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VinLieger · 22-02-2017 04:06PM

end of the road wrote: »

except that doesn't happen, the pre-96 comrades don't refuse to do shifts. it's all about jealousy because the young lot don't have the same terms. i completely understand the begrudgery, but they should join the union.

They did cus its mandatory..... shows how confident the unions are in how people perceive their benefits if membership has to be mandatory.

Its the same as with the teachers a few years ago the unions don't care about the young workers and will screw them over and over to placate the hardcore old time die hard union heads.

Also theres plenty of stories from people claiming to have worked for Tesco disagreeing and saying that the pre-96ers basically walked around like their sh1ts didnt smell

Richard Hillman · 22-02-2017 04:07PM

Very sad walking into my local Newsagents and Off Licence and seeing people just standing around because of the strike. Normal businesses that are competing with Tesco are getting screw by this.

I have however noticed that the car park at my local Tesco has been slowly getting more active. They need to win this within the next week or people will stop caring.

Conall Cernach · 22-02-2017 04:09PM

amtc wrote: »

Tesco Roselawn has the entrances picketed. I parked there to get my hair done and was leafleted. Plus my dad was stopped going into the pub. I didn't go into Tesco but that's at least 15 small shops affected...all still paying full rent.

What do you mean they stopped your father going into the pub? Do you mean they prevented him from going in or did they stop him to give him a leaflet?

There is a picket on in my local Tesco, which is in a shopping centre, but the picketers are not stopping people going about their business or affecting other businesses.

ThisRegard · 22-02-2017 05:08PM

end of the road wrote: »

but they should join the union.

I thought you knew everything that goes on in there? As has been pointed out to you, they are in the union. And those in the union are refusing en mass to join the existing strikers.

Richard Hillman · 22-02-2017 05:18PM

Conall Cernach wrote: »

What do you mean they stopped your father going into the pub? Do you mean they prevented him from going in or did they stop him to give him a leaflet?

There is a picket on in my local Tesco, which is in a shopping centre, but the picketers are not stopping people going about their business or affecting other businesses.

They are being sneaky about blocking cars and making people uncomfortable. They'll conveniently cross a road at the entrance when they see the cars come in/Go out of the car parks and give the daggers to the driver. Or they'll shout jokingly "I hope your not crossing the picket" to somebody they know but it's designed to send a message.

With more people crossing the picket they'll start to lose their **** over the next couple of weeks.

Tzardine · 22-02-2017 05:37PM

I went up to Tesco today in Baggot St to get some lunch. Pretty vocal protest going on there. There was even a contract security officer present, which I dont normally see.

I strolled past the lot of them on my way into the shop. No words said but loads of daggers thrown.

I have no problem crossing a picket when a labour court recommendation is being ignored. Likewise, if Tesco was ignoring a labour court recommendation I would not be shopping with them. I find it crazy that we have a labour court that people can chose to ignore. It happens in my job too from both union and management.

Maguined · 22-02-2017 05:50PM

end of the road wrote: »

except that doesn't happen, the pre-96 comrades don't refuse to do shifts. it's all about jealousy because the young lot don't have the same terms. i completely understand the begrudgery, but they should join the union.

I did not say they don't do shifts I said they don't do the crap shifts as their 96 contracts were at a time before people did late night and even 24 hour shopping. This is the what the company believes they have to do to compete with the likes of Lidl and Aldi who are taking over the market.

So what do you propose? that management give these same nicer day shift to the new staff as well making the company less competitive and potentially cost the company any chance of profits in order to keep things fair with the new staff? Keep going as they were which is basically the 96 staff doing the nice shifts and lumping the new staff with the crap shifts?

Where is the solidarity the 96 staff have with the newer younger staff? There is none, as long as they have a benefit they couldn't care about the younger staff being screwed over but as soon as they want something they expect the rest to show solidarity with them. Their solidarity is not a two way street it seems.

Havockk · 22-02-2017 06:01PM

The Right sure do love free speech, except of course when it is out of the mouths of the labour movement.

nhunter100 · 22-02-2017 06:04PM

Tzardine wrote:

I have no problem crossing a picket when a labour court recommendation is being ignored. Likewise, if Tesco was ignoring a labour court recommendation I would not be shopping with them. I find it crazy that we have a labour court that people can chose to ignore. It happens in my job too from both union and management.

So you know exactly what the Labour recommendation is, also you do realise it is non binding on either party?

end of the road · 22-02-2017 06:05PM

Maguined wrote: »

I did not say they don't do shifts I said they don't do the crap shifts as their 96 contracts were at a time before people did late night and even 24 hour shopping. This is the what the company believes they have to do to compete with the likes of Lidl and Aldi who are taking over the market.

So what do you propose? that management give these same nicer day shift to the new staff as well making the company less competitive and potentially cost the company any chance of profits in order to keep things fair with the new staff? Keep going as they were which is basically the 96 staff doing the nice shifts and lumping the new staff with the crap shifts?

Where is the solidarity the 96 staff have with the newer younger staff? There is none, as long as they have a benefit they couldn't care about the younger staff being screwed over but as soon as they want something they expect the rest to show solidarity with them. Their solidarity is not a two way street it seems.

the pre-96 workers signed a contract. the contract must be honoured.

Tzardine · 22-02-2017 06:06PM

nhunter100 wrote: »

So you know exactly what the Labour recommendation is, also you do realise it is non binding on either party?

Yes I am aware that they are non-binding. That is exactly my point which you missed.

Why bother going in the first place if either party can just ignore it anyway.

nhunter100 · 22-02-2017 06:11PM

Tzardine wrote:

Why bother going in the first place if either party can just ignore it anyway.

Mediation, also the Labour court recommended that both parties engaged in dialogue, something that has failed to happen. Although in fairness Tesco did engage in dialogue however it was with the media instead of the union.

blackwhite · 22-02-2017 06:24PM

fullstop wrote: »

You seem to know everything there is to know going on within every company there's a strike at...or is it just that you blindly support every strike 'cause 'solidarity'?

Funniest think I ever read on boards :D:D

Picket lines are always good and should be supported unconditionally.......... unless they are picket lines to protest Garth Brooks.
Then the riot squad and water cannons should be brought out :pac:

Welcome to the logic of EOTR :P

VinLieger · 22-02-2017 06:31PM

Havockk wrote: »

The Right sure do love free speech, except of course when it is out of the mouths of the labour movement.

What an ignorant post, disagreeing with unions and their actions does not automatically make you right wing in all of your beliefs.

blackwhite · 22-02-2017 06:34PM

VinLieger wrote: »

What an ignorant post, disagreeing with unions and their actions does not automatically make you right wing in all of your beliefs.

I'm not even seeing where the "free speech" angle comes into the debate.

Not supporting a strike is somehow trying to surpress free speech now

ShaneU · 22-02-2017 07:30PM

Tzardine wrote: »

I have no problem crossing a picket when a labour court recommendation is being ignored. Likewise, if Tesco was ignoring a labour court recommendation I would not be shopping with them. I find it crazy that we have a labour court that people can chose to ignore. It happens in my job too from both union and management.

Then you must be shocked when I tell you that Tesco are still ignoring a Labour Court recommendation from over a year ago to give a 2% pay rise to pre 96 staff.

ted1 · 22-02-2017 07:32PM

end of the road wrote: »

the pre-96 workers signed a contract. the contract must be honoured.

Did Tesco even have a website in 96? People do have to realise that things change

ted1 · 22-02-2017 07:36PM

Bateman wrote: »

We all like a wind up every now and again but people have to have a look at themselves and see the bigger picture here, if your parents had stable jobs and rared you well, you'd hope you can do the same for your kids, the zero hour culture will eventually destroy society but I suppose it will all have been worth it for a wind up on AH

Tesco doesn't not do zero hour contracts

end of the road · 22-02-2017 07:36PM

ted1 wrote: »

Did Tesco even have a website in 96? People do have to realise that things change

people don't have to realise things change as they signed a contract and the contract must be honoured. contract takes priority over soundbites.

ted1 · 22-02-2017 08:05PM

end of the road wrote: »

people don't have to realise things change as they signed a contract and the contract must be honoured. contract takes priority over soundbites.

Common sense also takes priority. Anybody who thinks that they should keep the same working conditions as they had 20 years ago are mad. They don't belong in the workplace and are everything that's wrong with unions.

end of the road · 22-02-2017 08:48PM

ted1 wrote: »

Common sense also takes priority. Anybody who thinks that they should keep the same working conditions as they had 20 years ago are mad. They don't belong in the workplace and are everything that's wrong with unions.

they are everything that is right about unions as they will stand and fight to insure that agreements that were put in place are honoured. they absolutely belong in the work place and if the company wishes to change the contract then the staff have to agree to it otherwise it doesn't get changed.

amtc · 22-02-2017 08:49PM

Re my dad...they didn't physically stop him going into pub but it's accessed by a side entrance into smaller car park and that was picketed plus there was banging on car roofs

Naos · 22-02-2017 08:58PM

amtc wrote: »

Re my dad...they didn't physically stop him going into pub but it's accessed by a side entrance into smaller car park and that was picketed plus there was banging on car roofs

Banging on the car? Have you witnessed that yourself?

I would be majorly, majorly pissed if someone started banging on my car.

Naos · 22-02-2017 08:59PM

end of the road wrote: »

they are everything that is right about unions as they will stand and fight to insure that agreements that were put in place are honoured. they absolutely belong in the work place and if the company wishes to change the contract then the staff have to agree to it otherwise it doesn't get changed.

Why do you think the pre-96ers didn't go on strike when the post-96ers were signing their contracts, contracts that were deemed worse than theirs?

sjb25 · 22-02-2017 09:03PM

Naos wrote: »

Banging on the car? Have you witnessed that yourself?

I would be majorly, majorly pissed if someone started banging on my car.

Deafintaly if they started banging on my car they would be having a major problem pretty quickly I'm all for the right the have to strike but no way would the get away with that

Richard Hillman · 22-02-2017 09:20PM

Tzardine wrote: »

I went up to Tesco today in Baggot St to get some lunch. Pretty vocal protest going on there. There was even a contract security officer present, which I dont normally see.

I strolled past the lot of them on my way into the shop. No words said but loads of daggers thrown.

I have no problem crossing a picket when a labour court recommendation is being ignored. Likewise, if Tesco was ignoring a labour court recommendation I would not be shopping with them. I find it crazy that we have a labour court that people can chose to ignore. It happens in my job too from both union and management.

Baggot Street is quite strange considering I don't think they have any Pre-96 workers. I was in a post 96 tesco the other day and there was no strike. My local one is on strike as they have a few Pre-96. I wonder if the people outside were actual Tesco workers or hired goons?

Crunchy Friends · 22-02-2017 09:38PM

Seeing a lot of references on here that pre-96ers are on 14 euro an hour - they're on a lot more than that. A close family member of mine earns around 13 euro an hour having been there 11 years so the pre-96ers are miles ahead.

The thing that bothers me about this kind of strike is I wonder if the situation was reversed would they support the rest of the staff? My relative who works there does the same work and more (supervisory duties without pay) and yet gets paid what I hear is less than half of what some of those staff are on.

I'm not saying I don't support the strike as I don't believe we should be all racing to the bottom of the barrel. I hope it gets resolved soon as I know my relative is really concerned there will be an all out strike if it's not resolved and she definitely cannot afford to be down pay, as I'm sure is the same for a lot of staff.

nhunter100 · 22-02-2017 09:41PM

Crunchy Friends wrote:

The thing that bothers me about this kind of strike is I wonder if the situation was reversed would they support the rest of the staff? My relative who works there does the same work and more (supervisory duties without pay) and yet gets paid what I hear is a third of what some of those staff are on.

So you're claiming some of the 96'ers are on 39 euro an hour in comparison to your family member who is on 13 euro an hour. I get a faint whiff of BS here.

ted1 · 22-02-2017 09:44PM

nhunter100 wrote: »

So you're claiming some of the 96'ers are on 39 euro an hour in comparison to your family member who is on 13 euro an hour. I get a faint whiff of BS here.

They were offered 105k redundancy which would imply that they were something good

Crunchy Friends · 22-02-2017 09:45PM

nhunter100 wrote: »

So you're claiming some of the 96'ers are on 39 euro an hour in comparison to your family member who is on 13 euro an hour. I get a faint whiff of BS here.

Sorry I meant to say less than half. I believe it is around 30 euro an hour.

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