Child refugees -majority to be males aged 17???

Galwayguy35 · 25-01-2017 12:45AM

These guys must be thanking their lucky stars, no need to jump on the back of a truck when you have a gullible leftie like Katherine Zappone to let them in here and spend 275 k on each of them.

Are any of them even Syrian?

What backround checks have been don eand have they all got passports?

I'd like to know these things.

25-01-2017 12:53AM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

These guys must be thanking their lucky stars, no need to jump on the back of a truck when you have a gullible leftie like Katherine Zappone to let them in here and spend 275 k on each of them.

Are any of them even Syrian?

What backround checks have been don eand have they all got passports?

I'd like to know these things.

Wouldn't we all.
But we're just the mugs that provide the taxes that pay for it! Apart from that, we're apparently meant to accept them on blind faith....

Galwayguy35 · 25-01-2017 01:00AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Wouldn't we all.
But we're just the mugs that provide the taxes that pay for it! Apart from that, we're apparently meant to accept them on blind faith....

Seems to be the case all right, and there's no fear they will be sent to the posh areas Zappone and Fitzgerald live in.

alastair · 25-01-2017 10:51AM

enricoh wrote: »

Yeah, the problem is that its beginning to turn into the theme story of migrants in germany ,sweden etc
Yeah, I'm sure we'll get a better crowd in than Sweden did. We're getting this lot from the lawless jungle in Calais. I'm equally sure none of them were causing roadblocks, threatening truckers and damaging the truckers property on a nightly basis. If they say they weren't at it its good enough for me!

You reckon these 20 lads will be busying themselves out trying to hop on trucks when they get here? The 'theme story' for the vast majority of migrants in Europe is one of law abiding participation in society btw - but don't let that get in the way of a good old scaremonger.

alastair · 25-01-2017 10:56AM

AnGaelach wrote: »

Yeah, because the Irish totally weren't infinitely more likely to carry out an IRA bombing than a Pole or German :rolleyes:

There's a reason we judge people by the groups, and it's not because of racism. :rolleyes:

Just to be clear - you were in the habit of presupposing that Irish people were likely IRA bombers? And you are now happy to equate the actions of five Afghan refugees in Sweden with 20 unknown Syrians in France, simply on the basis of, presumably what?; their possible religion, their age, their general foreigness? What a nonsense.

The rationale for your 'judgement' is nothing more than your bias, nothing to do with the actual group in question.

25-01-2017 11:12AM

alastair wrote: »

Just to be clear - you were in the habit of presupposing that Irish people were likely IRA bombers? And you are now happy to equate the actions of five Afghan refugees in Sweden with 20 unknown Syrians in France, simply on the basis of, presumably what?; their possible religion, their age, their general foreigness? What a nonsense.

The rationale for your 'judgement' is nothing more than your bias, nothing to do with the actual group in question.

They're all Syrian? Link, please?

alastair · 25-01-2017 11:47AM

Deleted User wrote: »

They're all Syrian? Link, please?

Given that the minors haven't been selected yet, that's rather tricky to provide, wouldn't you say? Still, at least they're not those bomb-crazy Irish lads, eh?

25-01-2017 12:13PM

alastair wrote: »

Given that the minors haven't been selected yet, that's rather tricky to provide, wouldn't you say? Still, at least they're not those bomb-crazy Irish lads, eh?

I'd say it's currently impossible to provide, so, why would you state that it was the case that the 20 lads from Calais are Syrian?

AnGaelach · 25-01-2017 12:41PM

alastair wrote: »

Just to be clear - you were in the habit of presupposing that Irish people were likely IRA bombers?

I'm presupposing that the Irish are infinitely more likely to be IRA members than people of other nationalities. Because they are and were.

Judging groups by what they're proportionately more likely to do/be is how you formulate policy. If we went your route, we'd never get anything done because it might be rude and doesn't take into account the 1 in 1000 exceptions.

jmayo · 25-01-2017 12:44PM

alastair wrote: »

"Think of the children!"?

That's the mantra in a thread venting spleen over the provision of sanctuary for 20 minors?

Hmm.

Ehh I don't consider a 16/17 year old a child.
And maybe that is why you yourself are using the term "minor".

At that age according to the Education (Welfare) Act of 2000 one can legally leave school.
The legal age of sexual consent in Ireland is 17, it can be much lower in other European countries which means the 16 year olds can legally also have sex.
Although going on track record displayed elsewhere some of these migrants don't worry too much about consent.

And I especially don't consider most migrants who claim to be 16/17 to be children or minors to use your own terminology.

Maybe the reason for me reaching that conclusion is the fact that a lot of those claiming to be 16/17 have been found by state agencies in other states to frauds and over 18.

BTW can I ask if you would be happy having some of these poor minors sitting in a classroom with your daughter, sister, neice ?

Mary63 · 25-01-2017 01:16PM

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/bogus-marriages-in-republic-linked-to-asylum-claims-1.2949938

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/how-irish-sham-marriage-scam-was-dismantled-1.2949970

More evidence that the Garai and other agencies are not watching who is coming into this country and what they are up to when they get here.

It would make you despair.

rgossip30 · 25-01-2017 01:31PM

Mary63 wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/bogus-marriages-in-republic-linked-to-asylum-claims-1.2949938

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/how-irish-sham-marriage-scam-was-dismantled-1.2949970

More evidence that the Garai and other agencies are not watching who is coming into this country and what they are up to when they get here.

It would make you despair.

This has gone on years , No Cert of Freedom to Marry, say you are not married before and no Divorce Cert .In the past 2 years this was reformed Certs are now required and an Apostle Cert .Those married should have to present themselves to GNIB and prove they are still married . Asylum seekers should not be allowed to marry and only those who have a visa to enter Ireland .The Gardai know of 1000 scam marriages but will they deport them ?
Surprised the Pro Immigration Times is reporting this .

alastair · 25-01-2017 01:35PM

AnGaelach wrote: »

I'm presupposing that the Irish are infinitely more likely to be IRA members than people of other nationalities. Because they are and were.

Judging groups by what they're proportionately more likely to do/be is how you formulate policy. If we went your route, we'd never get anything done because it might be rude and doesn't take into account the 1 in 1000 exceptions.

Ridiculous nonsense tbh. The problem is your personal bias, not any evidenced likelihood towards Irish bombers or refugee rapists.

alastair · 25-01-2017 01:37PM

jmayo wrote: »

Ehh I don't consider a 16/17 year old a child.
And maybe that is why you yourself are using the term "minor".

Minors are children. It really doesn't matter to me, or to the law, what you feel about it.

And no, I've no difficulty in migrant unaccompanied minors sharing a classroom with any Irish kids. That'd be your hang-up.

Mr.Micro · 25-01-2017 01:39PM

Mary63 wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/bogus-marriages-in-republic-linked-to-asylum-claims-1.2949938

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/how-irish-sham-marriage-scam-was-dismantled-1.2949970

More evidence that the Garai and other agencies are not watching who is coming into this country and what they are up to when they get here.

It would make you despair.

The Gardai have bigger concerns, like their pay etc. Day to day stuff like keeping up to date with crime and all the modern scams, that's for someone else. Look at the scam at Dublin Airport.... Nobody noticed. We are stuck in the last century, sleepy little Ireland.

25-01-2017 01:42PM

alastair wrote: »

Minors are children. It really doesn't matter to me, or to the law, what you feel about it.

And no, I've no difficulty in migrant unaccompanied minors sharing a classroom with any Irish kids. That'd be your hang-up.

Speaking of the law, in this case, Swedish law, you haven't replied to this post:

Deleted User wrote: »

I read it. I even posted relevant - very disturbing - issues, which the rape apologist "authors" chose to discount as rape, choosing instead to suggest that surveys were a more reliable measure for rape crimes.

We all know how reliable surveys proved in recent elections, do we not?

Meanwhile, you choose to ignore facts, ignore whatever you feel may make your posts even more appalling than they already are - and defend the fact that multiple rapes = more than one rape, by posting vile, disgusting,tripe about that's how it would be recorded in most states. Care to prove that, by the way?

Would you also care to answer these questions:

Do you consider "forced vaginal fisting" to be rape?

Do you consider sexual intercourse when the victim is incapacitated to be rape?

Do you consider sexual intercourse with someone who is mentally incapacitated to be rape?

Do you consider it acceptable that half of German women feel unsafe?

Any response?

alastair · 25-01-2017 01:48PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Speaking of the law, in this case, Swedish law, you haven't replied to this post:

Any response?

Yeah - save your red herring posts for some dupe. I'm not interested.

25-01-2017 02:18PM

Mary63 wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/bogus-marriages-in-republic-linked-to-asylum-claims-1.2949938

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/how-irish-sham-marriage-scam-was-dismantled-1.2949970

More evidence that the Garai and other agencies are not watching who is coming into this country and what they are up to when they get here.

It would make you despair.

The whole scam came out when Gardai set up a unit to investigate these marriages.
It also states that numbers of sham marriages have fallen over the last 18months because Of The Garda unit
So completely the opposite of what you said.

25-01-2017 02:58PM

alastair wrote: »

Yeah - save your red herring posts for some dupe. I'm not interested.

Unfortunately for you, I'm not some dupe, either.

You sought to justify a reprehensible piece of rape apology, (badly)dressed up as a pseudo-intellectual study.

Accordingly, you shouldn't be surprised if you are:

A: Called out on it, and

B: People seek to clarify your beliefs.

alastair · 25-01-2017 03:05PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Unfortunately for you, I'm not some dupe, either.

You sought to justify a reprehensible piece of rape apology, (badly)dressed up as a pseudo-intellectual study.

Accordingly, you shouldn't be surprised if you are:

A: Called out on it, and

B: People seek to clarify your beliefs.

Once again - no interest in your red herrings. Try another buyer.

kupus · 25-01-2017 03:51PM

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/748938/child-refugees-gain-entry-uk-home-office-over-18-gain-entry-uk-migrants-calais-jungle

In my experience when a number is toted out like that. Its just the tip of the iceberg.
465 lied about their age.
multiply that by a lot more I think.

25-01-2017 03:56PM

alastair wrote: »

Once again - no interest in your red herrings. Try another buyer.

I'll take that to mean that you can't back up your allegation that "many" states wouldn't regard the issues I raised as rape.

alastair · 25-01-2017 04:40PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I'll take that to mean that you can't back up your allegation that "many" states wouldn't regard the issues I raised as rape.

Heh. Feel free to add projection to your red herrings. I made no such allegation. That's a product of your vivid imagination.

Still no interest in that guff.

25-01-2017 04:59PM

alastair wrote: »

Heh. Feel free to add projection to your red herrings. I made no such allegation. That's a product of your vivid imagination.

Still no interest in that guff.

So provide the link that proves your assertion that "many" states wouldn't regard eg. Sexual intercourse with someone who is mentally incapacitated, incapacitated, or endures "forced vaginal fisting" - as rape.

In other words, prove your assertion.

alastair · 25-01-2017 05:09PM

Deleted User wrote: »

So provide the link that proves your assertion that "many" states wouldn't regard eg. Sexual intercourse with someone who is mentally incapacitated, incapacitated, or endures "forced vaginal fisting" - as rape.

In other words, prove your assertion.

One more time for luck:

Feel free to add projection to your red herrings. I made no such allegation. That's a product of your vivid imagination.

Still no interest in that guff.

25-01-2017 05:45PM

alastair wrote: »

One more time for luck:

Feel free to add projection to your red herrings. I made no such allegation. That's a product of your vivid imagination.

Still no interest in that guff.

You posted this, in an attempt to prove that Sweden defined rape differently to other states, in an attempt to downplay Sweden's rape statistics.

alastair wrote: »

Once again - apples and oranges. Sweden classifies and logs instances of reported rapes in a completely different fashion to other states. One Irish report could equate to dozens of Swedish ones.

https://debunkingdenialism.com/2015/12/12/how-anti-immigration-activists-misuse-rape-statistics/

I then extracted the areas the link suggested that Sweden considered differently.

I note you didn't attempt to defend that site's suggestion that surveys were more reliable than police reports.

Your response was:

alastair wrote: »

Yes. It logs claims of multiple rapes as a series of individual rape reports - unlike other states. That obviously is not comparing like with like when it comes to statistics of reported rape.

On being asked if you were suggesting that multiple rapes should be classified as one rape, you replied:

alastair wrote: »

Yes. It logs claims of multiple rapes as a series of individual rape reports - unlike other states. That obviously is not comparing like with like when it comes to statistics of reported
rape.

So, prove your allegation, instead of posting blustering nonsense.

Hexen · 25-01-2017 05:53PM

Deleted User wrote: »

[...]Are you honestly suggesting that surveys are more reliable than police reports? [...]

That's widely accepted in the field. For cross-national comparison to have legitimacy it has to be done on the basis of victim crime surveys. This is due to vast differences between jurisdictions in how crimes are defined or recorded, in policing, in how statistics are compiled, in cultural attitudes to specific crimes, likelihood of reporting, etc.

See here and here.

I assume we're talking about Sweden. It's always Sweden isn't it?

alastair · 25-01-2017 05:57PM

Deleted User wrote: »

You posted this, in an attempt to prove that Sweden defined rape differently to other states, in an attempt to downplay Sweden's rape statistics.

I then extracted the areas the link suggested that Sweden considered differently.

I note you didn't attempt to defend that site's suggestion that surveys were more reliable than police reports.

Your response was:

On being asked if you were suggesting that multiple rapes should be classified as one rape, you replied:

So, prove your allegation, instead of posting blustering nonsense.

You get that those bolded points have nothing to do with your previous posts?

I've already provided links to support the fact that Sweden logs instances of rape differently to other states.

Brian? · 25-01-2017 06:14PM

Mary63 wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/bogus-marriages-in-republic-linked-to-asylum-claims-1.2949938

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/how-irish-sham-marriage-scam-was-dismantled-1.2949970

More evidence that the Garai and other agencies are not watching who is coming into this country and what they are up to when they get here.

It would make you despair.

So the Gardai arresting people for a sham marriage scam is proof that they aren't watching? Surely it's proof of the exact opposite?

alastair · 25-01-2017 06:25PM

Brian? wrote: »

So the Gardai arresting people for a sham marriage scam is proof that they aren't watching? Surely it's proof of the exact opposite?

Why let facts get in the way of a good diatribe.

Child refugees -majority to be males aged 17???

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