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2016-17 UEFA Champions League

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,475 ✭✭✭KaiserGunner


    GavRedKing wrote: »
    All the English sides will be out of the UCL by the end of this round anyway so the arguments are kind of pointless.

    Luckily football isn't won or lost on paper. You may be right, but it's definitely not a given. Two average teams in Liverpool (2005) and Chelsea (2012) won the competition when they were poor in the league 5th place and 6th place finish respectively. So I wouldn't be counting any chickens yet before a ball is kicked in them ties.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,611 ✭✭✭✭ERG89


    I hope Napoli don't choke tonight. If they play to form they might knock out Real. Few players in Europe playing as well as Mertens right now. I worry they will screw up like they tend to do under pressure


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,973 ✭✭✭Sugarlumps


    Always found Bayern to be uppity. Arsenal have got to go for it tonight. Every chance they can claw something from tonight's fixture.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,267 ✭✭✭✭GavRedKing


    Luckily football isn't won or lost on paper. You may be right, but it's definitely not a given. Two average teams in Liverpool (2005) and Chelsea (2012) won the competition when they were poor in the league 5th place and 6th place finish respectively. So I wouldn't be counting any chickens yet before a ball is kicked in them ties.

    You're right, nothing is won on paper but all 3 English sides, if you ignore the English bias in the media, wouldnt be favourites to beat the sides they are playing, IMO, again, thats on paper but theres a reason for that, Sevilla and Munich are better than Leicester and Arsenal, while Monaco have beaten Spurs home and away, who were up until Monday night, ahead of City in the league, so City wont have it all there own way in that game.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,762 ✭✭✭✭Quazzie


    Giggsy11 wrote: »
    From around 10 points behind 4th position to just 4 points from 2nd position and 2 points from 4th is not a bad form, also one more cup finals and still in 2 more cup competitions.

    So yeah things are going well.
    Wow. you moved up zero positions in the league. Don't let all that success go to your head now!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,521 ✭✭✭Giggsy11


    Quazzie wrote: »
    Wow. you moved up zero positions in the league. Don't let all that success go to your head now!

    And Arsenal dropped 2 positions.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,821 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    Enjoying a game for Barcelona is much more important than only winning.....

    Sure ye put a smile on most peoples faces last night.

    No need to feel so down..

    Nice one

    EVENFLOW



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,382 ✭✭✭✭greendom


    Giggsy11 wrote: »
    You too with Wenger for few more years. :D

    I wonder whether the mess United made of replacing Fergie has put our board off replacing Arsene!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,080 ✭✭✭✭Maximus Alexander


    greendom wrote: »
    I wonder whether the mess United made of replacing Fergie has put our board off replacing Arsene!

    Yeah they wouldn't want to risk not winning the league for the next few years. Oh wait.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,475 ✭✭✭KaiserGunner


    jmayo wrote: »

    Oh and for your information, Barcelona for such a vaunted club did little in Europe for a lot of their history.
    4 of their European Cups/CLs have been won in the last 12 years.
    Up to their 1989 win they had been in only two other top flight finals.

    Yeah it's amazing when you think about it. Back in May 2006 Arsenal were 15 mins away from their first ever European cup and thus matching the Mighty Barcelona in European cups won. Obviously Barcelona won it in the end winning their second European cup.

    Just goes to show the fortunes on the pitch since. Barcelona are this European juggernaut with multiple European cups since and Arsenal are regularly ridiculed about their European pedigree. A decade is a long time in football.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,382 ✭✭✭✭greendom


    Yeah they wouldn't want to risk not winning the league for the next few years. Oh wait.

    I imagine you may have an idea of how the Arsenal board works. The financial reward of reaching the Champions League is considered a success.

    Be interesting to see what happens if we do miss out this year.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    ERG89 wrote: »
    I hope Napoli don't choke tonight. If they play to form they might knock out Real. Few players in Europe playing as well as Mertens right now. I worry they will screw up like they tend to do under pressure

    You'd expect Napoli to qualify. They are more clinical in terms of converting their chances as of late, something they were struggling with before. Madrid are a fairly average side at the moment and Osasuna should have beat them at the weekend. Although, I wouldn't be surprised if Napoli went back to their old ways on the big stage and create chance after chance and going so close time and again only to blow it, similar to Roma v Madrid in the group stages, with Madrid getting a cheap goal or two that isn't wholly deserved. But we'll see I guess


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    GavRedKing wrote: »
    You're right, nothing is won on paper but all 3 English sides, if you ignore the English bias in the media, wouldnt be favourites to beat the sides they are playing, IMO, again, thats on paper but theres a reason for that, Sevilla and Munich are better than Leicester and Arsenal, while Monaco have beaten Spurs home and away, who were up until Monday night, ahead of City in the league, so City wont have it all there own way in that game.

    I'd fully expect Monaco to do a clinical job on Man City. City are too flakey, disjointed and headless and could be ripped apart by Monaco, similar to Spurs. Although if Arsenal are up for it, they could take Bayern....another team all over the place and without real direction at the moment


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    greendom wrote: »
    can you point out the nuance - I really don't see it - thanks!

    Is it not obvious? Although it is Barca, it's not the Barca we've come to know and expect


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,345 ✭✭✭jamescd


    I'd fully expect Monaco to do a clinical job on Man City. City are too flakey, disjointed and headless and could be ripped apart by Monaco, similar to Spurs. Although if Arsenal are up for it, they could take Bayern....another team all over the place and without real direction at the moment

    And Arsenal do? :pac: Between the two of them, I would say Arsenal are far and away the team more lacking in direction.

    I'm an Arsenal fan but I'm just hoping it's not too much of a heavy defeat so the 2nd leg at the Emirates is not a dead rubber like the Barca - PSG game.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    jamescd wrote: »
    And Arsenal do? :pac: Between the two of them, I would say Arsenal are far and away the team more lacking in direction.

    I'm an Arsenal fan but I'm just hoping it's not too much of a heavy defeat so the 2nd leg at the Emirates is not a dead rubber like the Barca - PSG game.

    Yes. Arsenal aren't that good, but generally we know what to expect and how they'll set up. Bayern have the better players but are disjointed and lack direction due to the Guardiola hangover of playing tiki-taka fooball. It will be touch and go. I wouldn't be overly confident on either team tbh


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,037 ✭✭✭✭The Talking Bread


    GavRedKing wrote: »
    You're right, nothing is won on paper but all 3 English sides, if you ignore the English bias in the media, wouldnt be favourites to beat the sides they are playing, IMO, again, thats on paper but theres a reason for that, Sevilla and Munich are better than Leicester and Arsenal, while Monaco have beaten Spurs home and away, who were up until Monday night, ahead of City in the league, so City wont have it all there own way in that game.

    Man City are very much favourites so if you are so confident Monaco will go through, you have plenty of bookie chalk to tempt you to put your money where you mouth is!

    FWIW, I genuinely can't call it but with a head on the block, I wouldn't back against City.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,267 ✭✭✭✭GavRedKing


    Ancelottis bread and butter is European football, hes got a poor league title ratio in his career when you consider whos hes managed but his UCL record is excellent.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    Man City are very much favourites so if you are so confident Monaco will go through, you have plenty of bookie chalk to tempt you to put your money where you mouth is!

    FWIW, I genuinely can't call it but with a head on the block, I wouldn't back against City.

    Yes, because they've been so consistent this year they'd fill anyone with confidence. They will be playing straight into Monaco's hands


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,337 ✭✭✭✭monkey9


    Yeah, i can see Monaco knocking out City. Arsenal might just pull off a surprise.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,037 ✭✭✭✭The Talking Bread


    Yes, because they've been so consistent this year they'd fill anyone with confidence. They will be playing straight into Monaco's hands

    Is it always so black and white with you?! Who said they filled me with confidence, indeed I pointed out clearly neither team would for different reasons.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    Is it always so black and white with you?! Who said they filled me with confidence, indeed I pointed out clearly neither team would for different reasons.

    I never said they filled you with confidence in particular, it was a turn of phrase


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,262 ✭✭✭iroced


    Nonsense! That's a silly cliché! Ibra works extremely hard but is intelligent enough to know the appropriate trade offs when it comes to getting the most out of himself and sacrificing same for the team.
    Have you been watching United lately? Yes he can be selfish, but not so much that it destroys the balance of teamwork. Not all the time!
    If that's the case get rid of Messi and Ronaldo too. I mean it's a disgrace that 34 year old managed 49 goals in the calendar year and at 35 is 1 goal off the top scorers chart in supposedly the hardest league in English football. And this all with his team mates stating what a joy he is to be around.

    NOW HEY. Don't let logic and the fact that he has moved from essentially an inside forward to a central striker is the real reason he's getting more goals and looks more confident.

    But hey, again I think Suarez should be benched for Uruguay so we can facilitate Cavanni up top top.

    TLDR: Of course you're going to be happy playing in the position you want. Sadly when someone is better than you you play where you can to get game time
    Ibra is a selfish arrogant player who only cares about himself. His declaration while at PSG were pathetically comical when he was considering himself the best ever player the club had and his time there the best ever period PSG got.

    He is an exceptionally skilled player, particularly for his size. But he never integrated well with the collective play of any team he played for. He vampirises the playing around himself. Such that the team ends up depending on himself. Problem is he's never been there in the latter stages of the CL. And that's logical. No player bar maybe Maradona has ever won such an important trophy by himself. Even Messi. Messi greatest seasons were with the Busquets-Xavi-Iniesta trio at his best. Ditto Ronaldo. Sergio Ramos is as important a player for Real Madrid. And if you really wanna go the comparison route with these 2, well, 1) Ibra has never been as prolific as these 2, particulalrly in the CL ; 2) even them made more efforts than him for their team, it's particularly blatant for Messi lately who's been almost playing like a number 10 at times.

    Is it only a coincidence Inter won the CL when he left? Is it only a coincidence the year he was in the great Guardiola's Barça they did not win the CL while they were dominating Europe and won it just before and right after his passage at the club? Is it only a coincidence Qatari's PSG best 2 games were without him (the 2-2 in Stamford Bridge where he only contributed in getting sent off and yesterday where the collective play of the team was the best we've seen from this recent PSG team)?

    Now you can throw at me all the domestic titles he's won. All the goals he scored. He always does (he's a great fantasyfootball pick in a way :p). You could also note that it often was in a team over-dominating its championship. Admittedly he was a part of that domination. But I never saw him sacrifice himself like Eto'O did for Inter in their heroic second leg in Camp Nou. I never saw him put his ego down to integrate with Messi's Barça. And if you want a comparison, Thierry Henry did and accepted to be a player in the shadow for Barça. And surprise surprise Barça won everything this very year.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,292 ✭✭✭GreNoLi


    Putting my neck on the line and backing home wins tonight.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 40,059 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    FC Bayern München

    @FCBayern

    Die Aufstellung ist da: Neuer - Lahm, Hummels, Martínez, Alaba - Xabi Alonso, Vidal - Robben, Thiago, Costa - Lewandowski.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,643 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Nice Guy


    Bayern and Arsenal teams:
    Bayern Munich XI: Neuer; Lahm, Hummels, Martinez, Alaba; Alonso, Vidal; Robben, Thiago, Costa; Lewandowski.

    Arsenal XI: Ospina; Bellerin, Mustafi, Koscielny, Gibbs; Xhaka, Coquelin; Oxlade-Chamberlain, Ozil, Iwobi; Sanchez.

    Doesn't look a great team selection from Arsenal. Ospina over Cech? I wouldn't be surprised if Arsenal get walloped tonight.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,625 ✭✭✭✭Johner


    3-0 Bayern.

    3-1 Real.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,292 ✭✭✭GreNoLi


    Ospina's the right call but that arsenal midfield looks ropey, that bayern team ain't exactly spring chickens, 2-1 bayern.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,224 ✭✭✭✭klose


    Bayern and Arsenal teams:



    Doesn't look a great team selection from Arsenal. Ospina over Cech? I wouldn't be surprised if Arsenal get walloped tonight.

    Cech is hardly having a stormer of a season and ospina plays pretty much every game in the cups iirc.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,643 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Nice Guy


    klose wrote: »
    Cech is hardly having a stormer of a season and ospina plays pretty much every game in the cups iirc.

    You're right Cech hasn't been in good form but I feel if the plan was to play Ospina in this tie then Cech should have been dropped sooner to give Ospina a run of games. Tough situation to be thrown into against one of the world's best strikers.


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