien planet. They were representative of the people that they came from and their actions and attitudes accurately reflected those of the so-called 'ordinary people'.
Even in my generation I remember, as a child growing up, the nods and winks and 'serves them right' sort of attitude towards women who dared to have children 'out of wedlock'.
There was a cruel, mean and nasty streak that ran through Irish culture.

Callan57 · 06-03-2017 12:19AM

Roger_007 wrote: »

So, where did the priests and the bishops and the politicians come from. They didn't arrive on a spaceship from an alien planet. They were representative of the people that they came from and their actions and attitudes accurately reflected those of the so-called 'ordinary people'.
Even in my generation I remember, as a child growing up, the nods and winks and 'serves them right' sort of attitude towards women who dared to have children 'out of wedlock'.
There was a cruel, mean and nasty streak that ran through Irish culture.

Most of them were removed from their families in their early teens, if not younger, to be indoctrinated in places like Maynooth & then turned loose on the country to enforce the dictates of their clerical bosses and enforce the total conformity to a system they themselves had become locked into.

I do not accept that a "cruel, mean and nasty streak" runs through Irish culture ... Irish culture & the pre-Famine Church was in fact much more humane and forgiving of human nature that what was imposed in later years.

percy212 · 06-03-2017 12:26AM

True, there was and still is I think, a bit of nasty streak though Irish culture. A "good enough for her" sort of attitude, should anything befall a person who deviates from societal mores (bless yourself as you say the words of course). As cowardly as society can be however, most blame has to fall at the feet of the sadists who oversaw the sale of children and the murder of children, who were in their care. Someone in cultish black clothing made decisions that resulted in 800 dead children in a septic tank. The question remains, to what extent was the government involved. There must have been collusion between the two organizations on these operations, if not outright co-operation. It's not that long ago and someone needs to pay the ****ing piper.

Harry Angstrom · 06-03-2017 01:55AM

Oops69 wrote: »

So 70% of northern nationalists can't spot a hypocrite or corruption?, I think they of all people could spot one , you really need to take the blinkers of and think outside the newsfeed fed to you from RTÉ and independant/DOB media .

70% of northern nationalists don't care about hypocrites or corruption, just like the SF fanbase in the south don't care about it either.
Granted, all political parties are hypocritical to some extent but Sinn Fein do it better than most - for instance they latched on to the Maurice McCabe controversy for their own political gain whilst completely ignoring the fact that they regaled the killers of Detective Garda Jerry McCabe not so long ago, including the fact that prominent members of SF collected them when they were released from prison, and that's only for starters.

Radio5 · 06-03-2017 07:54PM

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

70% of northern nationalists don't care about hypocrites or corruption, just like the SF fanbase in the south don't care about it either.
Granted, all political parties are hypocritical to some extent but Sinn Fein do it better than most - for instance they latched on to the Maurice McCabe controversy for their own political gain whilst completely ignoring the fact that they regaled the killers of Detective Garda Jerry McCabe not so long ago, including the fact that prominent members of SF collected them when they were released from prison, and that's only for starters.

You can add to that the issue around the claims about the movement of alleged child abusers from the North to the South. I mentioned this issue to the Sinn Fein candidate/TD in my local constituency when he was canvassing at last year's election. He just nodded and said nothing in reply and was moved on fairly lively.

Harry Angstrom · 07-03-2017 01:54AM

Radio5 wrote: »

You can add to that the issue around the claims about the movement of alleged child abusers from the North to the South. I mentioned this issue to the Sinn Fein candidate/TD in my local constituency when he was canvassing at last year's election. He just nodded and said nothing in reply and was moved on fairly lively.

Ironic, when you consider how much they've thrown their weight behind the Mary Boyle case in Donegal. I suppose the inference that a member of a rival political party being allegedly implicated in that case has nothing to do with their interest in it......

PeterTheNinth · 07-03-2017 08:33AM

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

Ironic, when you consider how much they've thrown their weight behind the Mary Boyle case in Donegal. I suppose the inference that a member of a rival political party being allegedly implicated in that case has nothing to do with their interest in it......

Oh don't get me started on that Harry. They would make you sick. Here they are playing the martyr in the European Parliament.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7gL6ZWs09A

You think they would start helping to find a few of they people they disappeared themselves before moving on to anybody else.

PeterTheNinth · 11-03-2017 12:24PM

They reduced?
Does that euphemism mean what I think it means?

Lady Chatterton · 11-03-2017 12:25PM

I remember watching this couple on an RTE documentary and feeling awful sorry for the surrogate at the time. I didn't hear much appreciation for her back then or so far in this interview.

http://www.independent.ie/life/family/mothers-babies/mum-at-the-centre-of-rte-surrogacy-documentary-ive-no-legal-entitlements-in-the-eyes-of-the-state-i-am-not-their-mother-31332860.html

IvyTheTerrible · 11-03-2017 12:26PM

PeterTheNinth wrote: »

They reduced?
Does that euphemism mean what I think it means?

Of course, they mentioned aborting the 3rd one just before.

padd b1975 · 11-03-2017 12:27PM

Lady Chatterton wrote: »

I remember watching this couple on an RTE documentary and feeling awful sorry for the surrogate at the time. I didn't hear much appreciation for her back then or in so far in this interview.

http://www.independent.ie/life/family/mothers-babies/mum-at-the-centre-of-rte-surrogacy-documentary-ive-no-legal-entitlements-in-the-eyes-of-the-state-i-am-not-their-mother-31332860.html

The husband appears to be as thick as two short planks.

Marian Finucane

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