Official Conor McGregor thread (part 3) *Updated Warning in 1st Post Re:Boxing match

Subcomandante Marcos · 02-02-2017 01:31AM

Mellor wrote: »

Floyd can wear Winning or Grant or whatever pillows he wants.

Floyd doesn't use "pillows" he actually hates heavily padded gloves, when he was forced to wear 12oz gloves for 3 fights he swore he'd never do it again. De La Hoya made him wear heavy weight style 12oz and he hated it.

Mellor · 02-02-2017 02:37AM

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Floyd doesn't use "pillows" he actually hates heavily padded gloves, when he was forced to wear 12oz gloves for 3 fights he swore he'd never do it again. De La Hoya made him wear heavy weight style 12oz and he hated it.

Not all padding is equal.
"Pillows" has nothing to do with 8oz vrs 10oz. It refers to the type of glove/padding. Generally it means softer, protective gloves. But it's become a specific nickname for Winning, usually considered to offer the most hand protection (and thus less KO power).
Mayweather wears Winning gloves in training to protect his hands and fought almost always in Grant, which are probably a step down but moderately protective.

At the other end, Cleto Reyes are THE puncher's glove. Which give up protection in favour of damage. The padding is made of horsehair so while it weights the same as that in foam gloves, it's much stiffer. There's a big difference between 8oz Winning and 8oz Cleto Reyes. Pacquiao wore the latter.

Mayweather historically makes a huge deal about the brand of gloves, even the specific model, as seen in the Maidana fight.

darced · 02-02-2017 02:50AM

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Lukker- · 02-02-2017 02:52AM

Mellor wrote: »

Not all padding is equal.
"Pillows" has nothing to do with 8oz vrs 10oz. It refers to the type of glove/padding. Generally it means softer, protective gloves. But it's become a specific nickname for Winning, usually considered to offer the most hand protection (and thus less KO power).
Mayweather wears Winning gloves in training to protect his hands and fought almost always in Grant, which are probably a step down but moderately protective.

At the other end, Cleto Reyes are THE puncher's glove. Which give up protection in favour of damage. The padding is made of horsehair so while it weights the same as that in foam gloves, it's much stiffer. There's a big difference between 8oz Winning and 8oz Cleto Reyes. Pacquiao wore the latter.

Mayweather historically makes a huge deal about the brand of gloves, even the specific model, as seen in the Maidana fight.

Most boxers would use Winning(pillows) in camp(Conor also wears them in sparring).

Golovkin wears Grant and is a knockout artist. I'd say McGregor would most likely wear Grant too, he's had problems with his left hand too, so I doubt he'd use Cleto Reyes.

Mellor · 02-02-2017 05:07AM

Lukker- wrote: »

Most boxers would use Winning(pillows) in camp(Conor also wears them in sparring).

Golovkin wears Grant and is a knockout artist. I'd say McGregor would most likely wear Grant too, he's had problems with his left hand too, so I doubt he'd use Cleto Reyes.

I've seen him wearing Winning during the open workouts with Roddy. But that's obviously a different situation with an MMA fight the next day. I'd guess that it's very different getting a hand injury in 4oz mma gloves, verses 8oz boxing gloves.

He could very well go with Grant, the options are limited. I've no idea what he'll choose, but my point was that he should get to pick his own, and do what ever Mayweather says.

But sure, he'd tied up in endorsements. He'll probably be sporting a pair of these

creeper1 · 02-02-2017 06:59AM

So McGregor is out of Mma for at least a year or more.....

He did say they only needed to ask and he would he have defended his lightweight title. But I'm not convinced of the sincerity of that......

To heck with it! How I am I going to get my Mma fix now?

I must admit I only got back into this because of the hype surrounding McGregor.

It will be interesting to see if dos anjos can bounce back after 2 straight defeats. I heard he may face Damian Maia who proved himself an expert bjj practitioner in that fight against the Icelandic fellow. (Dos anjos moved up a weight category)

Also will eddy Alvarez make a comeback? despite his loss I think he's a great fighter but maybe he has taken a bit too much damage at this point.

Will kabib be pissed if he gets no title shot?

I think there is still enough to keep me interested.

Mellor · 02-02-2017 07:33AM

Maia was already solidified as an expert BJJ fighter for about a decade. And for many considered the best BJJ in MMA for a while.
RDA would be insane to take that fight, and personally I don't think he any claim to anyone on Maia's level.

EagererBeaver · 02-02-2017 07:59AM

Mellor wrote: »

USADA is USADA, whether its UFC or MMA. Same rules apply.

They don't actually make any of the rules, just enforce the rules set down by WADA.

Not necessarily. Floyd has had a few cushy deals with USADA in the past.

dashoonage · 02-02-2017 08:01AM

sonofenoch wrote: »

A Mayweather / McGregor bout will finally give McGregor botherers someone they truly believe can beat his ass.....be thankful for this small mercy because so far in mma you've been winging it from fighter to fighter in hope

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#neverforget

Mellor · 02-02-2017 10:22AM

EagererBeaver wrote: »

Not necessarily. Floyd has had a few cushy deals with USADA in the past.

He got a TUE, which has happened in other sports also. And it's included for in the WADA rule book. As I said, WADA rules are the same for both.

EagererBeaver · 02-02-2017 10:55AM

Mellor wrote: »

He got a TUE, which has happened in other sports also. And it's included for in the WADA rule book. As I said, WADA rules are the same for both.

He got a retrospective TUE from USADA that the Nevada commission eventually came out and said they (USADA) didn't have the authority to grant. USADA has and will continue to bend rules.

sonofenoch · 02-02-2017 11:03AM

dashoonage wrote: »

#neverforget

Yeah but they didn't truly believe Diaz would win that fight (not Mayweather belief) ....they might have done the 2nd fight tho

StringerBell · 02-02-2017 11:09AM

Doesn't really matter what gloves they use (it will be Floyds way or no way) Mayweather is still gonna beat him like he was one of his girlfriends if the circus does actually come to pass.

Someone mentioned Canelo and Pacquiao recently as examples of fighters who could not get near Mayweather, as if it that was some relevant or genuine comparison! They were both professional boxers, at the top of their game (actually, in true Floyd style, Canelo was still on his way up and a little too early for him, and Manny it was too late, he was on the decline, and as it turned out injured, but couldn't get his TUE the way the Floyd did which didn't help things, they were two top fighters either way) who have beat and could beat many top ranked contenders, Conor would not last long with any top ranked boxer. It is in no way a similar prospect.

This is a money making exercise, both men are excellent at it, self promotion, whipping people up to tune in to see them get beat as much as see them win. Give me 25million I'll go in there and chase Floyd till he wears me down, doesn't mean it should happen. For McGregor there is no obvious downside, he gets paid mega money, he runs very little risk of getting damaged, he boosts his profile even more, he stays fighting fit even while taking time off though there is a difference in boxing fit and MMA fit too I guess.

For Mayweather there is also no obvious downside, he gets another absolutely monster pay day and barring something pretty incredible he has no chance of losing that 0 on his record, he gets to stay relevant and "educate" the world on why he is the greatest, toying with the pound for pound best fighter the UFC has to offer.

I don't think Conor hits harder then Mosley and the punch Mayweather took from him was incredible, so not even sure if Conor catches him flush on the chin, clean, he will have enough to put him down. You can talk about age all you want, there is very little miles on Mayweathers body clock, he has not taken much,if any damage at all in his career, he keeps himself in amazing shape all year round, doesn't drink, doesn't smoke, he is going on 40, not 50 and there is no evidence to say he has slowed down to an extent as to close the skill gap between himself and McGregor.

I have come around to the idea of this glorified spar possibly coming to pass when I look at it from both mens point of view, but I still think it is a long way off due to the complications of getting everybody involved to sign off on and be happy with the terms, I still think it is slightly more likely this doesn't come to pass and is serving its main purpose, to keep both men relevant and massage their ego's when neither are actually doing anything.

Mellor · 02-02-2017 11:44AM

EagererBeaver wrote: »

He got a retrospective TUE from USADA that the Nevada commission eventually came out and said they (USADA) didn't have the authority to grant. USADA has and will continue to bend rules.

Do the guidelines prohibit retroactive TUE's, I've no idea.
The fact is, the rules are the same for both sport, the banned lists are the same for both sports - what MMA fighters and boxer can and can't take/do is he same.

Sure, they have full power to enforce as they like. Like when Nate Diaz appeared with his vape pen post fight. It was technically against the rules, but he got away with it. (Coming after him would have been ridiculous).

The NSAC jurisdiction is stupid. They can't both have the power. With differnt limits for different drugs.
Like the Nick Diaz mess, being tested 6 times in one night. And banned when he failed one of them.

Gamebred · 02-02-2017 12:24PM

McGregor wins even if it doesnt happen, he can demand a higher payday now when hes negotiating his next mma fight contract, after the 25m was offered it raises the ceiling for him great bargaining tool for him.

StringerBell · 02-02-2017 12:33PM

Gamebred wrote: »

McGregor wins even if it doesnt happen, he can demand a higher payday now when hes negotiating his next mma fight contract, after the 25m was offered it raises the ceiling for him great bargaining tool for him.

I'm not sure it does to any great extent. A fight with Mayweather is a bubble fight, like when MMA fighters fight Conor, it doesn't automatically mean they will get more, or even the same money to fight another opponent simply because a McGregor fight is also a bubble fight.

There is also the issue that it is a different sport to contend with, a little like when ROG was being offered a big money move to the US to be an NFL kicker, it didn't mean his pay dramatically increased to that level when he choose to stay.

I don't think it will have much impact at all actually the more you think of it, his star is big enough in MMA as it is, he can look for higher base pay and % then anybody else already and can hammer out deals based on his past in that sport, but don't think the offer (which the UFC can counter by saying it wasn't a genuine offer) will make a whole lot of difference.

Thought they offered him 15 million no? Mayweather definitely said 15 anyway

Gamebred · 02-02-2017 12:37PM

StringerBell wrote: »

I'm not sure it does to any great extent. A fight with Mayweather is a bubble fight, like when MMA fighters fight Conor, it doesn't automatically mean they will get more, or even the same money to fight another opponent simply because a McGregor fight is also a bubble fight.

There is also the issue that it is a different sport to contend with, a little like when ROG was being offered a big money move to the US to be an NFL kicker, it didn't mean his pay dramatically increased to that level when he choose to stay.

I don't think it will have much impact at all actually the more you think of it, his star is big enough in MMA as it is, he can look for higher base pay and % then anybody else already and can hammer out deals based on his past in that sport, but don't think the offer (which the UFC can counter by saying it wasn't a genuine offer) will make a whole lot of difference.

Thought they offered him 15 million no? Mayweather definitely said 15 anyway

Dana offered them 25m each, will absolutely give him leverage again I couldnt care what hes paid hes clearing 15m a fight now a days reguardless will only get bigger and bigger now.

StringerBell · 02-02-2017 12:44PM

Gamebred wrote: »

Dana offered them 25m each, will absolutely give him leverage again I couldnt care what hes paid hes clearing 15m a fight now a days reguardless will only get bigger and bigger now.

Right, sure that's that so.

rob316 · 02-02-2017 01:29PM

As a fan of Conor and the hype and excitement he brings to the UFC, I'm disappointed he is determined to chase this Mayweather fight.

However I completely understand it, he will get as much in this as he would in 4 or 5 UFC fights and his risk of injury is very low here as lets be honest, Mayweather doesn't knock people out or put much of a hurt on them.

He is at the top of his respective sport, another loss in the UFC would eliminate any chance of a Mayweather fight so it is really now or never. Ive said many times it's win win for Conor - a loss, a beating no one will of expected any different. If he did manage to do the impossible though he's in the history books and has another 100m at least in the bank for the inevitable rematch.

It really is quite incredible the position he has put himself in since he signed for the UFC 3/4 years ago.

02-02-2017 01:53PM

John_D80 wrote: »

Regardless of how the fight goes down McGregor wins as soon as the first bell goes in the very first round of his fight with Mayweather. Because thats when his money will be guaranteed.

Hope he makes an absolute tonne.

Fúck Khabib. Fúck Ferguson. Fúck Dana and the UFC. And most of all fúck the begrudgers who pretend like they wouldn't be doing the exact same thing in his position.

Keep chasin the big money Conor.

Why do you care how much Conor makes? Its not you making it

I just want to see Conor doing what made me a fan of him in the first place, kicking ass and being funny as fuark.

Typical McGregs fanboy here saying if you want to see him fight in MMA then you are a hater? ridiculous, I am delighted Conor is the lightweight champion and I want to see him leave a legacy, go on to defend his belt numerous times, not take a exhibition boxing match and that makes me a Conor hater?

John_D80 · 02-02-2017 02:03PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Why do you care how much Conor makes? Its not you making it I just want to see Conor doing what made me a fan of him in the first place, kicking ass and being funny as fuark.

Typical McGregs fanboy here saying if you want to see him fight in MMA then you are a hater? ridiculous, I am delighted Conor is the lightweight champion and I want to see him leave a legacy, go on to defend his belt numerous times, not take a exhibition boxing match and that makes me a Conor hater?

I dont care, I never said I care. What I said was I hope he makes a tonne.

For the simple reason that he deserves it. Why should he pander to the wishes of anyone else. He should maximise his own earning potential while he can. And if that means taking a mickey mouse exhibition boxing match with Floyd Mayweather for 50-100 million dollars then he should go right ahead.

02-02-2017 02:09PM

John_D80 wrote: »

I dont care, I never said I care. What I said was I hope he makes a tonne.

For the simple reason that he deserves it. Why should he pander to the wishes of anyone else. He should maximise his own earning potential while he can. And if that means taking a mickey mouse exhibition boxing match with Floyd Mayweather for 50-100 million dollars then he should go right ahead.

I mean for an example I support Manchester United and I would be annoyed if they choose to drop out of the champions league to take part in for example some compeition in China because it paid more. I follow his sporting abiliities, idgaf about how much he makes or sh!t like that. I am looking forward to Conors next mma fight, I hope its against Khabib and I hope Conor kicks his ass.

Sweet Science · 02-02-2017 02:47PM

Surely there is no way this fight could be given the green light.

I mean Conor was a club level boxer and being allowed fight an all time great ?

I know money talks and all that but come on. You're putting someones health at risk.

John_D80 · 02-02-2017 04:12PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I mean for an example I support Manchester United and I would be annoyed if they choose to drop out of the champions league to take part in for example some compeition in China because it paid more. I follow his sporting abiliities, idgaf about how much he makes or sh!t like that. I am looking forward to Conors next mma fight, I hope its against Khabib and I hope Conor kicks his ass.

Lets not go down that well trodden road of comparing MMA fighters to soccer teams. It usually gets very silly, very quickly.

hewhoscares · 02-02-2017 04:54PM

John_D80 wrote: »

Regardless of how the fight goes down McGregor wins as soon as the first bell goes in the very first round of his fight with Mayweather. Because thats when his money will be guaranteed.

Hope he makes an absolute tonne.

Fúck Khabib. Fúck Ferguson. Fúck Dana and the UFC. And most of all fúck the begrudgers who pretend like they wouldn't be doing the exact same thing in his position.

Keep chasin the big money Conor.

What a boring attitude, fanagers ruin sports like boxing. Cheers from the sidelines as two multi millionaires get richer. I just want to see the best fight the best at their own sport. Not watch some farce for idiots who know nothing of either sport.

hewhoscares · 02-02-2017 05:03PM

John_D80 wrote: »

Deleted User wrote: »

I mean for an example I support Manchester United and I would be annoyed if they choose to drop out of the champions league to take part in for example some compeition in China because it paid more. I follow his sporting abiliities, idgaf about how much he makes or sh!t like that. I am looking forward to Conors next mma fight, I hope its against Khabib and I hope Conor kicks his ass.

Lets not go down that well trodden road of comparing MMA fighters to soccer teams. It usually gets very silly, very quickly.

Yeah lets not go down that root as you realise how silly your initial comment was and you can't argue your point sufficiently.

John_D80 · 02-02-2017 05:12PM

hewhoscares wrote: »

What a boring attitude, fanagers ruin sports like boxing. Cheers from the sidelines as two multi millionaires get richer. I just want to see the best fight the best at their own sport. Not watch some farce for idiots who know nothing of either sport.

The superstars of any other sport on this planet have almost total autonomous rights over their own image, their endorsements, their own future and their own careers. Not so for McGregor and the elite of MMA, that are signed to the UFC. McGregor cant even put his face on a video game if he wanted to without the UFC getting a cut. Why shouldn't MMA superstars be in the same earning brackets as the likes of Mayweather/McIlroy/Messi.

I applaud McGregor for trying to take control of his own professional life. I am an MMA fan for well over 20 years now but I am not a fan of any organisation like the UFC that continually and consistently takes advantage of the athletes that are literally putting their lives and health on the line to make money for them.

I make no apologies for wanting to see a professional Irish athlete achieve the financial rewards he deserves when the promotion he works for wants nothing more than to bleed him for everything they can.

If McGregor is going to become a problem for the UFC, he is one of their own making.

John_D80 · 02-02-2017 05:14PM

hewhoscares wrote: »

Yeah lets not go down that root as you realise how silly your initial comment was and you can't argue your point sufficiently.

Yeah sure mate, I really want to get into a football/MMA debate.

Seen it all before. Never ends well.

The Ayatolla · 02-02-2017 05:14PM

Would Pogba beat McGregor?

Depp · 02-02-2017 05:15PM

The Ayatolla wrote: »

Would Pogba beat McGregor?

in the cage, mcgregor wins every time, but in a football match pogba takes it handy

Official Conor McGregor thread (part 3) *Updated Warning in 1st Post Re:Boxing match

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