Child refugees -majority to be males aged 17???

23-01-2017 11:41AM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Explain how it is racist bearing in mind Irish does not = a race of people

Dictionary.com:

noun 1. a group of persons related by common descent or heredity.

2. a population so related.

4. a group of tribes or peoples forming an ethnic lineage: the Slavic race.

5. any people united by common history, language, cultural traits, etc.: the Dutch race.

There are a lot of definitions for the word "race".
So, yes, it was a racist statement.

gitzy16v wrote: »

Ive no idea.
In my mind its f-all to do with religion,Im sick of running the gauntlet of hooligans in Calais.
And then I hear we are taking them in and helping them...fcuk no,2 smashed windscreens,countless replaced mirrors and every trailer ripped and now they get rewarded?????

In bold: Why cant anybody see there are far more deserving and needing of our charity than the Calais migrants...there was a car bomb set off in a Syrian refugee camp in Jordan today,surely we need to help those first.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/01/deadly-bomb-blast-hits-syria-rakban-refugee-camp-170121130211057.html

Of course there are more deserving people. There are probably newly orphaned kids in that camp.
It would be more fitting for Zappone et al to offer help there.

Widdershins · 23-01-2017 12:27PM

Mary63 wrote: »

Its just as well you are no longer living in the UK Timberrrr, you wouldn't be able to cope with how"racist"your fellow countrymen were.They voted to leave the EU mostly because of immigration, they saw the prospect of Turkey with its fifty million muslims entering the UK and the British people pulled up the drawbridge.Now I felt very happy thinking the British foreign office might mind us Irish against the terrorists but if Enda Kenny isn't nice to Theresa May that won't be happening.The British foreign office and the counter intelligence agencies have foiled many terrorists threats that the general public don't know about and we Irish are in their debt.

We don't know how Britain leaving the EU will affect us but its very worrying.For a start we will no longer be able to avail of cross border treatment, and this includes orthodontic treatment for teenagers.Our young people if going to study in the UK will no longer be eligible for subsidies, this means bearing the full cost of third level education.This has all resulted from a Middle East problem that has nothing to do with us.There is as much chance of me settling in happily to a life in Kuwait as there is a muslim from Pakistan settling in Ballaghaderreen.

Total blinkered we are all one happy family stuff.

Glad as a man you could travel in safety wherever you went Timberrr, a young woman with Downs syndrome couldn't even go for a jog with her mother without being imprisoned and raped by a pakistani living in Dublin.He had been accosting Irish women on the streets before this poor victim crossed his path.How did he get into this country and how many more like him are here too.I hope he can be deported out of this country but we will have the Civil liberties brigade talking about his human rights and the free legal aid board will be called on to provide legal aid to him.

That rape case was chilling. During the court case it was said that the rapist claimed he hadn't realised the victim had Downs Syndrome because ''people like her'' would be locked away in his country.

Says it all about the kind of culture many Muslim men grow up in. Not all, needless to say, but many of them who come from particular Islamic-rule countries. That is a fact, not racism.

If people think it's not going to impact on our own culture and society they are horribly naive. Right now there are streets in Paris where women aren't ''allowed'' out, and Parisian cafes where women aren't welcome. Look for the documentary on this. I think it was Channel 4..

23-01-2017 12:52PM

You're so right!
Obviously because that Pakistani man raped a down syndrome woman, clearly every Pakistani man is a rapist.
We should definitely ban all Pakistani people from Ireland.
Also, the terrorist attacks in Europe were committed by a small few Muslim men, we should definitely ban all Muslim people from Ireland.
In fact, we should only allow true Irish people to live in Ireland. However, you would define 'Irish'

rgossip30 · 23-01-2017 01:08PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Explain how it is racist bearing in mind Irish does not = a race of people

You have traveled around the world lived in other countries so have others so what . Your posts are getting boring .

jmayo · 23-01-2017 01:14PM

Brian? wrote: »

Is Austrian a race?

About as much of a race as muslim is.

Brian? wrote: »

I'm currently undergoing the assessment to foster children. I'll happily foster any of these kids.

I do hope you don't have any daughters.

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

i actually visited most of these places as a British male, never experienced any of the above nor heard of them in the decade or so i was in these countries

A British male complaining about the Irish. :rolleyes:

BTW do you speak Arabic or Farsi ?

Did you visit some of those places on business ?
If you did you may have been chaperoned or else just saw a sanitised version of reality.

If you seriously think some of the most racist people in the world are Irish you haven't gotten out much when you traveled or you never really met the locals.

Maybe you should add USA and South Africa to your list.

I know some guys who have worked in Middle East and thought it was a great life and they didn't mind the natives.
Then again some others have nothing but utter contempt for the natives, particularly the connected ones, after having to deal with them.
They were there simply for the money and if they had their way they would have been happy to see Sadam wipe them all out.

People can have very different experiences and if you are working for major company or military you can get vastly different treatment.

Widdershins · 23-01-2017 01:22PM

bubblypop wrote: »

You're so right!
Obviously because that Pakistani man raped a down syndrome woman, clearly every Pakistani man is a rapist.
We should definitely ban all Pakistani people from Ireland.
Also, the terrorist attacks in Europe were committed by a small few Muslim men, we should definitely ban all Muslim people from Ireland.
In fact, we should only allow true Irish people to live in Ireland. However, you would define 'Irish'

Do you have trouble with reading comprehension?

Timberrrrrrrr · 23-01-2017 01:37PM

Mary63 wrote: »

Its just as well you are no longer living in the UK Timberrrr, you wouldn't be able to cope with how"racist"your fellow countrymen were.They voted to leave the EU mostly because of immigration, they saw the prospect of Turkey with its fifty million muslims entering the UK and the British people pulled up the drawbridge.Now I felt very happy thinking the British foreign office might mind us Irish against the terrorists but if Enda Kenny isn't nice to Theresa May that won't be happening.The British foreign office and the counter intelligence agencies have foiled many terrorists threats that the general public don't know about and we Irish are in their debt.

We don't know how Britain leaving the EU will affect us but its very worrying.For a start we will no longer be able to avail of cross border treatment, and this includes orthodontic treatment for teenagers.Our young people if going to study in the UK will no longer be eligible for subsidies, this means bearing the full cost of third level education.This has all resulted from a Middle East problem that has nothing to do with us.There is as much chance of me settling in happily to a life in Kuwait as there is a muslim from Pakistan settling in Ballaghaderreen.

Total blinkered we are all one happy family stuff.

Glad as a man you could travel in safety wherever you went Timberrr, a young woman with Downs syndrome couldn't even go for a jog with her mother without being imprisoned and raped by a pakistani living in Dublin.He had been accosting Irish women on the streets before this poor victim crossed his path.How did he get into this country and how many more like him are here too.I hope he can be deported out of this country but we will have the Civil liberties brigade talking about his human rights and the free legal aid board will be called on to provide legal aid to him.

Erm
I am back living in the UK since last year and haven't witnessed any racism, not saying it doesn't happen just saying I haven't witnessed any.

Timberrrrrrrr · 23-01-2017 01:39PM

rgossip30 wrote: »

You have traveled around the world lived in other countries so have others so what . Your posts are getting boring .

Feel free not to read them so

Mary63 · 23-01-2017 01:51PM

You didn't witness any in Ireland either, people being free to express their disquiet about undocumented immigrants being allowed in is not racism.

Timberrrrrrrr · 23-01-2017 01:54PM

Mary63 wrote: »

You didn't witness any in Ireland either, people being free to express their disquiet about undocumented immigrants being allowed in is not racism.

Oh but Mary i did, You may not like the fact that i did but none the less it happened my dear it happened a lot, Especially towards the Polish and Chinese lads that used to work in construction.

Mary63 · 23-01-2017 02:05PM

http://www.rte.ie/news/2016/0314/774725-man-jailed-for-raping-woman-with-down-syndrome/

Its not just what he was charged with, its his history prior to getting into this country is the issue.How was he vetted to make sure he hadn't raped before.

One of my relatives worked with Eastern European people and they insisted in conversing among themselves in their own language even though they could speak english and had been instructed by management to use english in the workplace, this is very racist too.

Widdershins · 23-01-2017 02:08PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Oh but Mary i did, You may not like the fact that i did but none the less it happened my dear it happened a lot, Especially towards the Polish and Chinese lads that used to work in construction.

Were you looking in the mirror at the time

23-01-2017 02:10PM

Mary63 wrote: »

One of my relatives worked with Eastern European people and they insisted in conversing among themselves in their own language even though they could speak english and had been instructed by management to use english in the workplace, this is very racist too.

Agreed, not allowing people to speak in their native language to each other must be some form of discrimination!
Glad you're starting to see what racism is Mary.......

rgossip30 · 23-01-2017 02:12PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Erm
I am back living in the UK since last year and haven't witnessed any racism, not saying it doesn't happen just saying I haven't witnessed any.

Did you back for Brexit or you just don't like the Irish .I have found the British more vocal about immigration the reason for brexit !

Mary63 · 23-01-2017 02:39PM

It wasn't speaking in their native language that was the problem, it was speaking in their native language thus making fellow employees feel isolated and uncomfortable.It was said fellow employees going to management to complain about this while being afraid of being called racist and then management instructing that as english was the common language among all the employees then english should be spoken.

You head off to Poland or to China and work on a building site Timberrr and come back and tell s how the red carpet was put out for you.!!!!!!!

The Chinese call us round eyes and while they are happy to teach us their language they don't want us to fully understand it so when you get to a certain proficiency they won't teach you anymore of it..

Im thinking of what the Chinese do to the Tibetans so won't be losing any sleep over their experiences on Irish building sites at all.I doubt if there are many Chinese working on Irish building sites, how would they get visas to work here.
http://http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/aer-lingus-employees-suspected-of-using-catering-vehicles-to-smuggle-immigrants-into-ireland-35390164.html

Now we know how some of these undesirables have been getting in.

Timberrrrrrrr · 23-01-2017 02:50PM

Mary63 wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/news/2016/0314/774725-man-jailed-for-raping-woman-with-down-syndrome/

Its not just what he was charged with, its his history prior to getting into this country is the issue.How was he vetted to make sure he hadn't raped before.

One of my relatives worked with Eastern European people and they insisted in conversing among themselves in their own language even though they could speak english and had been instructed by management to use english in the workplace, this is very racist too.

You really need to educate yourself on the meaning of the word racist Mary because honestly it doesn't mean what you seem to think it means.

Timberrrrrrrr · 23-01-2017 02:52PM

rgossip30 wrote: »

Did you back for Brexit or you just don't like the Irish .I have found the British more vocal about immigration the reason for brexit !

I came to the UK after Brexit and no I didn't vote in the election. There is a former nursing home near to where I am located currently being converted for immigrants and I haven't heard much talk against it from anyone in the area. Also why would I not "like the irish"?

Timberrrrrrrr · 23-01-2017 02:53PM

Mary63 wrote: »

It wasn't speaking in their native language that was the problem, it was speaking in their native language thus making fellow employees feel isolated and uncomfortable.It was said fellow employees going to management to complain about this while being afraid of being called racist and then management instructing that as english was the common language among all the employees then english should be spoken.

You head off to Poland or to China and work on a building site Timberrr and come back and tell s how the red carpet was put out for you.!!!!!!!

The Chinese call us round eyes and while they are happy to teach us their language they don't want us to fully understand it so when you get to a certain proficiency they won't teach you anymore of it..

Im thinking of what the Chinese do to the Tibetans so won't be losing any sleep over their experiences on Irish building sites at all.I doubt if there are many Chinese working on Irish building sites, how would they get visas to work here.
http://http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/aer-lingus-employees-suspected-of-using-catering-vehicles-to-smuggle-immigrants-into-ireland-35390164.html

Now we know how some of these undesirables have been getting in.

Awful bang of racism from your posts Mary, the mask is slipping.

rgossip30 · 23-01-2017 03:12PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

I came to the UK after Brexit and no I didn't vote in the election. There is a former nursing home near to where I am located currently being converted for immigrants and I haven't heard much talk against it from anyone in the area. Also why would I not "like the irish"?

I hope you will be very happy and live the blissful life in your multicultural utopia .:)

Timberrrrrrrr · 23-01-2017 03:15PM

rgossip30 wrote: »

I hope you will be very happy and live the blissful life in your multicultural utopia .:)

You too

23-01-2017 04:03PM

Mary63 wrote: »

It wasn't speaking in their native language that was the problem, it was speaking in their native language thus making fellow employees feel isolated and uncomfortable

Poor little English speaking snowflakes were a bit paranoid because they couldn't understand the foreigners?
Give me a break.
The only people at fault here are the English speakers, who must have some kind of mental issues to be so paranoid. Why would they possibly presume that the foreigners are talking about them?

I went to college with about 5 native Irish speakers, they spoke to each other in Irish all the time. The rest of us couldn't understand a word. Maybe you think the college should have banned them from speaking Irish in case the rest of us thought they were talking about us?

jmayo · 23-01-2017 04:21PM

bubblypop wrote: »

Poor little English speaking snowflakes were a bit paranoid because they couldn't understand the foreigners?
Give me a break.
The only people at fault here are the English speakers, who must have some kind of mental issues to be so paranoid. Why would they possibly presume that the foreigners are talking about them?

I went to college with about 5 native Irish speakers, they spoke to each other in Irish all the time. The rest of us couldn't understand a word. Maybe you think the college should have banned them from speaking Irish in case the rest of us thought they were talking about us?

Actually AFAIK there was quiet recently a Kerry barman in Cork who I believe took case for dismissal or at least was dismissed for refusing to stop speaking Irish.
He was told he should converse in English.

Now remembering threads on this issue, some people were of the view screw him for daring to speak his native tongue, others defending his right to converse how he liked, others highlighting how the business got to dictate what people did and some complaining that if it was Chinese, Poles, whatever it would be seen as racial discrimination.

It is a thorny issue and depending on people involved it could be seen as a form of bullying to a degree.

rgossip30 · 23-01-2017 04:25PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

You too

Ireland agreed to take in 4K refugees for its population of 4.5 million .Britain agreed to take in 20K for its population of 64 million in terms of population they should be taking in 56 K . Britain has an issue with Polish immigrant numbers one reason for Brexit . Ireland has no issue in this regard .

23-01-2017 04:33PM

jmayo wrote: »

Actually AFAIK there was quiet recently a Kerry barman in Cork who I believe took case for dismissal or at least was dismissed for refusing to stop speaking Irish.
He was told he should converse in English.

Now remembering threads on this issue, some people were of the view screw him for daring to speak his native tongue, others defending his right to converse how he liked, others highlighting how the business got to dictate what people did and some complaining that if it was Chinese, Poles, whatever it would be seen as racial discrimination.

It is a thorny issue and depending on people involved it could be seen as a form of bullying to a degree.

Yea, I remember that case, I think his employers didn't want him speaking to customers in Irish, iirc.

Mary63 · 23-01-2017 07:03PM

I don't think its poor little snowflakes if someone actually dreads going into work because of their workmates behaviour and I posted this in relation to Timberrr saying how Poles were treated on the building site and how terrible the Irish were.This was an Irish person working on her own with maybe ten Poles and no one spoke to her all day.They laughed and joked among themselves in Polish even though a staff meeting had been called and they were told this was making their colleague miserable.This colleague now can't stand Polish people so another failed exercise in multiculturalism.

23-01-2017 07:29PM

bubblypop wrote: »

Yea, I remember that case, I think his employers didn't want him speaking to customers in Irish, iirc.

http://www.thejournal.ie/irish-banned-in-pub-2971920-Sep2016/

According to the employee:

Another man from home was working with me, so every day I’d have a chat with him for maybe five minutes in Irish,” Ó Bruic told Raidio na Gaeltachta.
There were two or three others working there too who were very interested in the language, and we used to speak Irish together.
“One day, one of the owners came behind the bar and told us that we weren’t allowed to speak Irish. The following day, again, the owner told me I wasn’t allowed to speak Irish in his pub.

According to the employer:

This matter is certainly not about the Irish language,” the statement says, adding however that “while at work the most sensible and practical language to speak is English”.
In a statement to RnaG, pub owner Finbarr O’Shea said that there were certain clothes that people needed to wear while working in his pub – and similarly a certain language they needed to speak while working.
He said he wanted to keep English as the working language “because it’s a hospitality business”. He saw no difference between other languages and the languages of Ireland. “We’re all Europeans after all.”

dissed doc · 23-01-2017 08:17PM

Deleted User wrote: »

http://www.thejournal.ie/irish-banned-in-pub-2971920-Sep2016/

According to the employee:

According to the employer:

There is a difference, when the language being spoken is actually the native language of the country. I would think, stopping a barman in Amsterdam from speaking Dutch, even though 90% of customers might be speaking English, is fundamentally different to treating the native language as the same as other European languages. It isn't.

Uinseann_16 · 23-01-2017 08:24PM

Hardly a child at 16 - 17 they are military aged males they are men not children. under 15 is a child imo

23-01-2017 09:16PM

dissed doc wrote: »

There is a difference, when the language being spoken is actually the native language of the country. I would think, stopping a barman in Amsterdam from speaking Dutch, even though 90% of customers might be speaking English, is fundamentally different to treating the native language as the same as other European languages. It isn't.

Of course.

I just posted the link to prove that A: It wasn't about speaking Irish to customers, and B: I thought the owners statement was hilarious.

"It's not about the Irish language, but you're not allowed to speak Irish!"

I should have made that clearer. Apologies, I was in a hurry at the time.:o

Brian? · 23-01-2017 09:36PM

Uinseann_16 wrote: »

Hardly a child at 16 - 17 they are military aged males they are men not children. under 15 is a child imo

But not legally an adult until 18.

Child refugees -majority to be males aged 17???

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