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1billion to build children's hospital

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    #32
    Anita Blow
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    nice_guy80 wrote: »
    Anita Blow wrote: »
    Because a greenfield site doesn't have the level of public transport access nor co-location it would need.

    move the other hospital out too
    how hard can it be to run a regular bus service to a new hospital?
    Move the largest hospital in the country? James is 3x larger than the proposed children's hospital in terms of beds. It doesn't make economic or practical sense to move it


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    #33
    Anita Blow
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    Capt'n Midnight wrote: »
    Anita Blow wrote: »
    Because a greenfield site doesn't have the level of public transport access nor co-location it would need.
    For public transport they could have extended the Luas from Citywest to Peamount ?
    And what about co-location? Or even proximity to the maternity hospitals, which is another important factor? The closest major maternity hospital is The Coombe, which is 30 minutes away by car


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    #34
    kirving
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    nkav86 wrote: »
    Can I ask.... How do we as a country afford to spend millions on charitable cause in other countries and struggling to finance projects like this at home.

    Surely for something like a hospital there has got to priority and if we have enough left over then we try help out others.... This is probably a stupid question, but I'm a bit clueless

    Because it doens't matter a ****e how much money we pump into the health service, they'll just demand more.


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    #35
    Yourself isit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭Yourself isit


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    We as a society only need to look to ourselves, our families, our friends, our neighbours when we're trying to figure out why everything costs so much in ireland. Everyone is ripping everyone else off.

    I'm not sure how I'm ripping my employer off. Explain?


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    #36
    punisher5112
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    Allinall wrote: »
    How do people without cars access the hospital?

    Public transport and also design it that luas or similar can be used to get you to the door. Not everything needs to be in the centre where its near impossible to get in or out of.


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    #37
    Jane98
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    The €1Bn doesn't even include fit out costs. They could be an extra 500m, so we're looking at €1.5Bn before any over runs.


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    #38
    Cartouche
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    I said wrote: »
    Cost has more than doubled from 400million in 2012 to 1 billion today.
    All I want to know is what shower of thieving,greedy,corrupt and backhander specialists are the only ones who think they know best for the country.Another waste of mine and all our money.
    It would be some country if someone with sense ran it.

    I would be more surprised if a project was done on budget

    Theres no accountability in Ireland so the taxpayer will bear the cost and stay silent about it


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    #39
    mikeoneilly
    Closed Accounts Posts: 479 ✭✭mikeoneilly


    It's getting the damn thing to function properly after its built that's the main concern imo


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    #40
    ChikiChiki
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,950 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    Cartouche wrote: »
    I would be more surprised if a project was done on budget

    Theres no accountability in Ireland so the taxpayer will bear the cost and stay silent about it

    Irish people tend to stay silent and bicker amongst one another whilst never questioning the people whom the decision lies with.

    Another thing about this project is the choice of location. The area around James suffers from severe traffic congestion As Is. With no sign of decent public transport on the horizon and people being forced to live out in the sticks and commute from there, that issue will only worsen. The choice of location is very poor imo and it should be built further out along the M50 which come to think of it is a disaster nowadays aswell.

    Our way of thinking needs to change from oh **** what infrastructure do we need right now to what infrastructure will we need in 5-10 years down the line.


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    #41
    gramar
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    Surely someone like Mick Wallace could do it for less?


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    #42
    Allinall
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    gramar wrote: »
    Surely someone like Mick Wallace could do it for less?

    We'd save on the VAT at least.


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    #43
    farmerwifelet
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    When HP were getting planning permission in Leixlip, they had to have a dual purpose building so they chose a hospital. It meant it can easily be converted to a hospital, has large grounds, hundreds for car park spaces and is easily accessible. Why can't they use this instead? It wouldn't cost a billion! :rolleyes:


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    SILVAMAN
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    I said wrote: »
    Cost has more than doubled from 400million in 2012 to 1 billion today.
    All I want to know is what shower of thieving,greedy,corrupt and backhander specialists are the only ones who think they know best for the country.Another waste of mine and all our money.
    It would be some country if someone with sense ran it.
    Didn't Jimmy Sheehan of the Galway Clinic offer to build it fro free on a site on the outskirts of Dublin?
    You'd wonder who's got their fingers in the pie that it has to be packed sardine-like in James's. Outrageous choice of site. Certainly the best interests of future patients don't figure in the plans.


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    #45
    etar
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    Anita Blow wrote: »
    Because a greenfield site doesn't have the level of public transport access nor co-location it would need.

    my son has been to temple street many many times, for major surgeries and check ups, public transport is only ok for check ups and even then not ideal and results in over night stays, however anyone facing into major surgery can never consider public transport due to the risks of infection and illnesses.
    also keep in mind that public transport from most of the south of ireland to Dublin is non-existent or takes longer to get to dublin than most people take to get to America.


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    #46
    SILVAMAN
    Closed Accounts Posts: 730 ✭✭✭SILVAMAN


    Anita Blow wrote: »
    Because a greenfield site doesn't have the level of public transport access nor co-location it would need.

    Don't pi** on my leg and tell me it's raining.
    Can you explain an almost finished motorway to Tuam, of all places, or the train from Ennis to Galway which, carries a handful of passengers, serves no major employment centres close to the stations, and costs €90 subsidy per passenger?
    Where there's a will there's a way.


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    #47
    gctest50
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    How are they going to staff this wonderful creation ?

    How long before it turns into another cesspit of doctors doing 36 hour shifts ?


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    #48
    Guy:Incognito
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    punisher5112 wrote: »
    Public transport and also design it that luas or similar can be used to get you to the door. Not everything needs to be in the centre where its near impossible to get in or out of.

    Run special luas carriages with big red crosses on them.it'll be great on a hot day. Virus incubators. Yay.

    Jump on with your broken arm crammer in with loads of other sick people and get a nice infection to boot.


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    #49
    ChikiChiki
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,950 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    farmerwifelet wrote: »
    When HP were getting planning permission in Leixlip, they had to have a dual purpose building so they chose a hospital. It meant it can easily be converted to a hospital, has large grounds, hundreds for car park spaces and is easily accessible. Why can't they use this instead? It wouldn't cost a billion! :rolleyes:

    That makes absolute sense if true! Then the money would be better spent on a second ringroad to the west of the M50 linking the M4 and M7.

    The HP campus is accessible from the M4 with its own off ramp and has bus and rail close by.


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    #50
    farmerwifelet
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    Yes HP is very easily accessed. The clean rooms were designed so that they could be turned into operating theatres.


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    #51
    TheRiverman
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    Anita Blow wrote: »
    Because a greenfield site doesn't have the level of public transport access nor co-location it would need.


    What about the public transport needed for the rest of the country to get in and out of this hell hole if it is ever built?.It should be on a green field site out from the city somewhere on the M4 or M7.


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    #52
    satguy
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    It's in the wrong place..
    It's same size as the one its replacing..
    It will overrun on cost and will end up costing 1.2 Billion..
    It will cost another 500 or 600 Million to fit out..
    It will lay idle when built as there is no Staff, or no parking if they do find Staff..
    It's going to be a Rush Hour nightmare, so only get sick on Sunday's ..

    There is 100 acres at Newlands Cross,, or there is another 100 acres at Peamount Hospital..

    Newlands Cross is where it should be.. the luas goes past, the Nass Road is a fine 3 lane road with many bus routes nearby.


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    #53
    Donal55
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    satguy wrote: »
    It's in the wrong place..
    It's same size as the one its replacing..
    It will overrun on cost and will end up costing 1.2 Billion..
    It will cost another 500 or 600 Million to fit out..
    It will lay idle when built as there is no Staff or no parking if they do find Staff..
    It's going to be a Rush Hour nightmare, so only get sick on Sunday's ..

    There is 100 acres at Newlands Cross or there is 100 there are another 100 acres at Peamount Hospital..

    Newlands Cross is where it should be.. the luas goes past, the Nass Road is a fine 3 lane road with many bus routes nearby.

    That all makes sense. Hence the need to build it in Rialto.


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    #54
    cabledude
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    Why does this hospital have to be based in the centre of our capital, congested city. Why not build this hospital out around the M50, where it would be easily accessible to the entire country? There is an entire country outside of Dublin......

    Also, the current site does not have the facility to land a Sikorsky hellicopter. These machines are the ones used by the Irish Coast Guard search and rescue service.


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    #55
    satguy
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    Newlands Cross

    https://www.google.ie/maps/place/Newlands+Cross,+Dublin/@53.3113786,-6.3808439,1395m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x4867735b84e2b6c7:0x2600c7a7bb51f4f2!8m2!3d53.3133223!4d-6.3945564


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    #56
    TheRiverman
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    Build it out from Dublin on the M4 or M7 with entry and exit the same as the Motorway service areas.That would be common sense which unfortunately is lacking in Ireland.


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    #57
    Danbo!
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    Worst part is that the billion doesn't include the cost of upgrades going on in crumlin and temple street at the moment, upgrades specifically because of the new hospital. And why are they upgrading? Because the new hospital will provide whatever exists in the current hospitals, nothing more. So a unit with 4 beds is paying currently spending €€€ to add more, just so they'll get more in the new hospital. It's essentially different departments of the HSE ****ing each other over.


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    #58
    Cartouche
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    ChikiChiki wrote: »
    Irish people tend to stay silent and bicker amongst one another whilst never questioning the people whom the decision lies with.

    .

    What we do is bitch and moan behind closed doors but then tip our caps when the boss comes along. I guess its a hangover from a colonial past. However it doesnt do us much good when we are the ones who have to sort things out. we cannot handle it


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    #59
    ChikiChiki
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,950 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    Who/what idiotic body made the decision to go for James? Anyone can see the problems with that a mile off. Someone must promised something to gain from it as usual. I reckon a bit of deep digging here would unleash a few skeletons.


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    #60
    bear1
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    http://touch.boards.ie/thread/2057591046/15

    I said 11 months ago that this wouldn't be within budget.
    May as well use that thread to continue it on.


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    #61
    Cartouche
    Closed Accounts Posts: 248 ✭✭Cartouche


    Having watched the piece on Prime Time, its not a surprise the costs are so amazing. The lady on representing the project basically said the costs were a secret and the public were on a need to know basis :confused:


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