Official Conor McGregor thread (part 3) *Updated Warning in 1st Post Re:Boxing match

Mellor · 05-02-2017 02:05AM

hewhoscares wrote: »

And Dustin Poirer shouldn't be one of the best wins of a GOAT's career. As steady a fighter as he is.

Dustin is his 5th best win, 6th if he defends the LW title.
Aldo 6th best win is maybe Ricardo Lamas or Cub Swanson.

GSP and Jones have really solid top 10s. But you're probably starting to scrap after that.

05-02-2017 02:34AM

In my opinion being a legend doesn't have to be about defending a million times or anything. If Conor defended the belt and beat Nate and then retired, he would be talked about for ever.

Gamebred · 05-02-2017 02:38AM

If he doesnt win another single fight he will still go down in history as a legend of mma.

EagererBeaver · 05-02-2017 09:09AM

The Ayatolla wrote: »

LOL.

Conor McGregor IS MMA.

People who believe this make a mockery of the sport. McGregor is the biggest star by a country mile and the UFC need him more than anyone, as a business. But to write off everyone else? Maddening attitude.

cletus · 05-02-2017 09:30AM

I think Ayatollah is being facetious, but for many casual fans, McGregor is mma, just like Tiger Woods was golf, Roger Federer was tennis, Michael Schumacher was F1, etc etc.

Casual fans of all sports are drawn in by stars, and that's OK, because its the masses of casual fans tuning in that make the sport popular. The hope would be that some of those casual fans get drawn into the sport and stay regardless of the star.

If mma was watched only by the hardcore fans, it'd still be banned in 49 states, and there'd be 12 of us discussing dl'd versions of the fights in some dark corner of the interwebz

Mellor · 05-02-2017 09:56AM

cletus wrote: »

Roger Federer was tennis,

Was?
Has he died or something

cletus · 05-02-2017 10:18AM

I see Ayatollah is not the only one capable of facetiousness

Mellor · 05-02-2017 10:46AM

cletus wrote: »

I see Ayatollah is not the only one capable of facetiousness

After last weekend's match feel he's still the king.

#SlowMMAWeek

raze_them_all_ · 06-02-2017 02:31AM

The Ayatolla wrote: »

LOL.

Conor McGregor IS MMA. We'll not see the likes of him ever again and he trumps all those names above in terms of star power and being a household name.

except we will, mma is mainstream, loads of us thought Fedor was the special legend, then it was anderson, there is always someone new to step up and fill the spot, the closest to perfect fighter i've ever seen is floyd mayweather, and im not a massive boxing fan but he will be hard to replace

riffmongous · 06-02-2017 02:42AM

Deleted User wrote: »

In my opinion being a legend doesn't have to be about defending a million times or anything. If Conor defended the belt and beat Nate and then retired, he would be talked about for ever.

Got to agree, Conor will go down as a legend imo because he has, to an extent that is not yet fully clear, managed to change the game.

krustycustomer · 06-02-2017 12:50PM

. Signing that 8 fight deal had him a little trapped, but this is about as good as his leverage can get in the position he in contractually.

Trapped, but its still 100 million dollar contract, resulting is earning 40 million last year. Money wise, looks like a winning deal. Only current superstar. Belts seem to get exchanged so often now (bar mighty) I think winning them and defending seldom is wise

wonderfullife · 06-02-2017 01:09PM

One thing is for sure - He owns one of the most legendary stretches of time in MMA history. To go 4-1 against Mendes, Aldo, Diaz and Alvarez over 5 fights in exactly 16 months is almost unprecedented.

There's only 2 comparisons I can make.

GSP's 5-1 stretch over Penn, Hughes, Serra and Koscheck was done in 2 years and 1 month.

Anderson Silva had a 5-0 stretch beating Griffin, Maia, Sonnen, Belfort, Okami (stunning stuff) but that was a 3-year and 1 month run. It's not easy to compare and contrast the caliber of opponents Conor, GSP and Anderson faced but I'd argue Anderson had the toughest opponents, especially during the TRT-era.

When you throw in numbers (as many hate to do), Conor's 16 month stretch becomes even more phenomenal.

$53,900,000 is the total Gate receipts for Conor's fights (189, 194, 196, 202, 205). To average nearly $11 million at the Gate over 5 consecutive fights will never be repeated.

6.3 million PPV over 5 fights. Again, incredible stuff. Doubt it will ever be replicated to average over 1.2 million for 5 fights.

42,500 - Weigh in attendances over the 5 fights. That's just incredible to draw an average of over 8,000 to watch him stand on a scales in his shorts.

Then forget the numbers and sprinkle in some of the magical moments. The 'Rest My Balls on Your Forehead' Fight with Sinead O' Connor singing him out to one of the best atmospheres ever seen. UFC 189 soaring with every fight getting better, one of the top 5 Best Main Cards in history. He scrambles out of the guillotine and delivers the left to a tiring Mendes and hugs his mother in tears in the cage.

The step-back counter left that sent Aldo crashing to the mat and Frank Fertitta jumping up and down like a moose. The electricity in the crowd that night and the post-fight interview on his own at the podium. "Ireland, baby, we did it".

The crazy rollercoaster of UFC 196, animal balloons and touch-butt, followed by the fight itself. Conor head-hunting and dominating until that stunning moment when Nate landed the 1, 2 flush and time stood still. First time any of us had seen Conor seriously hurt. Followed by Nate cutting through Conor on the floor and making Conor look like he really didn't know how to tie his brown belt.

202 showed us discipline and a willingness to adjust. His first adaptation was going from water bottles to Monster cans. In the fight itself, he toyed with Nate in Round 1 and most of Round 2 before Nate rallied. That image of Nate picking Conor off the deck at the end of the 5th was one of the best images of the year.

205 he proved Santa Claus is real and New York is a concrete jungle where dreams are made of. His most clinical performance to date in what was supposed to be his toughest test. Eddie falling to the deck eyes closed after the first double-left landed yet he kept getting up. Conor showing us a little top-game in controlling him on the ground and landing some good shots. And then of course the highlight reel combo to end the show. To this day, people seem to talk about Cowboys combo over Rick Story more than Conor's but to my mind both were stunning.

Go further back still and that night in Dublin was one of the most amazing nights Irish MMA and Irish sport have ever seen and in my mind it's right up there with other great nights like Robbie Brady in Lille and Brian O' Driscolls hat-trick against France which helped inspire a decade of fresh belief in Irish rugby.

If Conor called it a day tomorrow after a dodgy brain scan (touch wood), he'd have left us with amazing memories. Already. The fact that there might be more to come is great but whatever happens he has already cemented his place in MMA folklore on the Mount Rushmore alongside Liddell, GSP, Anderson and Ronda.

Legend.

The Ayatolla · 06-02-2017 01:10PM

wonderfullife wrote: »

One thing is for sure - He owns one of the most legendary stretches of time in MMA history. To go 4-1 against Mendes, Aldo, Diaz and Alvarez over 5 fights in exactly 16 months is almost unprecedented.

There's only 2 comparisons I can make.

GSP's 5-1 stretch over Penn, Hughes, Serra and Koscheck was done in 2 years and 1 month.

Anderson Silva had a 5-0 stretch beating Griffin, Maia, Sonnen, Belfort, Okami (stunning stuff) but that was a 3-year and 1 month run. It's not easy to compare and contrast the caliber of opponents Conor, GSP and Anderson faced but I'd argue Anderson had the toughest opponents, especially during the TRT-era.

When you throw in numbers (as many hate to do), Conor's 16 month stretch becomes even more phenomenal.

$53,900,000 is the total Gate receipts for Conor's fights (189, 194, 196, 202, 205). To average nearly $11 million at the Gate over 5 consecutive fights will never be repeated.

6.3 million PPV over 5 fights. Again, incredible stuff. Doubt it will ever be replicated to average over 1.2 million for 5 fights.

42,500 - Weigh in attendances over the 5 fights. That's just incredible to draw an average of over 8,000 to watch him stand on a scales in his shorts.

Then forget the numbers and sprinkle in some of the magical moments. The 'Rest My Balls on Your Forehead' Fight with Sinead O' Connor singing him out to one of the best atmospheres ever seen. UFC 189 soaring with every fight getting better, one of the top 5 Best Main Cards in history. He scrambles out of the guillotine and delivers the left to a tiring Mendes and hugs his mother in tears in the cage.

The step-back counter left that sent Aldo crashing to the mat and Frank Fertitta jumping up and down like a moose. The electricity in the crowd that night and the post-fight interview on his own at the podium. "Ireland, baby, we did it".

The crazy rollercoaster of UFC 196, animal balloons and touch-butt, followed by the fight itself. Conor head-hunting and dominating until that stunning moment when Nate landed the 1, 2 flush and time stood still. First time any of us had seen Conor seriously hurt. Followed by Nate cutting through Conor on the floor and making Conor look like he really didn't know how to tie his brown belt.

202 showed us discipline and a willingness to adjust. His first adaptation was going from water bottles to Monster cans. In the fight itself, he toyed with Nate in Round 1 and most of Round 2 before Nate rallied. That image of Nate picking Conor off the deck at the end of the 5th was one of the best images of the year.

205 he proved Santa Claus is real and New York is a concrete jungle where dreams are made of. His most clinical performance to date in what was supposed to be his toughest test. Eddie falling to the deck eyes closed after the first double-left landed yet he kept getting up. Conor showing us a little top-game in controlling him on the ground and landing some good shots. And then of course the highlight reel combo to end the show. To this day, people seem to talk about Cowboys combo over Rick Story more than Conor's but to my mind both were stunning.

Go further back still and that night in Dublin was one of the most amazing nights Irish MMA and Irish sport have ever seen and in my mind it's right up there with other great nights like Robbie Brady in Lille and Brian O' Driscolls hat-trick against France which helped inspire a decade of fresh belief in Irish rugby.

If Conor called it a day tomorrow after a dodgy brain scan (touch wood), he'd have left us with amazing memories. Already. The fact that there might be more to come is great but whatever happens he has already cemented his place in MMA folklore on the Mount Rushmore alongside Liddell, GSP, Anderson and Ronda.

Legend.

Thanks!

Conor McGregor is MMA.

dashoonage · 06-02-2017 01:35PM

The Ayatolla wrote: »

Thanks!

Conor McGregor is MMA.

He is not. There was MMA before and there Will be MMA post Mcgregor.

Conor mcgregor is UFC. There is MMA life outside the UFC.

Mellor · 06-02-2017 01:51PM

Rizin is Life

Mellor · 06-02-2017 01:59PM

wonderfullife wrote: »

There's only 2 comparisons I can make.

GSP's 5-1 stretch over Penn, Hughes, Serra and Koscheck was done in 2 years and 1 month.

Anderson Silva had a 5-0 stretch beating Griffin, Maia, Sonnen, Belfort, Okami (stunning stuff) but that was a 3-year and 1 month run. It's not easy to compare and contrast the caliber of opponents Conor, GSP and Anderson faced but I'd argue Anderson had the toughest opponents, especially during the TRT-era.

Those opponents weren't TRT era for Anderson. TRT basically started with Chael v Silva 1.

And I'd suggest Jon Jones' initial run was trumps all others;

Bader, Shogun, Rampage, Machida, Evans, Vitor. 6-0 over 20 months.

The Ayatolla · 06-02-2017 03:05PM

dashoonage wrote: »

He is not. There was MMA before and there Will be MMA post Mcgregor.

Conor mcgregor is UFC. There is MMA life outside the UFC.

To the die-hards, maybe.

xtal191 · 06-02-2017 03:31PM

Mellor wrote: »

Those opponents weren't TRT era for Anderson. TRT basically started with Chael v Silva 1.

And I'd suggest Jon Jones' initial run was trumps all others;

Bader, Shogun, Rampage, Machida, Evans, Vitor. 6-0 over 20 months.

Agreed and he was what only 23 at the start of that run I think.

akelly02 · 06-02-2017 03:55PM

Django99 wrote: »

To answer your questions on Floyd. His chin has been tested albeit very rarely. He hasn't been knocked down or even really stunned. The biggest shots he took, he took them well.

Has he fought anywone that hits like McGregor? He hasn't fought many guys as big as McGregor. Canelo, Mosley and Hatton would probably be the closest in size. They probably all hit harder than McGregor. Canelo and Hatton didn't really land any big punches, and Mosley never had him in trouble.

Your hope that McGregor isn't hitting air for 12 rounds is the most likely outcome in my opinion. If you look at any of the highlight videos of Floyd on YouTube, most of them are showing how good he is at not getting hit, particularly is tight spaces. His head is simply never where his opponent is throwing. Although many people think it's a boring style, I find his defense to be magical to watch.

Mayweather grabbing and hugging pacman every 15 seconds wasnt too magical to watch in my opinion.

hewhoscares · 06-02-2017 07:06PM

Well lots of people don't seem to be able to differentiate between GOAT and a legend.
He's an undoubted legend. He could go on a 3 fight skid and end up getting done in a clinic by , say, Ross Pearson and he's still a legend.
But GOAT discussion, PPV numbers and trash talk doesn't matter. And his resume puts him second tier for me - amongst the Randys, Chucks, Cruz, Aldo, BJ, etc

Rather than the top tier - Jones, GSP, Fedor and Silver

He beats Khabib/Ferguson, Diaz and Holloway/Aldo for his next three fights he's top tier and its debateable. He fights and beats Woodley/GSP/Thompson next he's P4P GOAT.

06-02-2017 09:03PM

hewhoscares wrote: »

Well lots of people don't seem to be able to differentiate between GOAT and a legend.
He's an undoubted legend. He could go on a 3 fight skid and end up getting done in a clinic by , say, Ross Pearson and he's still a legend.
But GOAT discussion, PPV numbers and trash talk doesn't matter. And his resume puts him second tier for me - amongst the Randys, Chucks, Cruz, Aldo, BJ, etc

Rather than the top tier - Jones, GSP, Fedor and Silver

He beats Khabib/Ferguson, Diaz and Holloway/Aldo for his next three fights he's top tier and its debateable. He fights and beats Woodley/GSP/Thompson next he's P4P GOAT.

If I was in his position id look at fighting Diaz next, then fight winner of Khabib/Ferguson and then if he is able to do a fight at FW, then retire and maybe come back for super fights now and again. Hopefully he takes an MMA fight in the summer after Dee has the baby, that is what I would like to see, but that is just one fans opinion.

The Ayatolla · 06-02-2017 09:08PM

hewhoscares wrote: »

He fights and beats Woodley/GSP/Thompson next he's P4P GOAT.

So he has to jump (arguably) two weight classes and beat guys who walk around close to 200 pounds to be considered the GOAT?

After winning two UFC belts in two weight divisions?

My god.

06-02-2017 09:10PM

The Ayatolla wrote: »

So he has to jump (arguably) two weight classes and beat guys who walk around close to 200 pounds to be considered the GOAT?

After winning two UFC belts in two weight divisions?

My god.

What Anerson Silva, Jon Jones and GSP did is way bigger in my books then Conor winning two belts and defending none, also fighting for the LW belt after never fighting at LW in the UFC once before.

Mellor · 07-02-2017 07:05AM

Deleted User wrote: »

What Anerson Silva, Jon Jones and GSP did is way bigger in my books then Conor winning two belts and defending none, also fighting for the LW belt after never fighting at LW in the UFC once before.

The fact that he never fought at LW is irrelevant in terms of his ability to fight though.
You can argue at he shouldn't have got it, personal I'd disagree but lets not rehash that one. But regardless, you can't really argue that he's not the legitimate LW champ after he picked Eddie apart.

The lineage of the LW title is immense. Conor-Eddie-RDA-Pettis-Benson Henderson-Frankie-BJ Penn...
And the guys who failed in their challenges Cowboy, Nate, Giblert, Gray Maynard, Florian, Diego Sanchez.
It's probably my favourite division in the UFC, as it been absolute quality for years. Nobody slouch is getting near a 155 strap.

maximoose · 07-02-2017 03:49PM

Q&A in the Red Cow 17th Feb

McGregor will appear at the Red Cow Moran Hotel on Naas Rd, Dublin on Friday 17th February, where he will taking some questions from the crowd and chat to fans. Tickets are €104.00

Gamebred · 07-02-2017 03:51PM

Another cash grab where he will call mayweather a pussy and talk scutter while half cut for an hour.

dave1982 · 07-02-2017 04:07PM

Paying to go see him answer questions. People have spent enough going vegas nd nyc. He should do free event entry on showing ticket stub from one of his events in the US

Edit actually says it includes a 4 course meal