Where now for ASTI? ****ASTI Action- Part III - See 1st Post***

Ohmigod guys I am just worn out but absolutely thrilled! :D:D

Marymidlands wrote: »

Are TUI doing these hours? Schools can't do pt meetings outside school if a mixed Union school?

In a dual union school. No CP hrs done at all this year by TUI.

Delighted with this result and that enough members had the backbone to continue to stand up to the bullying tactics of the Government. Have been reading a lot of the posts on ASTI facebook page, Voice for Teachers etc. Amazing to see the numbers of them commenting on the tightness of the vote and wondering will the wishes of the 47% who voted yes be taken account of as we move forward.

Now my view would be that of course they should be, everyone regardless of whether they voted yes or no has a role to play in shaping the future of the union and all shades of opinion should be encouraged and respected. Differences of opinion as long as expressed respectfully are healthy.

At the same time I think that there needs to be an acceptance by those who voted yes that this was a democratic ballot and the simple result is that more people voted no than yes. I cant help but wonder if the vote had gone the other way 52% yes would there be equal calls this evening for the position of the no voters to be valued and respected or would they be dismissed as a lunatic fringe for their desire to stand up for the conditions of teachers and the standard of education in this country.

I can see the ASTI loosing a fair few members after this, huge device now within the union, my brother voted to accept it and is devastated.

Well done for having the guts to take on a priviledged posse of politicians that do not care or understand the workings of Education.

Please remember that we are treated like sh1t by a shower who just gave themselves a huge increase,where is their productivity,where are their CP hours,we have been totally discriminated against on the grounds of our Union membership,its akin to the racism suffered by ethnic minorities all over the Old World years ago.
Brutons days are numbered.He never did understand Education in his term as Minister.Perhaps too much pressure from Paschal!

What is this crap about the 47.5 %,have we such short memories of past referenda results in Ireland! Of course we wont forget them! Do you ask for your money back when your lotto ticket dosent provide you with a win!

Well done fiery comrades. We have restored dignity to our profession, a dignity that has been assailed and undermined for almost 8 years now. How many times must we answer the same essential questions in those years?

To reiterate: the Croke Park Hours are complete bullshít hours with zero connection to any concept of reform that means improvement. You will never, ever, ever hear this from the pathetic excuse that passes for the journalists of this state. Pravda couldn't have been as sychopantic when it comes to accepting unquestionably the government's line and attacking teachers based on government propaganda.

My personal revenge on these people: I've gone from being a regular purchaser of The Irish Times to complete boycott (I've never bought any of Independent Newspapers rags). If every Irish teacher put their money where their anger is, it would soften their cough.

I can see the government's logic in getting us to do S&S as part of our jobs as they will save millions. It makes sense from their perspective. Putting tens of thousands of grown, intelligent, educated Irish professionals on detention - never mind a detention based on insipid, repetitive, pointless waffle around child welfare, mindfulness and the like - has never, ever made sense. They are indefensible, and we should keep driving this point home no matter what way Carl O'Brien (and Joe Humphries before him) and Martin Wall of The Irish Times try to distort the truth and belie fairness in their reportage.

For many of us with young children the time immediately after we finish school is devoted to corrections and making new class work before we have to collect our own children before crèche closes. In my case, every single school day is a 10-hour day: 8am-6pm. Without exception, and it's not enough. No schoolwork is done in a house full of little children. Yet, the geniuses in the Department of Education think our time is better spent sitting around talking nonsense over and over again. And then they'll utter some meaningless platitudes about teachers being under stress -when their "reform" is adding to it! And that's before we talk about the proposed JC and the entirely political "let's give more work to teachers because we must be seen to be making them work more" mentality underlying it.

Perhaps some day a member of the Irish media would put my questions to Richard Bruton, or his replacement as Minister for Education. As I suspect that the minister's secretary gives the permissible questions to the journalists, I won't hold my breath.

How come TDs that entered the dail after 2011 didn't come in on a lower payscale .

km79 wrote: »

What the point in him leaving though ?
Can't join another union whilst in dispute and if in an all Asti school he will be treated by the dept as an Asti member for pay, increments etc

Mixed school and you saying he can't leave the ASTI union. Then join the TUI who not in a dispute?

political analyst wrote: »

Although those TDs who were in office before the election and held on to their seats in the election are still in the same location - Leinster House - the present Dáil - the 32nd Dáil - is technically a different employer from the 31st Dáil, which was a different employer from the 30th Dáil, and so on.

Sweet jesus! you can offer up this as some sort of defence for politicians but continually post critically here while ignoring teachers real concerns on these so called reforms?.....is it even a defence? I'm not quite sure tbh

Whats the opposite of a moral high ground?