T-shirt in Primark discontinued because of racist 'eeny meeny miny moe' message

Stigura · 23-02-2017 09:45PM

FTA69 wrote: »

Right so n*gger is the equivalent to kiwi now is it? N*gger isn't a colour by the way, it refers to people - not dogs or a shade of brown. This is utterly ridiculous like, it's clear you wouldn't care what the implications are behind that word because you're small minded and ignorant to be honest.

Someone earlier on asked what casual racism is, this is a typical example of it really - some eejit who for the life of him can't see anything awry with calling a dog n*gger for the laugh. Or, more likely, is just a plain bigot.

Oh, f**k off.

Gatling · 23-02-2017 09:48PM

Maybe be we need a historical investigation into race hate for every generation of children that played meeny miney moe

FTA69 · 23-02-2017 09:50PM

Stigura wrote: »

Oh, f**k off.

Bit snowflakey there mate, I thought you were some badass who didn't care what people said?

Unfortunately for you in most of modern society people will tend to call you out when you come out with bigoted nonsense so I wouldn't be taking it all too personally.

DesperateDan · 23-02-2017 09:56PM

I came over from Scotland as a 10 year old in 1999, everyone sang it with 'n*gger' in the song and I was bloody flabbergasted. First I had seen kids not understand that was as bad a word as f*ck was. Had to inform my fellow colleagues that they were being racist. Pretty sure no-one had a clue what I was on about.

KingBrian2 · 23-02-2017 09:58PM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Millions of people in America watched the tv episode where the character recited this rhyme and there was no outcry. That's because "catch a tiger by the toe" is not racist. Every schoolkid in America says it and I think it's use might even be older than the racist version

They'd have a very different view if they new the original words although kids can be cruel. Young boys around the world torment their sisters and parents. Young girls can be vicious. We all have the image of the lovely school children that are obedient. Fact is many of these children play harmlessly not realizing how offensive their words are. We call it bullying and name calling is a part of being a kid the not so nice part.

Grandeeod · 23-02-2017 10:06PM

FTA69 wrote: »

Bit snowflakey there mate, I thought you were some badass who didn't care what people said?

Unfortunately for you in most of modern society people will tend to call you out when you come out with bigoted nonsense so I wouldn't be taking it all too personally.

Ah hold on a minute. Snowflakers do not tell people to fcuk off.

DesperateDan wrote: »

I came over from Scotland as a 10 year old in 1999, everyone sang it with 'n*gger' in the song and I was bloody flabbergasted. First I had seen kids not understand that was as bad a word as f*ck was. Had to inform my fellow colleagues that they were being racist. Pretty sure no-one had a clue what I was on about.

You tried telling Irish 10 year olds in 1999 that they were being racist? I guess you were just a sophisticated Scot. Can I say Scotty or is that just a Star Trek thing?

Boom_Bap · 23-02-2017 10:07PM

MOD
Leave it out with the comic book spoilers yeah. Don't be that dick that ruins it for everyone.
I've tidied up the last few pages, let me know if I missed anything by PM or reporting the post

Subacio · 23-02-2017 10:09PM

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Was wrecking my head for the last half hour or so about which film do I remember the rhyme being used in, where the actor raises his voice at the end and when he says 'MOE!'.

Anyway, just remembered, it was (if anyone wants to play at home cover your eyes now):
Mel Gibson in Lethal Weapon just before he blows a hole in the South African's fish tank.

If memory serves me well it's also the method that Zed uses to choose between Butch and Marcellus Wallace in Pulp Fiction.

Peregrine · 23-02-2017 10:16PM

davidwalsh12 wrote: »

Nonsense, You can not be born a racist you have to learn to be one.

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Can you learn to be gay too, or is that something that can be unlearned?

Jesus Christ. That's some mental gymnastics you're performing there.

Grandeeod · 23-02-2017 10:23PM

Subacio wrote: »

If memory serves me well it's also the method that Zed uses to choose between Butch and Marcellus Wallace in Pulp Fiction.

And in Natural Born Killers. None of it had any racist suggestions at all.

Didn't Southwest Airlines go through this crap a while back and the case was bounced out of court? Can't google at the mo. Up to my eyes in work.

davidwalsh12 · 23-02-2017 10:27PM

Candie wrote: »

davidwalsh12 wrote: »

In the comic negan

Well, I guess you just saved me enduring the rest of the season now that it's basically jumped the shark.

I don't know whether to thank you or curse you.

Sorry candle

davidwalsh12 · 23-02-2017 10:28PM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

davidwalsh12 wrote: »

In the comic negan.

Thanks for those incredible spoilers there

Sorry

mzungu · 23-02-2017 10:32PM

Subacio wrote: »

If memory serves me well it's also the method that Zed uses to choose between Butch and Marcellus Wallace in Pulp Fiction.

Exactamundo!

davidwalsh12 · 23-02-2017 10:36PM

Boom_Bap wrote: »

MOD
Leave it out with the comic book spoilers yeah. Don't be that dick that ruins it for everyone.
I've tidied up the last few pages, let me know if I missed anything by PM or reporting the post

Sorry Dick, And sorry for making you get of you're ass and doing you're job. Would you like a rag to mop up that blood dear?

DredFX · 23-02-2017 10:37PM

davidwalsh12 wrote: »

Sorry Dick, And sorry for making you get of you're ass and doing you're job. Would you like a rag to mop up that blood dear?

Someone is looking to get banned...

Yourself isit · 23-02-2017 10:38PM

Wasn't there a top gear kerfuffle about this.

davidwalsh12 · 23-02-2017 10:39PM

DredFX wrote: »

davidwalsh12 wrote: »

Sorry Dick, And sorry for making you get of you're ass and doing you're job. Would you like a rag to mop up that blood dear?

Someone is looking to get banned...

I'm guessing you are the kind of guy that looks in the gym mirror and flexes his muscles for all to see.

davidwalsh12 · 23-02-2017 10:40PM

Yourself isit wrote: »

Wasn't there a top gear kerfuffle about this.

Yes, The video was posted a few pages back. I am raging cause it spoiled Top Gear for me as i just recently started watching it but hey ho.
lol

KingBrian2 · 23-02-2017 10:41PM

Movies are full of racism, sexism, whatever you like. You could start a forum to discuss how offensive each and every film could be. I wouldn't envy the PC brigade to go out and deem what is and is not offensive.:eek:

Commotion Ocean · 23-02-2017 10:44PM

endacl wrote: »

Do you feel triggered?

Eeny meeny miney moe, catch a trigger by the toe, if it's offended, let it go to it's safe space, eeny meen miney moe.

Samuel T. Cogley · 23-02-2017 10:49PM

davidwalsh12 · 23-02-2017 10:55PM

Gatling wrote: »

Maybe be we need a historical investigation into race hate for every generation of children that played meeny miney moe

The British could fund it, They fund all types of mad historical investigations lak.

ceadaoin. · 23-02-2017 10:56PM

KingBrian2 wrote: »

They'd have a very different view if they new the original words although kids can be cruel. Young boys around the world torment their sisters and parents. Young girls can be vicious. We all have the image of the lovely school children that are obedient. Fact is many of these children play harmlessly not realizing how offensive their words are. We call it bullying and name calling is a part of being a kid the not so nice part.

Those aren't the original words. The rhyme has existed in many forms for centuries. If the rhyme itself is so offensive, even without the offensive term, then it wouldn't be heard in every school yard across the country because parents and teachers would have something to say about it.

One eyed Jack · 23-02-2017 10:59PM

Peregrine wrote: »

Jesus Christ. That's some mental gymnastics you're performing there.

It's genuinely not meant to be any mental gymnastics, I just don't buy into what's often referred to as the "blank slate" theory as though concepts of natural discrimination can immediately be termed racist, as though they are intentional when coming from a place of ignorance (the idea that someone doesn't know any better).

That's why I also questioned the concept of 'casual' racism, but FTA explained it well. Before he explained it, I thought it had a different connotation entirely (ignorance on my part, unintentional). I didn't "unlearn" anything I had learned before, it's still something I learned. I simply learned something new.

No mental gymnastics required, but the point is that sometimes racism, or any other kind of "ism", isn't always inherently maliciously intended - it's based on ignorance from simply not knowing any better. Through experience is one of the ways any of these "isms" can be overcome.

KingBrian2 · 23-02-2017 11:01PM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Those aren't the original words. The rhyme has existed in many forms for centuries. If the rhyme itself is so offensive, even without the offensive term, then it wouldn't be heard in every school yard across the country because parents and teachers would have something to say about it.

The rhyme passes down from one generation to the next and was popularized in a age when racism was at its height. Schoolyard taunts IMO.

davidwalsh12 · 23-02-2017 11:04PM

KingBrian2 wrote: »

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Those aren't the original words. The rhyme has existed in many forms for centuries. If the rhyme itself is so offensive, even without the offensive term, then it wouldn't be heard in every school yard across the country because parents and teachers would have something to say about it.

The rhyme passes down from one generation to the next and was popularized in a age when racism was at its height. Schoolyard taunts IMO.

Exactly, No one is born a racist you have to learn to be one. Anything you learn you can unlearn.

evolving_doors · 23-02-2017 11:07PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

define "a little while". as a child growing up in the 70s the N word wasnt used.

Grew up in 80's and N word was obligatory in eeny meeny. Not saying it's right BTW.

Kids still use it today but it's tiger!

Still though... as much as I'd love to I'm not gonna stop them from using the tiger version... I'd offer a replacement but all I can remember was

Ip dip dog 5hit...

Or

My mother gave your mother a punch on the nose.

Anyone know the rest of Ip dip?

davidwalsh12 · 23-02-2017 11:12PM

Gebgbegb wrote: »

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

define "a little while". as a child growing up in the 70s the N word wasnt used.

Grew up in 80's and N word was obligatory in eeny meeny. Not saying it's right BTW.

Kids still use it today but it's tiger!

Still though... as much as I'd love to I'm not gonna stop them from using the tiger version... I'd offer a replacement but all I can remember was

Ip dip dog 5hit...

Or

My mother gave your mother a punch on the nose.

Anyone know the rest of Ip dip?

Ip dip dogs dick out pops piss is the way it went. If you were piss you were it.

Donal55 · 23-02-2017 11:19PM

Snowflakes.

Stigura · 23-02-2017 11:32PM

davidwalsh12 wrote: »

Ip dip dogs dick out pops piss is the way it went. If you were piss you were it.

Hmm. 'We' always knew it as " Ip Dip Dog Sh!t You Are Not IT ". The person ending up as 'It' generally being the lone chaser of the rest of us.

What was that game when one person stood facing a wall. The rest of ye tried to get to them. They'd spin round and try to catch ye moving. So much trust and simple honesty involved there, when ye think about it.

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T-shirt in Primark discontinued because of racist 'eeny meeny miny moe' message

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