2016-17 UEFA Champions League

Rayne Wooney · 22-02-2017 02:21PM

Pep is a good manager but not the game changer he was built up as at Barca, he is no better than Mourinho or Ancelotti.

I think there is a good player in Stones, he is incredibly unlucky his last two managers don't know what defending is

Andersonisgod · 22-02-2017 02:35PM

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Pep is a good manager but not the game changer he was built up as at Barca, he is no better than Mourinho or Ancelotti.

I think there is a good player in Stones, he is incredibly unlucky his last two managers don't know what defending is

I think it really depends on what you want from your manager. I'm not disagreeing with you but I think those 3 coaches tick different boxes and perhaps are better suited at different clubs.

In terms of being a game changer, personally I think he has been. Even ignoring the trends he's set tactically, I think one of the big things about Guardiola has been his influence on other coaches. A bit like Cruyff or Bielsa were touchpoints for Guardiola, I think you are seeing (and will see more of) a lot of coaches coming through who'll note Guardiola as being their inspiration/reference point.

dr.kenneth noisewater · 22-02-2017 02:55PM

emmetkenny wrote: »

dr.kenneth noisewater wrote: »

To be fair Fergie built Utd into that team and then rebuilt the team over a few times and Wenger did the same in his first decade. Pep has never built a team and I think thats why he came to City

City already had a very good base though, yes some of the players are aging but every manager would have liked to have Hart, Silva, De Bryne, Augero, Sterling etc in their squad.

It's not like he's joined Southampton. He's joined the club with the richest owners in the PL.

Yeah thats true, suppose what I meant is he wants to build a team is dominant in England and that win 3-4 leagues and a CL which Utd and Liverpool have done in the past.

sReq | uTeK · 22-02-2017 02:57PM

Andersonisgod wrote: »

I won't engage in the Pep debate again cos it's super boring and it seems to occur 80% of the tim with Man Utd Boards. When you have a poster who thinks a coach who is lauded by almost every coach on the planet for his match preparation and eye for detailing actually suggesting his pre match team talks consist of "attack, pass and press." Then really, what hope for intelligent debate exists?

I'll quickly leave you with this to ponder. The Barcelona team he inherited lost to Man Utd in a CL semi finals without scoring a goal over 2 legs and finished 3rd in La Liga, behind Real Madrid and Villareal, 18 points behind Real Madrid. Never let history be rewritten.

I'd this the same attention to detail that had him persist with Bravo who couldn't save a shot on target.

The same attention to detail when he sets up the EXACT SAME against every team he faces.

inforfun · 22-02-2017 02:58PM

Andersonisgod wrote: »

I think you are seeing (and will see more of) a lot of coaches coming through who'll note Guardiola as being their inspiration/reference point.

May i present you Erik ten Hag of FC Utrecht

He not only wants to play like him, he wants to look like him as well.

dr.kenneth noisewater · 22-02-2017 03:08PM

sky88 wrote: »

dr.kenneth noisewater wrote: »

To be fair Fergie built Utd into that team and then rebuilt the team over a few times and Wenger did the same in his first decade. Pep has never built a team and I think thats why he came to City

i would agree with that totally but its very rare for any modern manager to build the team anymore as all the big teams have the money to buy who they want.

i think pep and jose have never really built a team, they have already had very good squads when they got there. maybe jose at porto did but tbh im too sure about it but with jose he has always been great at adding the finishing touches to make a squad great.

Yeah I dont think we will see a manager like Fergie or Wenger build a team or teams again but suppose what I meant is that Pep can build a legacy at City and thats what attracted him

Maximus Alexander · 22-02-2017 03:09PM

inforfun wrote: »

May i present you Erik ten Hag of FC Utrecht

He not only wants to play like him, he wants to look like him as well.

Guardiolito.

Andersonisgod · 22-02-2017 03:15PM

inforfun wrote: »

May i present you Erik ten Hag of FC Utrecht

He not only wants to play like him, he wants to look like him as well.

That is terrifying. Not sure devotion should ever stretch quite THAT far.

Andersonisgod · 22-02-2017 03:22PM

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

I'd this the same attention to detail that had him persist with Bravo who couldn't save a shot on target.

The same attention to detail when he sets up the EXACT SAME against every team he faces.

I dont know why I'm doing this but out of sheer morbid curiousity, how many times do you think Guardiola changed his formation during the game last night?

22-02-2017 03:37PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Klopp and Jose have been given time and I dont see why Pep should be different.

Now I have my reservations about him, but he does deserve chance, and by that I mean 2-3 seasons. They still have outside chance in PL too.

Doubt there is anybody who disagrees with this however I find it hard to discuss logically with Barca-Man City-Pep Boards.

Pep has been under pressure a couple of times this season but to his credit has bounced back on a few occasions and as you say deserves 2-3 seasons before he can be truly judged.

I personally don't think he will have enough to elevate Man City as winners as he doesn't have the Messi / Xavi / Iniesta levels of quality in his side and he continues to show he cannot identify defenders who can actually defend. I would rate Puyol as one of the best defenders he had at Barca but he did not sign him.
Dani Alves maybe? I would rate him. I'm not sure if he signed him tho so open to correction.

Performances like last night are to praised from an attacking sense but if you cannot defend you will be punished by betters sides.
That tie is far from over either, people seem to forget they conceded 3 goals at home.

inforfun · 22-02-2017 03:51PM

Andersonisgod wrote: »

That is terrifying. Not sure devotion should ever stretch quite THAT far.

They were at Bayern together, you might recall. He was in charge of Bayern II in the regional liga.

Even better... in a Pep suit

22-02-2017 04:41PM

ERG89 wrote: »

Juve should be able to beat Porto. They'd be my favourites for the tournament if not for the nagging doubts around Allegri's future.
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I think for Allegri to keep the job they must win. If he leaves Bonucci on the stand for discipline, and Barzagli, Chiellini are uncertain to be fit.

jmayo · 22-02-2017 06:23PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I think for Allegri to keep the job they must win. If he leaves Bonucci on the stand for discipline, and Barzagli, Chiellini are uncertain to be fit.

Allergi is also going to discipline himself for the outburst between himself and Bonucci.

Maybe if Bonucci is out of favour at Juve he may move.

Imagine if Pep decided to actually go for a real defender rather than turn yet another midfielder into a centre half.

BTW has anyone noticed Massimiliano Allegri's wiki page.

He is in charge at Arsenal already

Massimiliano Allegri (Italian pronunciation: [massimiˈljano alˈleɡri]; born 11 August 1967) is an Italian professional football manager, currently in charge of English club Arsenal, and former midfielder.

He would be much better than the much touted Monaco manager who last night showed how much he knows about fixing Arsenal's defensive frailties.

Turtwig · 22-02-2017 07:48PM

I like Allegri, he's underrated imo wouldn't be a bad choice for Arsenal.

22-02-2017 07:56PM

Leicester in for a bad beating tonight?

GreNoLi · 22-02-2017 08:04PM

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Leicester in for a bad beating tonight?

Either that or a heroic draw, juve to win but they would be nowhere near my favourites for the cup.

Turtwig · 22-02-2017 08:45PM

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Leicester in for a bad beating tonight?

Sevilla's style should suit them. I suspect Leicester will actually give a crap tonight. Still even if peak Leicester show up I'd expect Sevilla to win.

LuckyGent88 · 22-02-2017 08:59PM

So stupid and sloppy from Morgan. Should have been cleared twice before that

SlickRic · 22-02-2017 09:00PM

Pathetic penalty.

ollie1 · 22-02-2017 09:00PM

Well done Kasper

kksaints · 22-02-2017 09:00PM

Awful penalty.

Harry Palmr · 22-02-2017 09:01PM

George Hamilton sounds disembodied

Richard Hillman · 22-02-2017 09:06PM

Looks like he pulled rank and took the penalty over the designated taker. Same with Falcao last night and I think there was one in the Huddersfield game too, all missed. It is disgraceful behaviour, goal or no goal.